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One sided emotional affair? How would you deal with this?

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confusedAF84 · 15/01/2020 20:34

Sorry, this might be long. Please be gentle, I'll try not to dripfeed. I've name changed as some details could be outing and I don't want anyone in RL to link it to my usual username.

To cut a long, messy story short, last year me and my husband went though some BAD times and I had some of the classic lines 'I love you but I'm not in love with you' 'I don't know what I want any more' 'I don't know how I feel' blah blah blah. Now having seen 'the script' on here a fair bit, I know the next step is usually discovering an OW. And in a way there was, except there kind of wasn't too.

He had to travel occasionally for work, he's friendly with many colleagues who also had to travel for the same work - there's male and female ones, they've never bothered me but for some reason this one woman in particular just got my senses tingling. (They didn't work at the same office and don't live near each other so it was literally just these occasional trips when he saw her). He's always been very open with his phone and stuff so I've seen messages between them (not just her, messages with other colleagues too) but never anything untoward.

When he gave me the whole speech about not knowing what he wanted any more, I was understandably devastated and immediately begged him to tell me if there was anyone else or if he'd had an affair. He immediately admitted that he'd developed 'feelings' for someone else but he'd never acted on it and never would, but it had made him realise that he wasn't happy in our relationship. For a while I was convinced he was lying and that something had happened, I'll be honest for a while I was completely obsessed, I made myself ill over it, checking her social media etc.

I found out from his internet history that he'd been repeatedly checking her social media, even old unused accounts from years ago (good old Myspace!). He'd also googled a few odd things like 'in love with a woman but I'm married'. He'd even somehow managed to find her address and had googled that a few times. Like, as in, I think she's be COMPLETELY creeped out if she knew. I think this is when I realised for sure that nothing had ever happened with them.

In the end, I just got completely pissed off with him fucking me about and not telling me what he wanted so I told him I couldn't put myself through it any more and that he should just move out. It was all very messy and complicated for a while but eventually he broke down and admitted he'd just had a complete mindfuck, he'd been depressed and it had made him feel numb towards everyone and it had made him feel like he didn't want to be married any more and he'd just formed some sort of odd emotional attachment towards her because she was a nice person and was easy to talk to. (I will add that all through this, she also had a partner). I do know he'd genuinely been depressed as I found google searches about depression and suicide. He said he'd realised losing me would be the worst thing to ever happen to him and he wanted us to fix it and be happy together again. So we did some counselling and a whole lot of talking, it was very messy and painful for a while but I am very gradually feeling like we are almost getting to be in a good place together again.

I'll just say at this point - I know there will be posters reading this who will be thinking 'something definitely did happen with her physically'. I know the usual script and how men generally don't want to leave unless they have somewhere else to go. I'm not naive or an idiot, although it might come across that way. But I absolutely do know 100% that nothing ever happened between them, that's not what I'm wanting to discuss/find out here. He reckons she never had a clue of his feelings (although I think he might be a bit naive thinking that - I feel like us women are quite good at sensing stuff like that!). She's a few years younger, very happy with her partner.

I'm not sure what I'm asking here. I just still feel so betrayed. Even though nothing physical happened, I feel like he betrayed me in his head. He thought he was in love with her, he obviously had thoughts/fantasies about leaving me and being with her. He fully admits this and says he was an idiot, he didn't even know her well enough to be in love with her and he was just an idiot with a stupid crush. Up until last year we weren't very good at talking about our feelings and about our mental health being shit and so he kept it all in and it just spiralled inside his head.

It's been months now and since then he's put so much into proving to me that it's me he wants. He is attentive, give me affection, compliments, and that's been consistent. He's got help for his mental health and he has changed things at work so that he doesn't have much contact with her (he is also looking for a new job). But there's not a day goes by that I don't think about it and wonder why his head was turned by her, I keep torturing myself wondering what it is about her that's so much better than me? How she's younger and has no kids so doesn't have a 'mum body' like mine Sad it's totally killed my self esteem.

What can I do, how can I begin to get past this? (What can HE do to help me get past it?). We do talk a lot more now and so I am honest and tell him when it's been on my mind and bothering me but a lot of the time I end up crying and I don't want to have to keep doing that. He says he can't believe what he nearly threw away over a stupid crush. But to me it was more than that, it was like an affair in his head. I often wonder what would have happened if she'd ever showed interest in him. He swears blind it was a stupid crush and he'd never have acted on anything, he loves me, he's devoted to me, etc. But I'll never know for sure, will I? And that's what they all say isn't it.

What can I do so that this does't torture me forever? I've even contemplated separating/divorcing him. But the fact is I love him, we have children, and up until this we had many happy years together and even now we are happy together (aside from this issue!). I would really appreciate any advice. Thank you

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confusedAF84 · 15/01/2020 20:36

Just to add - I found a thread on here about 'limerance' and a lot of it really jumped out at me. A lot of it was like reading about my husband and what he'd been doing (with the social media searches etc)

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Kittykat93 · 15/01/2020 20:39

Sorry op but if she would have tried it on with him he would have cheated I think. Looking up old social media accounts repeatedly and stuff is just odd and creepy.

I don't think I could move on from this but I guess it's up to you. I'd always feel like he wanted someone else.

123testing · 15/01/2020 20:52

Hi Kittykat, it sounds like your dh has a huge crush on someone and he's made a big deal about it in his head. This has happened to me and to a lot of people for various reasons. I'm extemely unhappy in my current relationship and I'm afraid I let my mind wander and started to live in fantasy land.
He might or might not have acted upon it. Who knows. The crush might just blow over. Perhaps wait it out.

OoohTheStatsDontLie · 15/01/2020 21:12

Unfortunately I think a lot of people will cheat in the right circumstances. Depression, job loss, death of a loved one, coupled with a bad patch in a relationship and if it happens when they meet someone who they are attracted to and get on with, it is like a perfect storm and fairly common. I'm not saying this makes it ok or you should forgive him, I'm just saying that things like depression or stressful events do make people selfish and they can behave out of character. It doesn't always mean they are awful people.

The positives I've taken from your post are, that firstly he told you he was having issues with you before anything happened with this lady. He wasn't doing what a lot of people (mostly men) do and actually seeing how it goes with the other woman before dumping their original partner. It shows some degree of integrity.

And also it sounds like your relationship is actually better than it was before. More communication, more honesty. If he is telling you how much he wants to be with you, I think you need to take this at face value.

I don't know how you get over it though. CBT? Maybe you can't and just have to decide on the less shit option - splitting up, or staying together and being reminded of it all the time. Maybe if you work on your self esteem by doing things for you and building up your activities and networks outside the marriage, it will make you feel less dependent on him for happiness. Maybe time will help.

confusedAF84 · 15/01/2020 21:13

Thanks for your comments. He said being totally honest, at the time he just had a massive 'blip' and he did think he had genuine feelings for her but he now realises it's just a crush. He said that just the thought of losing me pretty much killed the thing he had for her - he does say of course he does still think she's nice and everything but that it's not a weird obsession in his mind any more. I'm not an idiot, I'm sure he is still a little attracted to her and I don't think I'd believe him if he said he wasn't! That in itself doesn't bother me, I know you don't stop fancying other people just because you're married/in a relationship. It's the fact that he actually doubted our relationship - all those years together, kids, house the lot and he actually doubted what he had because of someone he barely knows.

But yeah, it's the question of would he have done anything if she'd shown an interest? I'm never going to know am I, so am I just over thinking it? He swears blind he never would have but of course I've been on here long enough to know that means nothing.

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confusedAF84 · 15/01/2020 21:19

@OoohTheStatsDontLie thank you. Yes, I've thought a lot about how depression can completely mess with your mind. And I know a lot of people play the depression card to get out of treating someone badly but I do know in his case it was genuine.

And you're right - he did talk to me about it rather than pursuing her. I agree that's a positive. We do communicate a hell of a lot better now! We were talking the other night and I said how 2019 had just been so awful and he said that, although he regrets a lot of it too, he does feel like one good thing to come out of it is that he feels like he knows me so much better and we communicate so much better now. And hes right.

Maybe it does just need time. Some days I feel ok and think she's irrelevant and it was literally just a blip in our relationship. Other times I feel like he was desperate to cheat on me and I can never forgive him. I'm an overthinker too, so i really do torture myself Sad

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Ohyesiam · 15/01/2020 21:23

I had an emotional affair, was totally mad with it, it felt like an addiction.

With hindsight I can see that it had very little to do with the object of my affection.
It also has little to do with my completely lovely husband, who I always knew was worth ten of the other man.
It was a very deep inability inme to make my life work. I felt very restricted by being a preschool mother, and deeply ashamed of myself on lots of levels. It was almost as if I could have fallen into a depression, but my mind/ psyche fell into an infatuation instead.

I know you feel it as a huge betrayal, and of course it is, but it’s not a reflection on you , in some ways not even a reflection of your marriage.

Somehow, because my husband is an incredible man and made a decision to put it behind us, we are still together.
It was 13 years ago and we are strong and happy.

I know it’s my situation and not yours, but these things can follow patterns, like “ the script” that you mentioned.

Could you get some support exploring the betrayal that you feel? If you could work on that , you could possibly save your marriage.

NotStayingIn · 15/01/2020 21:24

But possibly because he barely knows her is why it became such an intense passion. Almost everything he thought about her and about a relationship with her would have been a fantasy and therefor perfect.

I’m normally quite quick of the mark with the leave him replies, but in this case I’m not sure it is unforgivable. It was a crazy crush that spiralled out of control due to him being unhappy. Your marriage will need a lot of work but I would be tempted to say it’s worth trying to move on from it.

confusedAF84 · 15/01/2020 21:29

But possibly because he barely knows her is why it became such an intense passion. Almost everything he thought about her and about a relationship with her would have been a fantasy and therefor perfect

Yeah this is very true actually. This did kind of come up in one of our conversations, where I told him it's all very well having a bit of escapism from normal boring daily life, but it's not real life. He had some idea in his head of what life would be like if he left me and the kids and was with her but the fact is he just doesn't know her. They're at completely different stages of life. I know deep down it was just a bit of escapism, it just doesn't stop it hurting. I actually feel like I've been cheated on, as ridiculous as that sounds.

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Krazynights34 · 15/01/2020 21:30

I’ve experienced something a bit like this. However in my case OH denied the feelings and still does. He tried to throw me out of the house too!
I’m still with him (mostly because of DC difficulties).
I’ll never ever feel the same about him.
I still care about him but that true love, never again.
It’s so hard.
I feel for you.

confusedAF84 · 15/01/2020 21:34

@Ohyesiam thank you I really appreciate your reply, it's really good to get thoughts from someone who has been on the 'other side'. I'm guessing your husband felt similar to me and was very hurt. How did he/both of you deal with it and get past it? Does it still get brought up at all?

I'm currently having counselling to try and work on my self esteem and all this betrayal I feel. Even before any of this, I had a fair few mental health issues (anxiety etc) and should really have got he'll sooner so in a way I'm glad this has given me the push!

I think sometimes being on MN doesn't help (sorry, I love you all really!) because when you're a regular reader of this board it's hard not to think that all men are lying bastards who will cheat at the first opportunity Confused

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Ohyesiam · 15/01/2020 21:35

Yes to poster saying about not knowing her being pivotal. It’s all projection. the love object is like a psychological “ hook” that you can hang anything on. It’s like Disney for the discontented soul.

confusedAF84 · 15/01/2020 21:36

@Krazynights34 Sorry you've been through similar Sad I know what you mean about it changing your feelings. I can't even explain how or why mine have changed - I still love him very much, he's my person and he knows me better than anyone, we have been through so much together. But I can't quite look at him in the same way. It's sad.

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RedLorryYellowLorryRedLorry · 15/01/2020 21:40

It sounds more like stalking than an emotional affair! I don't think I could stay in a relationship if I found out my partner had behaved like that. I'm really sorry you've been through it, it must be so difficult. I wish I had the perfect advice for you.

Smellbellina · 15/01/2020 21:45

I think you need to be a bit forgiving tbh. And also look to reconcile your feelings about this yourself rather than make him responsible for them.
You both need counselling. Separately.

Ohyesiam · 15/01/2020 21:45

@confusedAF84
No, we didn’t talk about it much. We were brutally honest with each other, then he made the decision to forgive me and move on, and he did it in a typically strong silent masculine way. I did lots of therapy and sort of pieced myself back together. Knowing he was prepared to forgive such an awful thing has an amazing effect on me. I felt very seen and respected and of course loved, and it made me admire him hugely. We had some therapy together.

We used a communication tool called Daily Temperature Reading, which really helped with trust and intimacy. We had some therapy together. Look out up, it’s simple to do.

Slat3 · 15/01/2020 21:46

I’ve had strong feelings for a colleague (pretty sure he didn’t know - I hope!). It did feel like love at one point, I barely know him! Total fantasy. Like your DH, I was unhappy in general & was looking for escapism.
My DH doesn’t know, but I don’t see it as an affair, I didn’t do anything! But absolutely fantasised & felt an overwhelming attraction. It was v v difficult, so I chose to ignore him as much as possible until it went away.
It’s still there, a very small amount. He is bloody good looking, but it’s ridiculous & I’m aware of how pathetic it sounds. I’m a mum of young children & sometimes to think about something else exciting & passionate can make you feel more like your old self - does that make sense??
Such a hard situation & depression doesn’t help things. I don’t know what my DH would do if he knew, but I know if the shoe was on the other food I wouldn’t Be happy like yourself.
If your DH is with you, he wants to be with you & agree he sounds like he was honest & your relationship is better for it.

user1479305498 · 15/01/2020 23:54

Ive been in an identical situation OP, except I found out about 11 years after it happened. I only found out because he wrote a load of poems/songs about it and stuffed them in a drawer and I found by chance . He also sang them and recorded himself singing them and I listened to those too . I know he was in a poor place at the time mentally for all kinds of reasons, however he held it together perfectly OK in real life and like you I felt very let down, regardless of how sorry he was.in my case he had a lot of one on one time with this person too and lots of work trips away. A lot of texting was going on but he assures me it was in his head and one way. Not 100% sure if that's true, however I've not actually seen anything to assume it wasn't. All I can say is i found out 3 years ago and have stayed (long marriage) but although I care hugely, I struggle to ever feel quite the same. I would never have believed him capable of doing anything quite so shit .

confusedAF84 · 16/01/2020 12:50

It sounds more like stalking than an emotional affair

Yeah I know what you're saying here. I did say at the time of finding the google searches etc that I'd have been really freaked out if I was her!

I think you need to be a bit forgiving tbh. And also look to reconcile your feelings about this yourself rather than make him responsible for them.
You both need counselling. Separately

Thank you. I'm trying. And I know my low self esteem isn't all down to him, I know I can't rely on him to build me back up. It just feels pretty shit. I'm having counselling at the moment, although he's not currently.

@Slat3 thank you for your reply. It's always helpful to hear when someone else has been in a similar situation, on the other side of it. Did you have similar feelings of thinking about leaving your DH for him, etc? I do try to remind myself that it wasn't real feelings, just escapism, but it's very hard sometimes.

@user1479305498 I'm sorry to hear that. I think I've read your story before on another thread actually. That must have been horrible to find all that. It just makes you feel like absolute shit doesn't it. And yes, like you, I just cant look at him quite the same now. I'm worried I'll always feel that way.

Sadly I don't think things will ever be quite the same - it's just whether we can get past that. I hope so. I used to read all the stuff on here about cheating etc and thought things like that would never happen to me. I was completely confident that my husband was devoted to me and always would be. I was probably almost a little bit arrogant about it all, thinking that nothing would ever break/challenge us. So it's been a bit of a big reality check because it's made me realise you can never actually trust someone 100% and no relationship is unbreakable. I know he's not done anything physically, but I've lost that trust in our relationship, if that makes sense.

When I'm having a bad day and feeling particularly shit about it, I just keep coming back to 'Why did it happen? What was so wrong with me and our marriage that he was sat there pining for someone else?' Just keep agonising over why I wasn't good enough to keep his complete attention. And I know that really (when I'm thinking rationally), the issue wasn't me at all, it was with him. I'm gradually starting to realise that, and trying to build my self esteem back up (counselling is helping). But it does still hurt a lot.

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user1479305498 · 16/01/2020 14:03

I think many intelligent men actually get obsessions when they are feeling a bit down or that life’s a bit Groundhog Day and it comes out in unhealthy ways. There are always men who are chancers/flirts/players but I suspect like me you didn’t have one of those type of men and that’s what’s thrown you so Much- it did me. All I can say is you can live with it but you may find that it’s alwYs there at the back of your mind- it really wouldn’t bother some women so long as they weren’t out shagging, but it really bothered me, and still does although not as much because I’ve focussed far less on our relationship to some extent

Zaphodsotherhead · 16/01/2020 16:46

My XH did the same thing. He was failing a course he was taking for a new career and it was his first ever experience of failing and not being the most intelligent person in the room. He formed an attachment for a girl on the course.

When he confessed to me, he was already telling me he was leaving me. This woman was so wonderful, he wanted to be with her. It subsequently came out that, not only did she not return his feelings, she hadn't even been aware of them, so him declaring his love and his wish to live with her put her in shock. He was lucky he wasn't done for stalking her.

But he still left me. We talked and talked about what had happened, I thought we'd got back on track, but apparently him feeling so powerfully for another person told him that he didn't really love me any more. So just be prepared, OP, in case he's just trying to talk himself back into love with you. In my case it took six months from 'I'm sorry, I love you really, I've no idea what I was thinking' to 'I don't love you any more, I'm leaving.'

Slat3 · 16/01/2020 22:32

Did you have similar feelings of thinking about leaving your DH for him, etc? I do try to remind myself that it wasn't real feelings, just escapism, but it's very hard sometimes.

I didn’t necessarily feel that I would leave my DH because realistically I know in my head it would never work with colleague - nor would he want me. Plus, I have a life with DH & 2 children & there’s no way I would jeopardise that.
I did have feelings of cheating yes, brutally honest, but all in my head nothing was ever said or done bar some very minor flirting but myself & DH are flirty people anyway in general. I would talk to colleague (regarding work) & then he would take up a lot of my headspace for days afterwards. I would play music thinking of him & thinking about him when I was trying to sleep. Like a schoolgirl crush, not normal behaviour, I wasn’t thinking rationally.
I chose to completely ignore him, well as much as I can, & distance myself. When he was off e.g. annual leave I would barely think of him, but I did have difficult thoughts e.g. believing I could be in love with him. I loved the idea of some passion & excitement I guess. I don’t even know him!

I’m not saying I’m right but I do believe that sometimes people come in your life & do make you tempted, I’ve been with DH for 8 years & never wanted another man. It’s what you do with that, that counts, I think. I decided to try on work on my relationship with DH & ignore colleague. I do totally understand why your self esteem is low. You are hurt & it is hurtful.

Zaphodsotherhead · 17/01/2020 09:07

I wonder if it's got something to do with someone who's practically unknown appearing to be 'perfect', when the day to day becomes mundane and a bit much? It does seem to be men (and women) whom you would have thought would be far too intelligent to fall for the 'unattainable object of desire' thing, and who would be able to reason through their feelings. Yet they seem to be the ones who fall hardest for a mental image of a person that they have built up, and may not even tally with the actual person in real life.

Limerance, perhaps?

Grafittiqueen · 17/01/2020 18:02

I'm going through pretty much the exact same thing. Except the "OW" was miles away on the other side of the world so even more of a fantasy affair as they never even spoke in person, just online. She is married and I don't think reciprocated in any way and ended up blocking him as he was practically stalking her online.

I had the whole ilybnilwy etc.

I found out about her about a year ago. I've cried every day since. Just been to the GP and been put on anti depressants as it's totally consuming me.

Sometimes I wonder why I'm getting so upset about it as nothing physical happened. But he let an online relationship affect his feelings for me and the kids to the extent that he was thinking of leaving us.

I'm positive that if she'd been on board then it would have become physical and I'm not sure I can get over that.

He says he loves me, it was just a mid life crisis fantasy and he would have come to his senses before actually leaving us. In some ways I believe him, but I was one of those naive wives that thought he'd never have an affair and I was wrong, so not trusting my own feelings on this.

Alfiemoon1 · 17/01/2020 19:53

I’ve had the same situation except dh didn’t think he did anything wrong as nothing physical happened he stalked her on Facebook and hid and deleted their messages. It was one sided she wasn’t interested in him being anything more than a friend

To me it’s the lies and deceit that is upsetting I can be fine then something triggers me so I guess it’s always in the back of my mind. I wish I could just forget it all