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Is there a name for this

48 replies

Wasail · 07/01/2020 22:56

I’m divorcing H, one day in November I realised that I simply could not go on in the relationship, I’d had enough. I have been seeing a therapist since and she has helped me to see the coercion and financial abuse that I was unable to see while I was trying to stay married but I am still trying to work through my feelings and understand what has been going on.

One of the big problems in my marriage was communication, I have found it increasingly difficult and frustrating trying to talk to H. Today was a good example- I had asked him to get some information from a friend of his about something specific. I knew that he had spoken to his friend today so I asked him what the answer was? H then asked what the answer was to what? So I had to reiterate the question, H then gave me a completely different answer to an unrelated question. So I had to rephrase the question so that it was phrased in exactly the right way in order to get the answer I needed. Thing is H knew the question, he knew exactly what I wanted to know he just wouldn’t answer it until the question was correct.

This sort of conversation is typical of our relationship. It’s infuriating and has left me believing that I am a crap communicator because I struggle to construct the questions/ sentences in exactly the correct way so that they will be understood. It’s become a huge barrier because I’m stuck before I even start in a mental conflict over how to formulate my sentences. I thought it was me as I’m severely dyslexic so I know I have problems with words. I asked my (also very dyslexic) brother about it and how he copes and he said he has no such issue and everyone manages to understand him perfectly no matter how mangled he manages to make some sentences. Thinking about it everyone else does seem to manage to understand me, it is only H who seems to struggle.

So H has been deliberately making communication very, difficult. He has other tactics for when I do persist- filibustering, walking away while talking, insisting that certain conversations can only be had at the kitchen table face to face (not in the car or while walking for e.g). He also uses sort of “mike drop” type statements to which there is very little room for argument. I am trying to think of an example but I can’t right now.

Anyway I am trying to work out if there is a name for this type of behaviour? A friend suggested “stone walling” but it seems more, I don’t know, insidious than that?

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thesunhasgothishatontoday · 08/01/2020 00:49

@wasail I can't help with a name for the behaviour but I can tell you life will be infinitely better once you've split.
I am now in my 3rd week of life on the other side and loving it. Everything is simpler and I feel lighter. We're still on good terms for the kids etc. For the first time in years I'm excited about the future.
Good luck you can do this xx

RowenaMud · 08/01/2020 00:57

Wasail This happens to me too. I thought it was just my DH. Every conversation I start to his face and trail off watching his back disappear out the door.

When I ask him something, I’m told he needs to talk about it ‘another time’ and ‘now is not the time’. Then he switches on the tv!

I thought it was him but this thread has highlighted it is another controlling thing.

justilou1 · 08/01/2020 01:10

It’s gaslighting... the whole point of this behaviour is to make you feel stupid or to question if you’re going crazy. It’s a form of humiliation and coercive control. It’s cruel.

Ruderidinghood · 08/01/2020 01:20

He is an absolute dick. He is the hole of a dick.

Bet you can't wait to divorce him! I think you are playing it perfectly when you say "that's nice for you". You could have even more fun when he asks "don't you want to know what headmaster said?" You can say "No, it's ok I'll pass by the school tomorrow and have a chat myself" lol

I also think instead of getting him to ask his friends stuff try and do it yourself if you can (if you have their contact details).

PS I think you have articulated yourself beautifully in this thread OP.

WinterSunglasses · 08/01/2020 01:37

Wow, some of this sounds very familiar. Good that you've seen the light OP.

Sultanaofping · 08/01/2020 04:08

It's called being a cunt where I'm from OP, you're describing my stepdad to a tee and he is a total cunt! It's about power ime, the withholding information, refusing to answer unless you 'ask properly', it's the only (pathetic) way they can feel powerful. So glad you're leaving him, wish my DM had left hers years ago Flowers

Gingernaut · 08/01/2020 05:52

Evasion
Pedantry
Cuntishness

Wasail · 08/01/2020 06:45

There has been some gaslighting in the relationship, I always call him out on it. Irritatingly he has tried to turn it that I am then gaslighting him by conveniently forgetting things he has told me then denying the conversation has ever happened and making him feel like he is the one going mad not the other way round Hmm.
The other one I get is “it’s not all about you you know” while he is busy making it all about him...
It’s just so hard to counter these points in the heat of the moment when all you want is a quiet life.
Oh, I can’t wait to be rid.

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5LeafClover · 08/01/2020 07:08

The other one I get is “it’s not all about you you know” while he is busy making it all about him...

I used to get this one too. It's designed to be upsetting. Grey rock as much as you can. Write the incidents down. Don't expect him to be kind, fair or let you go easy. This is verbal/ emotional abuse. Do not have joint counseling with him. Ring women's aid.

NeverDropYourMoonCup · 08/01/2020 07:40

I'd describe it as being wilfully obtuse.

I definitely did with the ex, anyhow. Mainly because it drove him crazy that I wouldn't call him a fucking pedantic cunt to his face, as he'd have been able to use my swearing to support his assertions that I was unstable, aggressive and he was an absolute saint.

I became very adept at finding non sweary and accurate descriptions for his behaviour.

But yes, in plain English, he's being a cunt.

Jux · 08/01/2020 13:56

Spitefully obtuse.

One of the things you could do is give him a choice - are you being obtuse or are you just being nasty? Not if he's likely to hurt you though.

Grey rock is a brilliant tool, probably the best.

Ruderidinghood · 08/01/2020 15:42

Next time he says "it's not all about you" just say "oh my days I thought it was always about me, I need to go away and digest this as this is new information to process" then walk out of the room all shocked and horrified.

Loveabitofrain · 08/01/2020 16:05

I’ve just looked up grey rock; love it!

ChiaraRimini · 08/01/2020 16:25

Mind games is a good description I think.
It's very childish and bullying behaviour.

Wasail · 08/01/2020 17:02

I have also only just looked up Grey Rock, that is going to be a useful tool in the coming months.

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damnthatanxiety · 08/01/2020 17:14

It's a form of gaslighting. Making out that you are the one who has the problem. Making it seem like you are the one with difficulty communicating properly. Making out that you are being aggressive when he is. Clear cut gaslighting.

hellsbellsmelons · 08/01/2020 17:21

It's called being a belligerent cunt!
But others have said similar and it is also a form of gaslighting.
Well done on getting out OP!
Have you had any support from Womens Aid?

When explaining to people just tell them that is abusive in many ways.
Emotionally, financially, verbally.
Tell them he abuses you with gaslighting and is also very controlling.
That should shut them up!

You are so ready to get out of this.
Stay strong OP - you've got this!

Wasail · 08/01/2020 17:33

It’s very hard to confront quite how much I have put up with over the years. It’s been so insidious that I have just brushed it off, thinking I just had to grow thicker skin. I have always thought of myself as a woman who would not tolerate abuse, turns out it can happen to me just like any other woman and I didn’t even see it happening Sad

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Ohyesiam · 08/01/2020 17:48

It’s a form of gas lighting, and a firm of emotional abuse.

Your life is going to soar when you are rid of this belligerent twat. Much power to you.

5LeafClover · 08/01/2020 17:55

Flowers Me either. Its a very difficult thing to accept and deal with.

Summery1 · 08/01/2020 18:05

I 'grey rock' my brother. It's a very handy tool against overbearing domineering people.

ohwheniknow · 08/01/2020 18:16

It's just garden variety coercive control. Covers all his bullshit.

Have you done the Freedom Programme course yet? Www.freedomprogramme.co.uk

Wasail · 08/01/2020 19:06

I haven’t used women’s aid and though I have looked at the freedom program it didn’t really chime with how I felt my situation was. I don’t feel like the victim of abuse I feel pissed off with myself (and more passed off with him) for letting it go on for so long. Compared to some of the stories I read on here my situation seems to pale into insignificance. A minor irritant considering how bad I am aware some women’s (and some men’s ) situation are.

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