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Verbal abuse - how long do I let it go on?

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Zupermumm · 10/12/2019 13:00

My husband is a verbally angry man and I dream about the day my kids and I can break free from him. I took the kids and walked 4 years ago when I realised he was having an affair with a girl from his work and was just being so horrible to the kids (then 1 & 3) and me. I loved my time away from him but stupidly went back after 6 months as I felt sorry for him and his family - he is an only child and his mum put a mega guilt trip on me for walking out when his dad was sick and causing everyone so much stress. She begged me to get him some help and not give up on him. Husband stopped eating and lost a tonne of weight to make me look like the bad one. He promised he would change and be a better dad and father. But refused to go to counselling so in the end didn't change.

Fast forward 4 years and I now realise how stupid I was to go back. I now feel completely stuck.

  • his mum copps a lot of his anger and verbal abuse. He says horrible things to her to her face for no reason, and she is often left in tears. I don't usually go with him when he visits (he has to go every weekend) as I can't handle the toxic atmosphere of their house with her and him in it.
  • behind her back he says he wishes his parents would just die so he didn't have to see them every weekend and deal with their issues. He has said this multiple times in front of the kids, and whenever he hangs up the phone (or slams it down) and now they are repeating this which makes me very uncomfortable.

What if he treats me like this when I get old? What if my kids think it is OK to speak to me like this and say they want me to die when I get old? Doesn't sit well with me at all.

On the home front he is just a horrible dad to our kids. He patronises them, constantly puts them down, points out their weaknesses, blows up over minor accidents like spilling drinks or breaking things. Mutters rude stuff under his breath and is just generally disrespectful. I have occasionally caught him going off at the kids and telling them that they have ruined his life when he thinks I am out of earshot, and it breaks my heart that their dad speaks to them like this. I will try and diffuse the situation and he will lie about what happened to try and justify his awful behaviour. He smacks the kids for things that aren't worthy of a smack, and throws things if he gets annoyed at whatever is in his hand i.e. getting off the phone from his mum he will often throw the phone.

To the outside world he is a nice guy. Working hard in the corporate world to support his family. They have no idea what it is to live with him and witness his selfish, and angry behaviour every day.

We haven't had sex for 6 years, despite numerous trips away, date nights etc. I now can't stand the sight of him so no longer instigate either. I am not that fat (size 10-12) and workout several times a week, but he will still say 'thats going straight to your arse' every time I accept a piece of birthday cake or something. I have emotionally withdrawn from the marriage to protect myself from further hurt on this front. I see this as a parenting marriage only.

However, the kids are now behaving very badly ... argumentative, swearing, muttering under their breath. I think his bad behaviour, and verbal aggression is rubbing off on them, and they think it is OK to yell and scream at me because that is what dad does all the time.

They are also showing signs of being scared of what will happen if 'dad finds out' they spilled a drink or didn't eat their lunch. If they hurt themselves, instead of offering sympathy and hugs he goes off at them for being clumsy. They withdraw and look scared when he loses his temper. He doesn't hit, other than smacking, so its not physical abuse but definitely verbal abuse.

So, that leaves me in a parenting marriage with someone who can't parent .... I know I need to leave .... But if I leave, it means he will get 'unsupervised time' with them and no doubt ear bash them about how horrible I am. At least when I am around i can diffuse the situation and defend myself. I can't bear the thought of leaving them with him for periods of time, and not being able to protect them from his temper. I was going to just grin and bear it for another couple of years (they are 5 & 7 now) but with their terrible behaviour I am scared the damage will be irreversible.

I hate living like this. I long for him to get a travelling job, or find a girl to run off with, so I can live in peace with my beautiful boys. I wish I had stuck to my guns 4 years ago ... everything would have been sorted by now, instead I am stuck in a horrible mess. My parents know things are bad, but they don't know how bad. I try to put on a brave face.

I have started writing down all the horrible things he says and does so that when the inevitable happens I may be able to limit his access to the kids, and I am squirrelling away some money from each of my pay 'for a rainy day' (actually wondering if I should withdraw it and give it to my parents to bank so its not traceable).

Keen to hear your thoughts on how bad you think this situation is, and whether I should let it go on a few more years or get out now before I have both him and the kids treating me the way he treats his mother. If I stay a few more years, what things can I do to set myself up for when the time comes.

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GiveHerHellFromUs · 10/12/2019 13:04

Your kids are scared of him.

I'm sure you've seen how many people post on here saying they resent their mothers for not leaving their abusive fathers.
People who need counselling as adults because of the childhood trauma.

They need to be your priority.

Smacking is abuse, too.

His parents put up with it. Show your children that you, and they, deserve better.

Tableclothing · 10/12/2019 13:05

Get the hell out as soon as you possibly can.

beautifulstranger101 · 10/12/2019 13:08

GET OUT NOW. I work in psychiatry and I am telling you- this is abuse. You and your children are being verbally and emotionally abused and it WILL affect the rest of their lives. They are already showing signs of distress by their behaviour so its affecting them already. I hear stories like this on the regular from psych patients and if they feel you are doing nothing to help them, they will start to feel mistrustful of you too because you aren't protecting them from it. It will affect everything from their own self esteem to how they relate to others when they have relationships of their own. My advice- get some legal advice before you do anything at all. Citizens advice bureau can guide you in the right direction and some solicitors offer an hour of free advice. Get legal guidance of how to proceed but I would start squirrelling money away and noting EVERYTHING down- make records and if possible record his outbursts on your phone so you have evidence.

I dont mean to blame you because obviously, this situation is not your fault. However, it IS your responsibility to remove your children from this abusivem toxic environment. It will be hard and it will be a struggle but ultimately, you will be happier away from this vile individual and your children will be happier in the long run. Good luck.

Wildorchidz · 10/12/2019 13:11

Your children will be damaged for life.

Zupermumm · 10/12/2019 13:23

I thought I had it under control, having emotionally detached and protecting the kids ... but I now realise how much he has damaged them.

When we split last time I saw a lawyer and said it would be a 50/50 split on all fronts, including custody, as I earn the same as him. This is why I am worried about giving them to him 50% of the time and squirrelling away some money without him knowing to give me a head start. I think I need a bit more time to build the verbal abuse case as I stopped documenting the 'incidents' for the past couple of years as I was optimistic we could get it to work. I did write down pages of incidents 4 years ago, and my latest records only go back a few weeks.

He also won't leave. That is why I had to leave last time. I think he should move back in with his parents to help his mum look after his sick dad but he doesn't want anything to do with them other than the 1 hour he has committed a week to take our kids to see them.

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Interestedwoman · 10/12/2019 13:24

Yes, the kids will be damaged for life- I and my sister have been left with anxiety issues as our brains were developing within that 'walking on eggshells' environment.

Not only that, but already they're sometimes acting like nasty people. You don't have two years or whatever to leave, you have to get out ASAP as seeing his behaviour is already shaping their personalities.

RhinoskinhaveI · 10/12/2019 13:28

He sounds sociopathic and from what you say he certainly fits the profile
You need to escape from him no question about that, the question is how, you need a good plan

OoohTheStatsDontLie · 10/12/2019 13:48

You need to leave as soon as you can OP. Not when you've saved up enough etc. Every day he is with them is damaging them. Do you really think he will want 50 50 custody given he thinks they have ruined his life? Or would he go for that just so he didnt have to pay maintenance? They are scared of him and he smacks them for nothing. You need to get them some help. If you can't afford any private therapy for them I'd start with the GP and at least they can go on a waiting list, and also mention to the school what's going on at home as they might be able to offer some help, also these acts will give some records of the situation.

Please dont worry about people thinking he is a great person - he is horrible to his family, his wife, his kids, I doubt he will be pulling the wool over everyones eyes in other aspects of his life.

5LeafClover · 10/12/2019 14:04

Leave when you can and as soon as you can. The chances of him changing are minimal. He is setting down patterns of behaviour that your children will both fear and copy. I understand that you thought you could somehow control it but it's too big an ask for anyone to do this...he will just keep going because he needs the reaction. Leave. You can do it 💐

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