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Jealousy and Resentment

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TryingHardAtLife · 02/01/2020 12:48

I’ve been married to a wonderful man for nearly 25 years. We have children together.

He seemed distracted 8 years ago - on holiday and after work. He was very busy setting up a new business. I helped a lot too and thought we had it sorted.
We’ve always been open with phones and stuff and one night I got up and I checked his phone and sure enough there were messages to a workmate about meeting up for coffee. It had obviously been regular. And there were xxx at the end of the texts. I felt like my world was ending as he’d always been at pains to seem loving and completely faithful.
He’d also been keen to tell me that he was far too busy for any kind of gossipy info when we each discussed our days when we got back from work, when in fact he’d actually been out over lunchtimes with this woman on the pretext of giving her advice away from the office. He eventually told me that they had texted so much the previous year he realised it was wrong and said they must stop doing it as much.
It broke my heart. I couldn’t believe he could be so devious. And had lied to me. He let me see some of the exchanges which were painful to read but there were no protestations of love.
We went for couples counselling and It was very helpful.

He basically had an emotional affair - not physical- for about 18 months until I found out. A work wife. Someone he knew he had a relationship with he couldn’t tell me about. Disloyal.
We had a lot of ‘jealous sex’ at the time. We both tried very hard to make it better, although initially I said I couldn’t carry on with our relationship. I felt humiliated knowing that people at his work would have been gossiping. An ‘everyone knows but her’ scenario. He apologised profusely. He says it’s the worst thing he ever did. He says he would never do it again.
So over the years we have continued to develop a deep and intense marriage. He has over the years become very successful. He knows I am insecure. I look after myself. I work hard and try to be the best wife. He takes care over helping me to feel reassured. On the outside we have a perfect marriage.
But, stupidly, It doesn’t help that he is a nice person and people are drawn to him. He is also, as I say, very successful. My counsellor said that certain women try to climb the ‘greasy pole’ to success and she’s absolutely right about that.
One in particular that we sometimes meet socially touches his arm and flicks her hair at him and talks very intensely into his face. I can’t bear it and it gives me an upset stomach. He has only just realised that, in front of me, she deliberately makes out she knows him well and that she is one of many who flirt with him. They are work colleagues and she and he have a common interest. He has no real idea that that is happening.
But it all goes back to years ago and that horror and shock of seeing the first texts and knowing that this emotional relationship carried on behind my back. I’m still resentful. Still jealous. Still watch for unusual signs.
I sometimes feel I am going mad. It’s years ago and I still feel as in pain now as I did then. Less intense but still on edge.
Can anyone out there relate? Does anyone have any advice as to how I can put it behind me once and for all? I’ve read mindfulness books and tried self hypnosis. It’s like I am punishing myself - but I am still, deep down, angry with him.
I’ve not posted before so I’m not sure what to expect.
Thank you for reading. Sorry it’s so long.

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OneDay10 · 02/01/2020 13:07

Sorry that you have been through this. How devastating. In some ways emotional affairs are so much worse, as you bond with that person. The thing is he carried this on for 18months. That's a very , very long time. A long time of being two faced and abusing your trust. It takes a special type of person to carry that level of deception. And he was willing to make you out a fool while doing so. You only found out because you caught him. How do you know it wasn't physical as well. I can't imagine something going on for so long without a physical element to it.

Why are you punishing and torturing yourself by being with him. Its cost you your peace of mind. Maybe consider freeing yourself of him and what he has done.

TryingHardAtLife · 02/01/2020 13:28

@OneDay10. Thank you for your reply. I know it wasn’t physical. I know him too well. That sounds ridiculous given what happened but he wasn’t having sex with her.
It has cost me my peace of mind. You are right. My counsellor said it was only coffee and not sex and having talked it through for weeks that I should let it go. It’s so long ago.

We get on so well 99% of the time. We do love each other. I don’t want to lose my marriage over it. I just need somehow to find that peace of mind that is still eluding me. There must be something.

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SophieSong · 02/01/2020 13:41

He let me see some of the exchanges which were painful to read but there were no protestations of love. - This popped out to me. Why was he in control of which messages you saw?

You say lots of women flirt with him and he has no idea it's happening? Do you honestly truly believe that? This one woman in particular - do you really believe that your husband, a man of experience, a businessman and someone who has already had an emotional affair is not able to spot inappropriate flirting?

I'm sorry, but even if women like to flirt with him there are plenty of ways he could have built a work culture where that is absolutely unacceptable - especially in front of you. But he has not.

The reason this is all still on your mind is that he is still not trustworthy and in your gut you know it which is why you are still anxious, insecure and thinking on it.

Aquamarine1029 · 02/01/2020 13:48

The bottom line is that you don't trust him. How can you be married to a man you can't trust?

TryingHardAtLife · 02/01/2020 13:52

@SophieSong. Thank you for your reply.
The messages we read together were ones still on the computer that hadn’t been deleted over time. There was nothing about any physical stuff. Just stuff about life from him and over friendly stuff from her. She offered to meet me to put my mind at rest that it meant nothing. But it did mean something. She was trying to climb up and he was sharing stuff with her he should have been sharing with me. So I feel that I am partly to blame. Busy with children and stuff? I don’t know because we were always sharing. Except for this.
The woman flirting with him I mentioned- I got up and moved away. I watched them and he physically moved away from her in his chair. He felt uncomfortable but wasnt able to do anything about it except excuse himself to the loo after seeing my face.

I think he doesn’t have the work boundaries I would like - I’m pretty certain he doesn’t flirt back- but then I feel controlling. I can’t win.

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TryingHardAtLife · 02/01/2020 13:59

@Aquamarine1029 thank you for your reply.
I do trust him - he hurt me so much I don’t think he would ever do it again. We get on so well and we are happy. It’s just I have this underlying grief of what was the death of the relationship during that time.
What I can’t seem to do is move on from the shock and hurt it caused me. I don’t know if I am overreacting. I can’t understand why I am still so upset. It was a betrayal but it’s so long ago. Why can’t I leave it?

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hellsbellsmelons · 02/01/2020 13:59

This is affecting you and your mental health.
Do you really want this for the rest of your life?
Because, as they say....
Trust takes years to build,
Seconds to break,
And forever to repair.
You don't have to get over this.
Many many women (and men) can't get over affairs. Whether they are physical or emotional.
You may be one of those people.
This will keep niggling away at you until you break free.

Your counsellor is wrong.
It was NOT just coffee - FFS.
Find another counsellor.
It was 18 months of sneaking around with her and messaging leading to an emotional affair.

Your counsellor should recognise that. The fact she/he doesn't, means she's crap! Drop her/him and find another one.

Do you have DC together?
Do you know what separation would look like for you?
Because another 10, 20, 30 years of this will cause you a breakdown eventually.
You and your mental wellbeing is far more important than staying. For what exactly????? More of the same - feeling like this!?

Another thing you can do is to talk to him about how you feel.
Have look at the book - Not Just Friends by Shirley Glass - read it together!!!!

TryingHardAtLife · 02/01/2020 14:42

@hellsbellsmelons thank you for your reply- I’ve just bought Not Just Friends on your recommendation.
I don’t want to break free. I want to have a loving relationship with my DH. He’d be amazed I think, if he knew how upset I still am. We do talk about it but I feel I should be over it by now.
Yes we have two DC together.
I feel I’m getting somewhere (like being together over Christmas and him not being at work) and then something else crops up. Like the flirty woman last week. That then reinforces my horror of last time.
We both have iPads and his is always left at home. I’m sure if there was anything else to worry about, he wouldn’t leave it behind.
Perhaps I should show him this thread.....?

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baileys6904 · 02/01/2020 14:48

To be honest this is the wrong place for you to post. People will have you thinking that he's participated in multiple ordies and throws darts at your picture, before you know it.
It doesn't matter what everyone thinks or will accept, it's up to you and what behaviour you will accept. Itsounds like he's trying to make amends and you're just struggling still. That'd OK. It's your feelings and you to dictate time line. If you trust him though, perhaps you an work on trustigg yourself. He comes home to you. He stayed on the right side of a physical affair because of you. He's not interested in hair swisher, he wants you. Are you happy in your life or do you have any Un reached milestones you want to achieve, or have anything you thing you want to do for you, not anyone else. Put yourself first and value yourself
Good luck lovely

hellsbellsmelons · 02/01/2020 14:56

You will lose your 'safe space' forever if you show him this thread.
but I feel I should be over it by now
Who says so?
There is no time limit.
Putting this pressure on yourself will make it worse and not better.
Some people never 'just get over' it.
Stop pressuring yourself.
Take your time.
Work through it together.
You'll get there.

TryingHardAtLife · 02/01/2020 14:59

@baileys6904 thank you for your message. It gives me some hope that maybe I am right at trying to keep it all going.
I do need to keep explaining to him what I find difficult. I am very lucky with my life and I don’t want to break it all up.
Can you suggest where else would be a good place I could post?
Thank you.

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Cambionome · 02/01/2020 15:21

OP - you say "we are happy" and yet yours is one of the unhappiest posts I have read on here for a long time. I'm not trying to be unkind, but you sound desperately sad.

Maybe it would help to concentrate a bit more on yourself; build up your own career, friendships, hobbies... you sound absolutely obsessed with what your dh is doing or not doing and I'm not sure that's really healthy.

Look after yourself. Flowers

mamato3lads · 02/01/2020 16:45

OP
You cant get over this because it's not something you SHOULD get over. It was a horrendous breach of trust....for SO long! How can you trust him again? Hes shown you what hes capable of.

Those feelings you have....they will probably always be there in some form. That's the price of betrayal - it's just a shame its the wrong person suffering

You clearly value your marriage and want to stay, so stay...but be aware those feelings you have, that's your gut telling you he cant be bloody trusted.

TryingHardAtLife · 03/01/2020 09:05

@Cambionome thank you for your reply. Sound advice and yes I am in the process of starting up something new.
I do have friends but none I ever told about the affair. It was too raw. I didn’t want to spoil anyone’s opinion of either him or the state of our supposedly wonderful marriage. Which it is apart from my hanging on to this fear. .

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TryingHardAtLife · 03/01/2020 09:11

@mamato3lads. Thank you for your reply. I think you are probably right. And it’s spoilt life to some degree. I never feel quite safe but he tries hard to make me feel safe so it’s a circle. It’s not fair on him either not to feel trusted, I guess. He knows me so well that he knows I have wobbles.
I value my marriage and family. I havent come this far to give up now. I am actually amazed by the responses I’ve had as I thought everyone would say fgs crack on and get on with it. Put it behind you. But in fact the opposite has happened and I’ve had immense support. Which in Itself has kinda made things worse as I now feel more justified in being on edge. Hey ho.

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Cambionome · 03/01/2020 21:48

I think that concentrating on yourself and building up your own support networks will be very helpful for you whatever happens with your marriage in the future.

You sound like an intelligent, thoughtful person; you will grow and thrive with or without your dh. Flowers

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