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Gifting money awkwardness

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Healthkick · 20/01/2020 13:34

I’ve been saving to buy a house later this year and my mum has always said she would help with some of the deposit (£5,000). Obviously this is a massive help and I am grateful.

We do not have a close relationship however and she has been abusive and I’m pretty sure is narcissistic in some ways. I tolerated her and maintained a relationship. Over the last year I’ve decided to lower contact but still see her about 2-3 times a month.

She always talks about money, especially how much she has. She doesn’t work and is very wealthy and she has always said and boasted to many people that she would help with my house deposit.

The house deposit is £25,000 so her help is again very much appreciated.

Now it is time to give me the money she has started to stall and finally called me and said she’s having financial difficulty due to an unexpected bull but that she’s taken out a loan to pay my deposit.

I was shocked that this is the case as she often boasts that she is a millionaire (no joke). And said no that I didn’t want her to take debt out for me.

Now I feel awkward. She said it’s done and not to worry. Last time I seen her she got the loan documents out to show me her repayments etc. And every time I see her she brings up the loan.

I now feel awful taking the money as 1. She’s in debt. 2. Our relationship is nonexistent. But also I tried to cut contact when I was about 14 due to physical violence & police involved but she blackmailed me and said I’d lose out on all her help (financially). I didn’t live with her at this time.

As an aside she offers no help in terms of childcare or general life support.

Am I awful to accept this money when she’s in debt now? Or do I accept the money?

I almost see it as a way of manipulating me into being oh so thankful for this and to feel guilty for accepting. Which I am but she wants me to be that bit more thankful.

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Carpathian2 · 20/01/2020 13:47

Could you manage to save the money yourself and refuse her offer? It sounds like she's blackmailing you with this offer, and taking out a loan is just nuts. I would also doubt her claim that she's wealthy, has she always manipulated you with money?

Mistlewoeandwhine · 20/01/2020 13:48

She’s lying. She’s done it as a loan to make you pay it back.

Mistlewoeandwhine · 20/01/2020 13:49

She wants to make you feel guilty and also she doesn’t want to give the actual money. This way you are forced to repay it out of guilt. Tell her to stuff her gift. Don’t take it and run.

Pilot12 · 20/01/2020 13:52

Don't take it, let her cancel the loan and return the money or spend it on herself. If you except it she will hold it over you for years to come.

Gutterton · 20/01/2020 13:58

Well done for pausing to think this through.

100% don’t take the money.

This is total manipulation.

You will be beholden to her for years.

Don’t let her pollute your life.

Let her repay her loan in full.

Seeing her 2-3 times a month sounds far too much.

Can you find the other £5k?

Healthkick · 20/01/2020 14:06

I feel so sad because she is just SO manipulative but thinks she’s so clever that I would never see what she’s trying to do.

Having a child myself I just can’t imagine making her feel guilty like this. After something I promised her all her life.

Also even if I had fallen into hard times (which she hasn’t) I would never tell my child I’d taken a loan even if I felt I needed to.

She said she took it a she now as an unexpected bill, so technically the loan is for the bill not my house deposit. Also she said she doesn’t want to take it out of her savings as she won’t repay it back, hence taking the loan.

It makes me angry as I don’t want to take the money but I have counted on it to buy our house and therefore I am £5,000 short. I’d need to delay the house which would mean losing a house we love.

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Gutterton · 20/01/2020 14:24

Anger is great.
That’s exactly the right emotion for her behaviour.
Do anything and everything that you can not to take it.
Houses come up all the time - plenty more fish in the sea - but don’t get yourself in the jaws of this shark.

How would you feel if you did a bit of research and managed to override the need for her £5K?

Powerful ? Free? Proud?

Those feelings are gold dust and will last a life time.

Zenithbear · 20/01/2020 14:44

Don't under any circumstances accept the money.
See if you can extend your mortgage a year or save up a bit more.
You have a £20k deposit all by yourself keep going.

Whynosnowyet · 20/01/2020 14:48

Selling your soul to the devil is never wise...

Thingsdogetbetter · 20/01/2020 18:26

So she has savings, but is taking out a loan? A loan she will have to pay interest on?? That's just bizarre! The only logic to this is that it's to ramp up the guilt for you.

Extend mortgage, take out a loan yourself, lose the house (you'll love another one late without the strings attached)..... anything to avoid her hanging this over you for the rest of your life.

And go lower or no contact. 2-3 times a month is way too much for low contact. You take the money and she'll expect daily contact and the emotional manipulation will be out of this world. "I got myself in debt for you and you don't invite me over enough". Etc etc. God only knows what bollox she'll be telling her flying monkeys!

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/01/2020 20:16

I feel so sad because she is just SO manipulative

You'd feel a darned sight sadder if you allowed her to create this hold over you; quite simply you'd never hear the end of it

I’d need to delay the house which would mean losing a house we love

It's a shame about the house, but however special it seemed there's always another one. You only get one life, though, so why let her poison yours?

At least in your case you've had due warning of how things would be; a lot don't, so at least you can be thankful for that

Missarad · 20/01/2020 20:37

Lost the house their will be another and then u own it and not your mum been shifty etc. Then if u want to cut contact

pusspuss9 · 20/01/2020 20:46

I would take the loan and buy the house you like. You can pay her back over time as and when you can afford it.

Bluerussian · 20/01/2020 20:58

Do you have proof that your mother took out a loan? I would ask for the details. It does sound a bit fishy considering she has always said she'll give you money towards your deposit.

If you can possibly do without her help it would be best. At the same time I do feel you should know the truth about the loan. At the moment, banks are offering loans with very low interest rates and are quite good deals. A lot of people are taking them out because it makes sense to take advantage, they get little interest on their savings. Your mother might have done that but shouldn't have made it sound as though she had cash flow problems so took out the loan solely to help you.

BumbleBeee69 · 20/01/2020 20:59

I agree with everyone on here OP.. she's LYING ... Flowers

Healthkick · 20/01/2020 21:31

She did get her loan documents out to prove it to me even though I didn’t ask. So I know it is true. What’s annoying is why she’s even telling me. If I had done that I would keep it to myself as it is obviously going to make the other person feel bad.

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Apileofballyhoo · 20/01/2020 21:39

She wants to tell people how good and kind she is. Let her. Take the money and buy the house, then fo lower contact. You can't win with someone like this, so just take what you can.

Pay her back as soon as you can and make sure everyone and anyone who is important knows about it.

Otherwise, don't take the money and go no contact.

BumbleBeee69 · 21/01/2020 13:12

She'll be telling people she financed your house OP.. I wouldn't touch a penny of that money.. source your own loan.. asap. Flowers

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