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broken relationship with my mum

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Oshkosh82 · 10/12/2019 21:55

Hi all, I hope I’m doing everything right as I’ve never posted on here before but I really need some advice or at least others points of view because I’m at a loss and feel like I’m going mad!

Long post...I’m sorry

My relationship with my mum I believe has come to an end. To be honest it’s always been a little turbulent over the years so I will start from the beginning.
I had a reasonably normal childhood with my parents and an older brother until my father died suddenly when I was 9. It turned all out lives upside down and I appreciate it was a very difficult time for my mum bringing up 2 kids alone. The evening my father died I was shipped off to stay with my mums cousin and her family who I knew but not well. My mum, brother and my grandmother stayed at home together grieving while I spent the whole night holding my emotions in and I believe this is partly why I feel like I do now.
From that day on I always felt in my own.

Even as I child my mum and brother would then joke about how I was adopted but I should be happy because they’d chosen me, I’d get so upset and pretend to run away but really hide behind furniture to her then laughing and saying “ oh look she’s run away again that’s a shame!”
My mum began dating a guy a few years after and wouldn’t have a lot of time for my brother and I. Of course then I just saw it made her happy and didn’t think anything of it, I’d come home from school, she’s pop some dinner under the grill and then spend the majority of the evening sitting in the guys car. She’d go on dates regularly and weekends away and we’d have someone from the family to come and watch us. Sadly my grandmother died and my small family become even smaller.

Fast forward to me becoming a teenager, I met a boy and fell into (what I thought was) love. My mum would constantly have a go at me for not spending time with me and accuse me of loving him more than her but in truth it was nice to be involved with a family, we’d go for days out and it felt good to get some attention. I stated to bunk off school and she’d go mad at me, telling me I was making her life a misery and telling everyone what a nightmare daughter I was. In the meantime my brother met a girl and they had an unplanned pregnancy. They both moved in with us and when their little girl was born my mum treated her like she was her own. She’d have her sleeping in her room so they could sleep and go to work, do all the feeding and take the baby out all the time. I just kept myself to myself.
After school I went to college and I remember coming home one day to my mother resentfully telling me my dream job was being advertised however, if I took it she’d lose out on money. I took the job, promising her I’d pay her housekeeping which I always did without fail. A little while later I asked her if she’d lend me £300 to but a horse ( which was my lifelong dream) that my best friend and I was going half’s on and she outright refused no, because I wouldn’t pay her back. I argued that I would as if never borrowed money before how did she know that, but still she refused. A few months later she lent my brother £1000 for something he wanted. My brothers girlfriend constantly used my mother’s name to rack up store cards and catalogues and nothing was ever said, my mum just paid them

Eventually my life moved on, I met the love of my life who has been my husband for now 15 years, and we have 3 children. Not long after we met my brother told us he was moving 250 miles away with his family. My mother quickly followed suit, ( she was single by then) I was in two minds. Eventually me and my husband followed and to this day now I believe it was the worst decision ever.

My brother had another child, his relationship broke down and he went on to marry someone else which again has since broke down. Now he is with someone else and has buggered off 400 miles away, we have spent 1 Christmas out of 11 with him as he had no care what my mum is doing he knew she’d spend it with me as I don’t want to think of her being alone. When he got married to his ex he went to the Maldives for two weeks and on his wedding night left my mum and one of his kids stranded at the venue. He hardly contacted us at all and it really hurt my mum. When I got married I asked my mum (as I have no other family and my in-laws are just as bad) if she’d look after my son for a weekend she refused as she didn’t want the responsibility and besides she’d never had a honeymoon either.

After my fist two children I looked hard to find a job, eventually securing an interview that would of taken an hour tops. I asked my mum to sit with the kids but she refused saying she was out with my brother that day. I ended up getting the job, after paying a friend to sit round for me.

I still have that job 8 years on and pay my my mum ( not a lot) to do nursery pick ups and make lunch for my youngest while me and my husband work. ( she no longer works herself) I am constantly told it’s too much for her can I pick her up, take her home, I’d I’m five minutes late she’s ringing me where am I?

It’s all come to a head and alL these years of being treated different to my brother despite always being the there for her had made me resent her. He does what he wants and whatever I do I pay for emotionally.

I only have a few close friends and some good friends at work, my mum would always tell me if I’d had a falling out with a friend “ well don’t be friends with her again! If you speak to her again I don’t want anything to do with you” Same if I’d have a row with my husband, she’d be annoyed with me when we’d make up!

My brother comes and visits her with his girlfriend and literally asked me to go out with them once, with no notice given. Since then they’ve gone for meals out I’ve seen on social media and again neither me or my husband or kids are invited. He’s also just proposed To his gf which my mum knew about before but didn’t mention it to me. They involve me in nothing.
We have now had a blazing row and she has told my eldest son after ignoring calls from both me and my husband that we have to
other arrangements for working as she can’t do it.

I feel she is literally taking pleasure in making my life a misery I’m totally stressed and she never, ever sees that I’m hurt! I feel so alone and all I really have is my husband and kids, I came here as I wanted to be with her as we don’t have any other family. I’m just so angry right now

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Swirlygirl · 10/12/2019 22:12

Oshkosh82 I have a dreadful family and had to make a decision to walk away from them.

I could write pages and pages about my shit family and the effect they had on my childhood and early adult life but I do my best not to dwell on it now as it’s caused me years of upset and I had to move on.

Your mothers toxic - she’s probably totally unaware of it too and wouldn’t even acknowledge it if you pointed out all the things you listed upthread.

The ONLY thing you can do is get to grips with the fact that this is never going to be the mother that you want and to start to protect yourself. You can absolutely go no contact with her. Draw a line under it. I did. Getting on 20 years and it was the best thing I did.

Don’t let your mum live in your head anymore

Oshkosh82 · 10/12/2019 22:29

Thank you so much for your reply it’s something I need to hear because although deep down I know i need to move sometimes it makes me feel I’m being the unreasonable one. As a mum I’d never want my kids to feel this way Sad

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rvby · 10/12/2019 22:43

@Oshkosh82 what was said in the blazing row?

My heart goes out to you. My mum struggles to give a fuck about me and its incredibly hurtful. When people tell me how great I am, my first automatic thought is often "can't be that great if my own mother can't be arsed".

It's not easy, trying to cope with this sort of thing. Xx

Thelnebriati · 10/12/2019 22:43

I went NC with my mum after an incident that was the straw that broke the camels back. I felt guilty for about 4 weeks until she did something unspeakably nasty as revenge, and it removed all of the feelings of guilt.
I was able to accept that she is damaged, and unable to be a decent person or mother. After that, it was like a massive weight lifted from me.
Its a good few years later now and I rarely think of her. I cant imagine how bad my life would be right now if I hadn't made that move.

I'm not saying its the right choice for you, but try to play it through in your mind and imagine how it would feel to be free of needing them.

Oshkosh82 · 10/12/2019 23:06

@rvby I was annoyed she hadn’t told me about my brother getting engaged, I wasn’t gonna let the cat out of bag but it’s hurtful all this cloak and dagger stuff Sad I just don’t get involved in anything at all.
So at that point I wasn’t in the best of moods...
Also me and hubby had been looking at getting a new puppy after we’d lost our beloved dog back in April and she didn’t show any interest at all when I told her about it even though the kids are so excited.

It’s like if I doesn’t benefit her she isn’t interested and it’s so hurtful.

So anyway I just lost it in the car driving her home and she basically told me she is going to tell everyone what I’m like and I felt like saying to her, I’m like this because you make me feel like this

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Oshkosh82 · 10/12/2019 23:14

@Thelnebriati my kids love her and I wouldn’t want them to feel I’d made them to stop seeing her but honestly I am feeling nothing but pain and upset from continuing this relationship. She NEVER admits fault and NEVER says sorry even when she has done wrong and it kind of destroys you as a person as it basically says you’re always the wrong one

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 11/12/2019 06:56

If she is too toxic for you to deal with it’s the same deal for your kids also. Many adult children of narcissistic parents fall into this trap and let the kids have a relationship despite their own experience to the contrary

I would think your kids fear her on some level as well. What she shows them is not love but instead perhaps makes them feel like they are an extension of her. Read about narcissistic personality disorder and other cluster b personality disorders and see how much of that relates to your mothers behaviour towards you all.

It’s not your fault she is like this and you did not make her that way. People from dysfunctional families end up
playing roles and you seem like the scapegoat here in your family of origin. You ultimately need to reduce all contact with her to zero sum

Do read and post on the we took you to stately homes thread on these pages.

madcatladyforever · 11/12/2019 07:01

I've had to move a long way away, it was either that or always feel an outcast and have a breakdown. I'd do the same if you can. Leave the woman on her own.

countdowntochristmas · 11/12/2019 07:20

I agree sounds toxic . It's similar to the relationship with my dad but moved on a lot further now I'm nc .
It was like that with my brother was/ is practically worshiped and I can't do anything right . I would put up with it for years while my dc were young but tbh any help regarding child care was thrown back in my face so looking back it wasn't help really and a child minder would have been easier. I think that's the next step sorting childcare for your dc, yes it's more expensive but you may be able to claim tax credits but better in the long run . Then you won't have to see her as much . Also you say the dc love her I'm sure they do but I used to think the same but they see how she behaves to you. kids aren't daft . They grow up and they probably won't like how she treats you . Show them that you won't be a door mat.
She won't change unfortunately so you need to stop trying to change her .

Oshkosh82 · 11/12/2019 07:35

@AttilaTheMeerkat wow just read that thread and my jaw is on the floor Shock

All of those phrases have been said to me, which makes me look like I’m being the selfish unreasonable one.

I feel like because her life didn’t turn out how it should of then she punishes me for it Sad

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 11/12/2019 08:43

"I feel like because her life didn’t turn out how it should of then she punishes me for it"

Correct, your mother made you her very own personal scapegoat for all her inherent ills. Such people really do not ever apologise nor accept any responsibility for their actions. She uses DARVO instead against you (deny, attack, reverse victim and offender). You probably too also remind her of your dad a bit, a man whom she also hated. Women like your mother cannot do relationships at all so the men in their lives are either discarded or are as narcissistic as they are.

It is not your fault she is like this and you did not make her that way. Draw a line under this so called relationship and start reducing all contact to a level of zero. You get nothing out of this relationship and it is not possible to have a relationship with a narcissist. You also would not have tolerated this from a friend, your mother is no different.

Do further read and post on the Stately Homes November thread.

Oshkosh82 · 11/12/2019 09:14

I just feel so angry and resentful about it all and when we’ve argued about things I can’t keep it in and it all comes out to her as I’m just so hurt and angry, Yes I swear and shout and it infuriates me that she can’t see why I feel like I do.

This in turn obviously gives her an opportunity to be smug, play the innocent victim and say to everyone “oh look what my daughters like”

Her and my father were childhood sweethearts and loved each other very much so I know it hurt her tremendously when she lost him but it hurt me also, but as ever she has always been the one it affected the most.

One of the strangest things ever was when my and my husband first met, she told him one day that I’d never be happy. She made me out to be some kind of difficult person who he needn’t bother with as I’m just not a nice person. It couldn’t be further from the truth, he makes me incredibly happy yes we have our ups and downs but our marriage is solid. I think that’s the part she can’t bear.

My husband is the only person who can see how she treats me. During one argument once he was trying to mediate and see both sides, but my mums stubborn streak came out and she wouldn’t admit to causing me any hurt over the years. In the end he gave up.

He had said to me many times, he believes she’d get satisfaction from us splitting up or something terrible happening. I believe then she’d turn to me and say “ well now you know what I have been through”

Childcare is a major issue for me. It’s not so much the money side of things it’s the hours me and OH have to work. Can be evenings or extremely early mornings. And as we have no other family help I feel I have no other choice. If I had to give up work we’d totally struggle financially. However I don’t feel this would bother her or the implications it would have on my children.

I just feel trapped and extremely sad that I can’t just be normal in a sense, why can’t I have a mum that really cares about me and make me feel loved? But sadly I can see it isn’t always that easy Sad

I will read further on those posts, it’s awful to hear others are going through the same but at the same time a small comfort that I am not alone

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