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What shall I do now? Ex kicking her boyfriend out.

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malgrat78 · 19/12/2019 14:09

Many of you may know that I have had an ongoing situation regarding the welfare of my 12 year old son when he was living with his mum & her boyfriend who was / is on methadone. A few developments have happened since my last update & I could do with some more advice please. Her boyfriend was admitted to hospital last week with breathing problems. I have been reliably informed that it was as a result of smoking crack cocaine. His mum has not seen my son for 3 weeks due to various excuses & I allowed him to visit her for 2 hours on Tuesday. All she did when he was there was ask him if he would want to go back if she told her boyfriend to leave. She also said to him that he has had 8 months to tell her that he wanted her boyfriend to go but he didn’t. I found this to be an extremely unsuitable thing for her to say to him. My son has been living with me full time now for approx. 3 months & she is still claiming Child benefit & she recently blocked a claim I had put in. As I have said in a previous post, I do not need the money & it isn’t about that. It is the fact that the money is supposed to be for my son & she is taking it away from him & committing fraud. I think she has also informed the council that my son stays with her on a weekend so that she is entitled to a 2 bed house.

I spoke to his older sister last night who is in her mid 20’s & lives elsewhere. She confirmed that her mum is badly in debt & smokes cannabis daily. He mum is borrowing money from extended family & it appears that she is using food banks. I can only assume that any money she has is going on drugs. I explained to his sister that her brother is best off living with me for his own mental & emotional health & she agreed. My son doesn’t like going to his mums & he will only go if the weather is fine & he can play outside with his mates.

I have now been told that his mum is about to kick her boyfriend out today which obviously is good but I now am worried that she is going to think everything is fine & she will try her hardest to get my son to want to go back. His sister has said that she is going to help her mum build back a relationship with my son. I said that while this sounds positive it isn’t just as easy as that. In my opinion even if this guy is chucked out my son is still best of living with me until she gets some professional help with her mental health & financial issues. My son has said to her that he still doesn’t want to live there even if she did get this guy to leave. The reason for this is because she has lied to him over some horrendous things & she manipulates him. She has been known to regularly take amphetamines on a Friday when my son was staying with me but the comedown off of them would last until Tuesday / Wednesday. During this time she would act like a different person, stay up late, play loud music etc & my son started to notice her odd behaviour. She obviously denied anything was happening to my son & I when I questioned her. The amphetamine taking appeared to stop however maybe I just didn’t witness it or maybe she had switched to something harder with her boyfriend. What is for sure is that she often self-medicates for her poor mental health.

Also, I cannot see this guy leaving quietly. He has already shown that he is controlling & manipulative. I am still thinking of seeing a solicitor to see what they say. As I say it is fantastic that she is getting this guy to leave but its only the tip of the iceberg. I truly believe if I was still financially supporting her & I was allowing my son to be there she wouldn’t be chucking this guy out. I think she’s hit rock bottom & realised the mess she has got herself into, but I don’t want my son to be part of any more of it. I have told his sister to tell her mum that under no circumstances do I want my sons mum to tell my son about her kicking this guy out until things have calmed down. My ex is under the impression that by kicking him out everything is going to be hunky-dory again.

I just don’t want my son to have this added pressure. If he knows that his mum has kicked this guy out, he may feel like he should give his mum a chance & start to stay there. Do I just stay strong & firm & say nothing is changing until she proves she is free of this guy & is getting help for her mental health & financial situation? Plus as I said earlier. This guy cannot be trusted & I cannot see him just staying away from her house & I cant have my son there when there is a possibility of him going around kicking off. I told his sister that it might be a good idea to ask advice from the police.

Any advice please?

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marchingonwithmother · 19/12/2019 14:20

I wouldn't be allowing my kid into a house where people are using drugs. You are responsible for making sure he's safe so be firm

millymollymoomoo · 19/12/2019 14:24

You need to protect your son, get a residency order if you haven’t already and only contact with mum supervised at your house

You are the emotional stability your son needs at the moment

wherearemymarbles · 19/12/2019 14:26

I would look at the legal route just to see what options lie there incase its needed.

I’d stay firm - her interest in your son is a much financial as anything else and the boyfriend is an unknown risk.

PersephoneandHades · 19/12/2019 14:36

You should seek legal help, it is the only way to ensure your son is put as priority.

However, if you live in the UK, isn't it considered that once a child turns sixteen they can choose who they want to live with? And he can tell social services that he only wants to live with you? I know this may not be something you or him want to do as you want him left out of it, but if it means avoiding him having to be in an unstable house with a drug user perhaps the benefits outweigh the cons?

Just another option to think about

Winterdaysarehere · 19/12/2019 14:39

Please keep your ds away from her drama.
Until a judge deems her fit for unsupervised contact maybe face time would be more appropriate for now?

malgrat78 · 19/12/2019 14:41

@marchingonwithmother

I wouldn't be allowing my kid into a house where people are using drugs. You are responsible for making sure he's safe so be firm

Yes I agree. However, I know what is mother is like & she will deny any drug use & if her boyfriend is not there then she will basically claim that there is nothing going on.

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malgrat78 · 19/12/2019 14:50

@millymollymoomoo

You need to protect your son, get a residency order if you haven’t already and only contact with mum supervised at your house

There is no residency order. I think I have to offer mediation before I can take this to court. However, I think in certain circumstances mediation can be waived?

You are the emotional stability your son needs at the moment

Yes & he has suffered enough.

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yesterdaystotalsteps123 · 19/12/2019 15:02

By the sound of it you need to go down the court route and go low contact/email only with his mum. Cafcass will do background checks on you both, interview you both and prepare a report for court. If necessary they will interview your son. Take several steps back from her. Stop questioning her about her lifestyle choices and speculating (there is a lot of I think/I believe sentences). Just go down the legal route now and the court will decide what is best for your son. Good luck

ItStartedWithAKiss241 · 19/12/2019 15:03

Can you file for residency under “allegations of harm” as it’s a safeguarding risk to have drugs around your son?
That would skip mediation? X

lisag1969 · 19/12/2019 15:06

Even if she sorts herself out. Do not under any circumstances let him live there. She will mess with his head and her behaviour will always be erratic. She has and addictive personality, and will manipulate him into feeling sorry for her too. Seek legal advice. Maybe allow supervised access but definitely no living there. It is not fair on you your son.
He needs a stable upbringing.

malgrat78 · 19/12/2019 15:16

@lisag1969

Even if she sorts herself out. Do not under any circumstances let him live there. She will mess with his head and her behaviour will always be erratic. She has and addictive personality, and will manipulate him into feeling sorry for her too. Seek legal advice. Maybe allow supervised access but definitely no living there. It is not fair on you your son.
He needs a stable upbringing.

This is my main concern. The issue with partner was bad enough but there's other things that concern me especially her mental health which I offered to help her with. She is a very unstable person which shows given the situation that she has allowed herself to get into.

He is stable at my house now & has been for 3 months. He has a routine & sleeps in his own bedroom. He was still sleeping in his mum's bed when he turned 12 which was an issue in itself. I do not want to disrupt any of this. He is very proud of his self now & he has become very independent & mature over the last few months.

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malgrat78 · 19/12/2019 15:24

@ItStartedWithAKiss241

Can you file for residency under “allegations of harm” as it’s a safeguarding risk to have drugs around your son?
That would skip mediation? X

Not sure but worth looking into. Thanks.

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malgrat78 · 19/12/2019 15:28

@yesterdaystotalsteps123

By the sound of it you need to go down the court route and go low contact/email only with his mum. Cafcass will do background checks on you both, interview you both and prepare a report for court. If necessary they will interview your son. Take several steps back from her. Stop questioning her about her lifestyle choices and speculating (there is a lot of I think/I believe sentences). Just go down the legal route now and the court will decide what is best for your son. Good luck

Yes I think legal action is the only way now. I try to limit contact with her as much as possible. The last time I personally spoke to her was last week when she phoned me up complaining that her benefits had been stopped & it was my fault. The speculation is mostly things that I have been told from her daughter or neighbour who used to be her best friend. Her lifestyle choices are not of my concern as long as they do not affect my son which they would the more contact with her I allow.

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Bunney2020 · 19/12/2019 15:38

I think (reading from your other posts, have been following for a while) it's clear your ex is flakey, so I would give the 'boyfriend moving out' a wide berth for the moment, she could easily move him back in. And while you still suspect she has drugs in the house and using then you son is not safe there.

I think you've had some very good information from others on this post, but just be careful of your next step. You son needs stability and your ex needs to prove this isn't just a fight and she's kicked him out for a few days.

malgrat78 · 19/12/2019 15:48

@Bunney2020

I think (reading from your other posts, have been following for a while) it's clear your ex is flakey, so I would give the 'boyfriend moving out' a wide berth for the moment, she could easily move him back in. And while you still suspect she has drugs in the house and using then you son is not safe there.

Yes & unfortunately I cannot believe a word that she says. She will bend the truth to favour her. There is all sorts that could happen. As you say he could easily move back in. If not he could go around making a nuisance of himself. All not very good for my son to see.

I think you've had some very good information from others on this post, but just be careful of your next step. You son needs stability and your ex needs to prove this isn't just a fight and she's kicked him out for a few days.

This is what bothers me. My son is stable now & I am certain she will mention to him that she has kicked this guy out. Trying to emotionally blackmail him when he is stable living with me.

I think what I will do from here is keep my distance, carry on as before with little contact between my son & his mum & see what happens. In the meantime I think I will have a chat to a solicitor to see what my options are.

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mclover · 19/12/2019 15:51

Court and if / when she sees him a drugs test to be taken. Good luck OP, thank god your son has you

Aussiebean · 19/12/2019 19:46

She is still a drug addict. Who cares if he is gone. She is still a drug addict.

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