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Is my Husband controlling/verbally abusive or am I just reading too much into things?

16 replies

Frog87 · 29/01/2020 22:35

Hey,
This may be a long one 😕
We have been together for 13 years & married for about half that. We have 2 young children together.
I have gone through phases of feeling like I should leave on & off since before we were married. I dont know if I am a self sabotager or whether his behaviour is not normal? Bear in mind we have always been jokey with each other & taken the p* sometimes.
Before we had children there were times when I thought is behaviour was not fair. I will list through the lot & try not to take things out of context:

  • Before kids, we were both in the local pub with friends. He had work the next day so wanted to come home. I wanted to stay. He told me I had to go with him & I wasnt staying on my own. When I challenged him that he stays on his own, why is it any different, he said "because it is".
  • I was driving him & his friend in his newish car, trying to reverse it out of the drive with the electric parking brake & the car kept sliding forwards. He was getting very irritable & was shouting at me what I needed to do, saying i was doing it wrong. He then said "Get out, I'll do it!", stormed round to my side, opened my door & told me to get out. His friend looked a bit shocked in the back. *More recently, summer last year. We were in the garden with his friend & the kids. One of the children was complaining their eyes were stinging. So I said maybe they had sunscreen in their eye. So i wiped it with a baby wipe. They still complained that it was hurting & started crying. My husband said/shouted "why did you put it so close to their eyes?". I said "I obviously didnt mean to, it must have just got rubbed in, I was careful". He just shouted at me for getting it in their eyes in front of his friend. Dragged my little one into the house & sprayed the shower hose in their face to get it out.
  • we were in the pub with his friend & the kids & were planning on going home fairly early. I had a bit too much to drink considering the kids were there & he said we needed to go home. I said "I don't want to go" he said " we're going!", I was like "let's just stay out for a bit" he shouted "the kids are tired, we weren't staying out late, we're going NOW!" I said "no", he then grabbed the pram rain cover & threw it at me & said " you stay with the kids then". Me & his friend thought, why couldn't he have just taken the kids home & I stayed out for a bit. Over the years he has said, whenever we get in an argument or bicker, that it is his house, his TV. If I ask if I can sit on the good bit of the sofa, he'll say no, it's his sofa. If I challenge that, he will say "no, you picked the chair, I picked the sofa". We always have to watch what he wants on TV. He puts me down about certain things that I say I want to do, saying I wont be able to do it. But then at other times he will build me up. He says he is happy for me to go out with friends but, fairly regularly it seems that he will start an argument before I go out. As he goes out every Friday, I said, well it's only fair if I go out every Saturday then He says "no, it's not gonna happen, so you can get that out of your head". I ask why, he says "coz we'd never see each other" I say " but you wouldn't be willing to give up your odd Friday for us to spend more time together?". Countless times he goes out on a fri, tells me he wont be late, then comes in after midnight. He will then sleep til midday the next day/be too hungover to do anything with me & the kids. He criticises a lot of the little things I do. Says "how would you manage without me/you're lucky to have me" in a jokey way sometimes. He loses his temper quickly with the kids. He has never laid a hand on them, but he regularly shouts at them & gets in their face. It really upsets me. I have recently told him this. He works full time, mainly from home. He can often tailor his day & will sometimes have a 2hr lunch break, the odd nap, go on his game & other days, work his arse off. He does most of the cooking & will clean the kitchen 50/50. He will do kids drop offs & pick ups when I'm at work. I work part time. I have the kids on my days off, do all the house work that I can fit in, walk the dog. Take the kids to classes, etc. I do feel sometimes like he's not bothered about the kids & the new things that they do. Sometimes in the heat of an argument he has said "well you wanted them!!". Sometimes when we talk through our arguments, he will say "I never said that/I dont think I have ever said that". He will say about certain friends, that he doesn't like them, or complain about my family. I dont usually complain about his unless he starts it off & then it is usually about trivial things! Its like he does things the right way & if they're not done like that, it's wrong. He controls the finances. We have a joint account, but he sorts what goes where & I am grateful for that, but he does always question what I've spent & what I've bought & tell me we cant afford things. But on a few occasions he has spent massive amounts on gadgets at the end of the month & it will be fine when he leaves us overdrawn but not fine for me. I do feel like there are a lot of double standards. He thinks he is entitled to more of a social life because he works full time & I have time through the week to socialise. I have tried to explain that it is not the same type of socialising when the kids are around (as much as I love them). We have both dealt with ill mental health over the past few years & helped each other through. I love him, he has been my best friend, but I dont know if I fancy him anymore. We have talked about things a lot lately. He finds it very hurtful if I say controlling. We are both trying very hard. I just wonder if it is going to change anything in the long term. Thanks for listening xx
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Merlinite · 29/01/2020 22:56

Stopped reading when I saw the bit about getting in the kids' faces. Zero excuses OP. He's controlling and verbally abusive and always will be. The next question is, How do you leave him and give yourself and your kids the life they deserve?

Justmuddlingalong · 29/01/2020 23:05

I agree. He's abusive, controlling and trying to isolate you. He will chip away at your self belief and confidence until you are an empty shell of your self. Your kids are learning about how relationships work. By staying together, you and your husband are giving them a skewed picture of what a good, solid and loving relationship looks like.

Frog87 · 30/01/2020 10:17

Thank you for your comments. Things do seem to have got better since our long talks about things, but the shouting at the kids is still there. I understand people lose their cool when they get stressed. But saying "you're annoying me" to a 4 yr old is a bit harsh I think. I dont know what to do. We have been together so long & I dont know what I'd do without him & I still love him. I have done crappy things to him too over the years & he has stuck by me. So confused.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 30/01/2020 10:42

Frog

What do you get out of this relationship now?. What did you learn about relationships when you were growing up?. Did your own father treat your mother like this?. Your own boundaries have been further eroded by your H now to get you to this low point you and your kids are currently at. Such men also DO NOT CHANGE. It suits your H to behave like this; his actions are about power and control and he wants absolute over you. This is what abuse is - its about power and control, not communication or a perceived lack of.

I think you have been thoroughly conditioned by him re his abuse of you; he has done a right number on you.

Make no mistake here; you are in an abusive relationship and the red flags re him were there prior to marriage too. Its not just you he is still affecting; its your children too now.

What do you want to teach your kids about relationships and what are they learning here from you two?. A whole shedload of damaging lessons, that is what. You cannot as their mother fully shield them from his abuse of you and in turn them either. They are learning here and are taking all this in for them to potentially repeat in their own adult relationships. This model of a relationship is not fit for purpose and should end.

You cannot use the sunken costs fallacy here (all this about we've been together so long and besides which how old were you when you met this person?) here and that is no reason to stay with him at all. You would be just fine without him, he has you conditioned into believing that you would not be. I also think you are very much codependent in relationships and you are also confusing "love" here with codependency. His needs are not more important than yours here.

Talking to him is a waste of time and he will use that against you as well to further manipulate you. You need to plan your exit from this marriage with due care and you need an exit plan and a good solicitor to divorce your abuser. Please call Womens Aid on 0808 2000 247 or your local domestic violence group. You need their help too.

Frog87 · 30/01/2020 22:17

Thank you! I just can't quite believe that you are all agreeing with me, which is actually scaring me a bit! Have I been this naive for this long? He is my first proper relationship & my first love. We got together when we were 19.
I feel like I dont know what life is like without him. I keep thinking, have I been just as bad (I dont shout like that, but occasionally i will critisise). He has been there for me through major depression, when i was sectioned, always coming to see me. He can be very loving at times & treat me well & we'll have a good laugh together. I feel like he doesn't realise what he's doing. I think his parents used to argue quite a bit, especially after a night out drinking. Him & his Dad would argue a lot & sometimes it would get physical.
My mum & dad have brought me up fairly well. However my mum would always try to hide my dads drinking. He would be overly nice & stupid when drunk, & stressed & tetchy when sober. He would snap at her a fair bit & she would take it (she probably didn't want us to see an argument).
I want to do what is right for the kids, but I know I would be financially f*ed if I left him & I worry that if I left him there would be no-one to shield them from his shouting/harshness when they are visiting him.
To make matters worse I also recently tried to kiss someone else (& some on off msging). I recently came clean. He has been surprisingly understanding about it. I regret it & know that was a shitty thing to do. I think I just wasnt sure about our future/wanted some closeness. What a mess!!! 🤦‍♀️
Can I just say, our children are seemingly confident, smiley outgoing kids despite all this.

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KellyHall · 31/01/2020 07:23

It sounds like you're in the wrong relationship. If you believe he's abusive but think he's taken your recent indiscretion well, he will more than likely be biding his time to throw it back at you.
Money really isn't everything in life. If you're happier with him, stay. If you'd be happier without him, split up.
It sounds like making an exit plan will help you mentally either way. Feeling less trapped can only ever be a good thing.

ByeByeMissAmericanPie · 31/01/2020 07:36

Your gut instinct must have propelled you into posting this. Listen to your gut. The relationship is wrong on so many levels. For you and the DCs.

Contact Women’s Aid, sign up to do The Freedom Programme online and go and see a solicitor. Knowledge is power, and you’ll be better equipped to make a decision.

sleepyhorse · 31/01/2020 11:51

“To make matters worse I also recently tried to kiss someone else (& some on off msging). I recently came clean. He has been surprisingly understanding about it. I regret it & know that was a shitty thing to do. I think I just wasnt sure about our future/wanted some closeness. What a mess!”

It could be he is being “surprisingly understanding” about this because he has done the same behind your back. And the other problem is he will use this against you in future arguments.

If a person makes you feel unappreciated and of no worth then it’s normal to have your head turned. Do not blame yourself here. It’s him who caused you to do this in the first place.

It sounds like it’s time to move on!

BarbedBloom · 31/01/2020 15:14

I grew up with an angry shouting father. It was emotional abuse. I would have preferred two homes where one was always calm and quiet to being in one home where I was waiting for his next explosion

Frog87 · 31/01/2020 22:50

Thank you everyone. I have my finances planned out the best I can & been looking at houses online. He says after my cheating that he will not run off & leave me & the kids without warning & no money & he will not go off & do the same, he is not like that! He says he doesn't want to argue anymore. He then bought me an expensive gift, which I have wanted for a while?? Is he realising he might lose me or what? After delving into all this shit, all I can do is analyse everything & think about our whole relationship under a microscope. The last time we had a big bust up was about 3wks ago when we were both drunk (seeing a theme here) & he brought up some hurtful stuff about when I was unwell. The next day, when i queried it he said i had said that i had the kids all on my own, like i deserved some badge of honour & he was horrified by that so flew off the handle. I dont remember saying that & not really like me, but then again we were both drunk??

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KellyHall · 31/01/2020 23:04

I understand your concerns about not being there to protect your dc from dh's outbursts if you split up. However, if you stay together and he doesn't stop acting this way, your dc are learning that it's ok to treat your partner that way and it's ok to be treated that way by a partner - their parent's relationship is their guide for their future relationships.

tinytemper66 · 31/01/2020 23:06

He isn't just controlling he is a knob!

TigerDater · 31/01/2020 23:13

Keep away from drink

KellyHall · 31/01/2020 23:24

The problem with a lot of abusive relationships is that if one person just keeps taking, taking, taking it without retaliation, eventually that person reaches their limit and will often react in a very extreme manner that is totally out of character. It's the final straw of self preservation.

Frog87 · 02/02/2020 20:13

I cant imagine it will ever get to the point of physical violence. When drunk he has intimidated me, got in my face & poked/nudged me in the chest & pulled my chin to make me look at him. But that was a while ago. Recently he hasn't been as bad.
Maybe because we have had lots of discussions about our relationship & being more equal & about shouting at the children. I dont know if I'm just analysing everything because I'm looking into it, but I do feel different towards him, like I cant trust him. At the moment, he has been buying me things & being the "perfect" husband, despite me betraying him recently. Is it because he loves me & thinks I am unsure so is scared of losing me, or is it a tactic? I just think, he has always been a w*er from time to time....is it just a blokey thing or something more? I know you guys are saying it's wrong, but then I think, you can never read things as they were said & things might have been taken out of context 🤦‍♀️ my mind is going round & round.

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KellyHall · 02/02/2020 23:45

I gave my dh an ultimatum eventually: stop shouting at dd and be the husband/father this family deserves or he had to move out.

It seems to have been the wake up call he needed. But, I do struggle to trust him to stick to it, it's like all the times he was horrible, he chipped away at my love for him. Sometimes I wonder whether I waited too long to tell him just how upsetting his behaviour was. Only time will tell.

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