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What (if anything) can I do about this situation with my parents?

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SarahAndQuack · 16/12/2019 16:19

We've just been down to see my parents, with my toddler daughter, my brother, and his children. We go perhaps every two-three months, as it's a two hour drive. It really brought home to me how much they are struggling.

My mum's always been the cook/cleaner in the house. She hates cleaning and her standards are pretty awful, and in recent years things have got worse as an old knee injury means she can't easily get down to the floor. When her grandchildren were crawling babies it would be utterly filthy and she had no sense of it. She also tends to have off food in the fridge, and her food hygiene is getting worse and worse (cross contamination, filthy surfaces in the kitchen, etc.). Nothing is washed very often, towels and clothes and so on. Some of this is just unpleasant but some of it is a health issue. We children have all had a go explaining/trying to persuade her to get a cleaner, but she is pretty reluctant.

My dad grudgingly did the cooking while she was laid up with a broken leg earlier this year, but he is an old-fashioned misogynist (though he wouldn't want to think so) and objects to the idea that he should do anything. He has a few tasks, such as washing up after dinner, but refuses to understand that anything needs to be put in the fridge/covered. For example he'll leave meat out on the side until the morning, and mum will put it in the fridge then expect it to be eaten, or he'll leave an uncovered bowl of stock or rice out and think it's fine to eat. When mum was unable to walk, he simply refused to believe anything needed much cleaning (eg., he thinks you mop a kitchen floor 'once or twice a year' and therefore he had no need to do it).

He is physically capable and could perfectly well do chores she can't manage. They are both coming up to 70; dad is apparently 'very busy' with the second career he started after retiring and mum works a very few hours a week. But they live in a very large five bedroom house with a big garden, and I can see why mum is exhausted just trying to keep up with that, especially as it's obviously an effort for her just to move around now.

What's very sad is that, frankly, going to see them is so stressful. My old solution used to be to dash round the kitchen like a mad thing, cleaning it so that it was fit to use, then cooking dinner with my mum. This makes her happy as she enjoys cooking and likes to chat while spending two-three hours making a meal (and I could keep an eye on the food hygiene). Increasingly, the level of filth makes this harder, and I'm also trying to keep the toddlers away from cleaning fluids/filthy surfaces at the same time. It's also thankless as both parents take cleaning up as an insult. While it's true my mum is very reluctant to get a cleaner, my dad could insist, and certainly could persuade her, and he point blank refuses, and instead pretends it is all her fault (both not having a cleaner, and the fact it is messy). This makes me incandescent, to be honest, and it is another reason I find it hard to visit.

Any ideas?

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brassbrass · 16/12/2019 16:24

Refuse to visit until they address the problem?

Insist on a one off clean just prior to your visit so that it's ok when you arrive?

Epona1 · 16/12/2019 16:26

Surely the sensible answer would be to down size, maybe to small bungalow (helping your Mums knees with no stairs) and hire a home help

Loopytiles · 16/12/2019 16:29

Frank conversation needed, suggesting downsizing, and fewer visits due to the hygiene issues.

I wouldn’t clean for them when they can afford help.

brassbrass · 16/12/2019 16:34

Downsizing won't help the attitude that a kitchen floor only needs mopping once or twice a year! They need to understand that hygiene cannot be ignored and be responsible for keeping up with it. Otherwise instead of a squalid 5 bed house they'll end up with a squalid bungalow.

CMOTDibbler · 16/12/2019 16:35

When it was obvious that my parents house was unsafe for ds as a mobile baby/toddler, we changed to only visiting for the day, and eating out and doing something together. It makes a long day, but much better than stressing about it.

With time, my parents had to get a cleaner and carer, and though ds is a teen (and well versed in checking use by dates on anything at their house and never eating something there that doesn't come out of a packet with one on) its an awful lot cleaner and less hazardous. But it took threats of mum being at risk for dad to agree to the cleaner

milliefiori · 16/12/2019 16:38

You can't change them. This is not a temporary problem, it's ingrained. As far as they are concerned, it's not a problem. Stop visiting in their home. Invite them out for lunch somewhere that the DC can roam around. Keep visits brief - don;t stay over. Invite them to stay with you if you want to see them for longer periods. That's what I did with my parents when DC were small. they rarely set foot in my parents' filthy house, or ate their food, and they never once stayed overnight. My parents still think their home is a palace. No talking or explaining or downsizing will change anything. You just have to manage how and where you see them.

HeyPizza · 16/12/2019 16:39

Would they consider downsizing? I don't think you're going to be able to change their habits, you will either have to visit less, or somehow get them to come to you? Or meet in town/for dinner so you see them but spend less time at home.

mousemousse · 16/12/2019 16:40

Buy a cleaner for Xmas if you can afford,. A few hours a week. Present it as a deal already done so they can't object

SarahAndQuack · 16/12/2019 16:43

@brassbrass - I could refuse to visit, but 1) it would hurt them, and 2) wouldn't it just mean I didn't know what was going on?

I could insist on a one-off clean (and I know SIL did when one of hers was tiny), but the result would only be my poor mum trying to clean the floor while my dad insists we're being mean to her. It wouldn't solve the problem that she is increasingly incapable of really getting down to clean, and it's extremely hard on her, while he could do it but won't.

@Epona1 - well, quite, but part of the problem is that they love having a big house. It's both absurd and sad - they always felt it was too small when we were children, and extended it once. Then they extended it again (?!) when we'd all left home, and now it is the size they probably wanted when we were little kids. Their line is that they love it because all the family can visit and they can put us all up. They absolutely love the idea of having a house full of guests. And TBH I'd love to visit more with my siblings, if it weren't so stressful actually being there!

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brassbrass · 16/12/2019 16:46

I mean a one off clean by a cleaning company. That they agree to a blitz prior to your visit.

Loopytiles · 16/12/2019 16:46

Your parents are choosing and are responsible for their situation. All you can do is set boundaries for yourself and your DC.

SarahAndQuack · 16/12/2019 16:47

Sorry, I took so long to write that I've cross posted.

@CMOTDibbler - how did you phrase the comments about your mum being at risk to your dad? That sounds like a really useful strategy and might work. I doubt he'd take much on board about food hygiene (he has never cleaned/cooked for himself really, and genuinely does not believe there are any issues there). But he does worry about her slipping etc.

We couldn't come for the day and go out for a meal - to my mum, that would negate the point of us coming at all, which is that she loves the idea of cooking for us all and sitting round the table eating together. It's so frustrating! And the thing is, she is a good cook if you can ignore the seriously dodgy hygiene/the times when she is so exhausted from trying to get through the day, that she can't cope.

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SarahAndQuack · 16/12/2019 16:49

@mousemousse - I wish I could, but I can't. We're really struggling with money. Part of what is tricky is that they plainly find our house uncomfortable, because it's a rented house and it is currently absolutely freezing because the landlord won't do some of the repairs that are needed. So they naturally think their house is a palace in comparison, and don't see why we'd want to host them rather than be hosted. If their house were clean, it would be nice!

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SarahAndQuack · 16/12/2019 16:52

@brassbrass, oh, I see. I think the problem there would be they would interpret that as me (or DB, or SIL, or whoever mooted it) being critical and princessy and demanding a higher standard of cleanness than they need. On the one hand, we do want it cleaner, but what is worrying me (in this order) is:

  • my mum is so exhausted trying to cope in this house, and increasingly vulnerable to bad food/filthy conditions.
  • she's hurt we're not happier to come (ok, it'd solve that one!).
  • my dad seems to me to be showing a really nasty side by making her think it's all her fault.
  • when we're not there, it must be worse.
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CMOTDibbler · 16/12/2019 17:00

It really took the wheels falling off I'm afraid - mum collapsed, the paramedics came and made a SS referral as the state of the house was so bad. But this was in the context of both parents being physically frail and mum having early dementia - dad was really trying his hardest to cope with everything.

If you want to change things though, you have to sit your parents down and lay it on the line - the house is too dirty, and its stopping you visiting. You are happy to help them find a regular cleaner to help your mum out especially as she finds it difficult now, but it is their choice. Be clean, or you will only see them at yours or in the pub.

If you tiptoe around not wanting to offend them, nothing will ever change

SarahAndQuack · 16/12/2019 17:03

Oh, how awful cmot. Sad

I suspect my dad has a bit of dementia, FWIW. He certainly seems to be forgetting a lot and becoming very rigid/retrogressive in his thinking, which would fit.

We have (both brothers and I) mentioned things about the state of the house, so we're not tiptoeing. We've never said 'it is filthy and we refuse to visit', though.

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Hepsibar · 16/12/2019 17:11

Dear SarahandQuack, your tale is a familiar one. My mum will not have a cleaner, we have tried but she's hated them all. I could go over on my one day off a week but I would like to do my own house and she can easily afford a cleaner.

It is the kitchen, interestingly the toilets are not too bad. At one time she had a little mouse, which she liked very much and used to feed, but it's gone now!

Needless to say, we dont eat there or even have a drink! It's quite easy though as she lives near and so comes to us or we go out.

I think you are going to have to be firm about this but they may need help in getting a cleaner.

This is the approach I took with incontinence products ... my mother obviously having a bit of a problem and would not go to the doctor ... in the end had to be really blunt ... " Look mum, I dont like saying this but you do smell, I can smell it, the children can smell it, everyone can you wont go to the doctor, so you need to manage the condition and I have got you some pads." (Lady Tenna pull ups and then she hasnt looked back and gets them herself, but I had to be brutally firm.)

Itsjustmee · 16/12/2019 17:13

Long shot but could you buy them one of those robotic cleaners.
They will mop the floor and hoover as well
My parents have one and it’s made a massive difference to the house being clean
They even gave it a name i😂

SarahAndQuack · 16/12/2019 17:17

Sympathy, hepsibar. How old is your mother?

itsjust Ooh, I did not know you could get robotic cleaners that mop! Wow. That is quite tempting as it would at least make life easier for mum. I will look into that and see if my brothers might chip in on it as a present. Thank you.

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Itsjustmee · 16/12/2019 17:26

They are really good and range in price from
£200 -£500 but they are really good and easy to use they will mop the floor and dry it it and vacuum as well

HeyPizza · 17/12/2019 11:17

@Itsjustmee Which one would you recommend? I think my parents could do with something similar, they struggle with the hoover! :)

ohwheniknow · 17/12/2019 11:21

Filthy is a very strong word.

SarahAndQuack · 17/12/2019 11:28

YY, I would appreciate a recommendation too. It won't solve everything, obviously, but might help.

ohwhen - yes, it is.

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