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Partner Vs Ex

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Conflict · 29/12/2019 09:03

Apologies for the length first off! I've been with my current partner for coming up to 3 years now. I have 2 young kids, 10 and under. He has 3 older kids, 19 and under.

When me and my ex split, he moved away. Abroad in fact. Our relationship had been dead for many years, and so while he was gone, I moved on and started dating. He caught wind of this and returned home as soon as he could and went on to make my life a living hell. Harassed me, suicide threats, slander all over his social media etc - police were involved. During this time I was newly with my current partner and the strain of all of this was a lot to deal with, my dad also died, but we got through it and it eventually died down. My kids dad didn't see them for a year, I think he thought that it would force me into breaking up with my partner. When he realised that wasn't working, he started seeing them again. My eldest child was delighted, she had suffered a lot during this time and acted out in many different ways.

He starts seeing them again, he seems a lot calmer, he has stopped mentioning my partner and has even started dating himself and is currently in a serious relationship. I'm happy for him. My partner however, is not. And hates the man, the rage distorts his face whenever he is mentioned. He hates him for what he did to me/us during a really tough time in my life. Me however - am now indifferent to my ex. I can talk to him regarding childcare civilly, because honestly I've had enough drama to last a life time. I can be fluid with childcare arrangements because we have no court order, and there is no reason not to be flexible as long as it isn't causing a huge issue for my household and it often is my to benefit if something crops up. My partner doesn't seem to understand this, because his ex didn't operate this way at all.

Every time I say "ex is having the kids on x day this week" he will twist his face and there'll be a reason this doesn't work for anyone but ex. If I say "ex had the kids Christmas morning so I'm having new year", he'll again twist his face and make out like that only suits ex. He says I'm subsidient to ex, I say I'm indifferent and that it actually takes a huge amount of strength and control to be able to communicate with a man who I had to sit and watch break my kids hearts telling them he was leaving and then try and ruin me. Everything is an issue when it comes to my ex for him. I appreciate they hate each other for their own reasons but my stress levels are through the roof trying to keep everything civil with my ex for the sake of my kids, and trying to deal with my partners reactions to him.

The joke is I spent a year supporting him through mediation with his ex, her very rigid demands for access which hugely impacted our lives at home and work, because he knew that she was trying turn them against him any way she could and so when she said jump he flew.

How do I make it clear that whilst I don't forget, I do forgive my ex, because holding onto that hate only hurts me and my kids. I can't do this every week, I can't be scared to let him know what days my ex is having them as per his work rotas because I know be will find an issue with it. He wants it to always benefit us, actively encourages me to not accept days when he is in work and I'm off work because then that doesn't benefit us both. It's not just about us is the message he won't accept.

If I'm wrong for being civil with my ex, if I'm wrong for being understanding that my ex has 2 jobs and being relaxed with the days each week, if I'm wrong not forcing him to have set days via mediation just because that's what my partner has to do then I'm fully prepared to hear that. I'm quickly losing sight of what is and isn't normal or acceptable here trying to keep everyone happy but myself it seems.

Thanks if you've made it this far and can muster up the energy to reply!

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Techway · 29/12/2019 10:33

Cross post with your updates. I think your partner wants drama and conflict and doesn't let go. He needs to be in power struggles.

Did he have a high conflict childhood?

Conflict · 29/12/2019 10:36

@techway I did pitch that this morning - my kids are young and we have many more years of him being in their lives, and if he considers me to be such a wet wipe then he needs to leave. The situation is obviously making him very unhappy and I'm tired of making up to fall apart again.

Instead of continuing to feel increasingly bitter about it all, I feel he should be saying "I know this man put you and the kids through hell and I'm proud of you for putting your feelings aside for their sake", not painting me as a villain for not making this play out as he wants it to.

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Conflict · 29/12/2019 10:37

@Techway unfortunately very, yes. Sad

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Gutterton · 29/12/2019 10:46

It was a very toxic relationship from what I understand, high drama. He used to say he loved the calmness of me, now he seems to miss the conflict. I've accused him of missing it before because nothing can ever just be plain sailing. He of course scoffed at that.

Oh dear it’s him. He won’t change. He will repeat this is your home on your DCs. Don’t let him do that.

Your username says it all.

RLEOM · 29/12/2019 10:59

I think your partner has been so used to you having a negative attitude towards your ex, he can't handle the change and that you're now amicable. He probably sees it as a threat, too.

Maybe your partner will adjust? But I don't think it's healthy for your children if they see your partner act this way over their dad.

Techway · 29/12/2019 11:00

@Conflict, unfortunately I think your partner may not be capable of change. Conflict resolution skills come from seeing good role models in childhood and I don't think they can be learned later in life as Ex had years of counselling. His brain is hard wired to overreact to threats and he has a pattern of thinking which is "control or be controlled".

It is alien thinking to me but I was fortunate to have more loving parents.

If you want to understand more I would recommend "the verbally abusive relationship" by Patricia Evans as she explains how the power struggle develop in childhood.

A counsellor explained to me that Ex's thinking/behaviour is like a rubber band, he could stretch so that at times his behaviour was tolerable (and I thought we had a breakthrough) but mostly he has to snap back into his original shape. This is who he is, how he is with his Ex is a exactly how he will be to you.

Conflict · 29/12/2019 11:33

Well that went down like a lead balloon.

I've never made the correlation before between his childhood, marriage, and us. I've just asked whether he considers there to be a link between that and his persistent need for conflict, and he's now slamming around the house asking who I think I am. Again ranting and raving that everything re access arrangements are to benefit my ex, and he never gets any down time. He was out for the whole day yesterday with friends, my kids being here or not never affects him, it's me who never gets down time. It was fine when his own sons access ate up his only days off each week, but god forbid the children who's home it was long before his be here on his days off. I didn't split up with my ex to futureproof his social life.

He is never going to accept this is he. Have told him there's just no point anymore, he thinks so little of me and my kids and far too highly of himself. Fuck sake.

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RandomMess · 29/12/2019 11:38

Well that sounds like the final nail in the coffin he resents your DC, you and your ex...

Gutterton · 29/12/2019 12:15

I am so sorry - only silver lining is that your DCs will not be wrecked by him.

Conflict · 29/12/2019 12:55

The kids absolutely adore him. He was there with open arms when their own dad wasn't and they really bonded through that. Especially my little boy. He's helped me through and supported me through some of the hardest times in my life, and now my calm has become my storm. Now he's asking when we are going shopping for the fucking Goose for new years dinner.

Feel like I'm in a bloody dream to be honest. He will sulk for a few hours and then grab my hand as I walk past and try and hug me as he always does. I just don't want him to this time. I need him to either stop treating everyone like they're the enemy or leave, not sure what I want more right now.

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bionicnemonic · 29/12/2019 13:02

Perhaps he feels displaced? His role was mediator. Helping support you. If you no longer need that support what and where does that leave him?

Techway · 29/12/2019 13:37

It is easy to be lovely when everything is going your way and you are getting adoration (especially from young children) for it. Also no one is all bad and I am sure he has his good points but what you have to weigh up is does he handle your Ex partner well enough for you to have a peaceful life? If he drains your energy then you will have less to offer your children.

You are now out of the honeymoon period (my experience it lasts for 2 years) so both of you are real to each other. He might be able to change as
Gutterton's husband did but what is against that is he has already lost one marriage (same as my Ex H) and suggests he doesn't find ways through conflict. This is why 2nd marriages fail at a higher rate.

Does he show vulnerability? Is he able to reflect on his behaviour, genuinely apologise and reinstate the connection after a disagreement?

Sulking and then getting affection from you isn't a very healthy way to move forward as he isn't showing empathy for your feelings and the issue isn't resolved.

I think you are at the awareness stage, read up on defensive behaviours and see if you can encourage him to help himself. It has to be his choice and many people are not prepared to do the inner work to change. Ex H couldn't reconcile his bad behaviour with his image of himself as a nice guy so it was easier to blame me or others

MakeItRain · 29/12/2019 13:42

Don't let your DP ignore the issues here. Like you say this is your calm place and it's so important for you and your children to have a calm home.

I came on to say I completely understand having to bend a little to keep the peace. I think when you've been through such terrible conflict and difficulty then finding a path that works, even if it involves a bit of compromise, is something very unexpected and well worth having. As in your case, my current arrangements involve compromise and flexibility (on my part) but the calm and the positive impact my children (and me) is worth it.

Sounds like your DP liked being your "rescuer" but doesn't like it so much when you're managing on your own. I would be thinking hard about where to go from here. Don't let anyone trample on your hard won peace.

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