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Is anyone else in a completely affectionless marriage?

23 replies

WhiteFluffySocks · 10/12/2019 09:13

I’m in my early 30s and have been married 14 years and I’m now at the point that I can’t continue life like this.

No hand holding, no kissing, no cuddles, no compliments and no intimacy. There is just nothing there anymore. I honestly believe he doesn’t care about me as he shows absolutely zero interest in my life. Never asks questions about my day, he just doesn’t seem to give a shit.

Part of me doesn’t want to leave for the kids sake and for a easy life but the other half says surely there’s more to life than this.

This resurfaces itself every 6 months or so, I get to breaking point and we have a chat about it. He promises to change and maybe he will put a tad more effort in for a day or two and all will be forgotten and I’m back here again.

I completely broke down on Saturday, it came out of nowhere and told him once again how I felt. He promised things would change and absolutely nothing has. It won’t and I know that deep down.

I need to now make the decision once and for all.

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An0nym0us2011 · 10/12/2019 09:16

Do you give him affection?

Caramel78 · 10/12/2019 09:18

My previous relationship was like this. I was only 26 and we were only having sex once or twice a year and would hardly ever do things like hold hands or kiss. He would never give me any compliments and just seemed generally uninterested in me as a person so my self esteem hit rock bottom. I eventually left him (I didn’t before as I wanted an easy life) and it was the best thing I ever did as I’m now engaged to someone amazing and we are madly in love. Don’t ever settle for the mundane as you’ll regret it so much when life starts passing you by

AutumnCrow · 10/12/2019 09:18

I think you've already made the decision, OP Flowers

A lot of the rest is going to revolve around practicalities, and giving yourself a bit of time to process the loss of the relationship you wanted but never had.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/12/2019 09:29

What do you get out of this relationship now?.

What did you learn about relationships when you were growing up?.

There is indeed more to life than this. Divorce is not failure but living in this unhappiness is. Staying with him also actively stops you from meeting someone else.

I would urge you to make the break and sooner rather than later. Children are perceptive and pick up on all the vibes both spoken and unspoken. They sense the antipathy between you two both spoken and unspoken and sound travels too.

What do you want to teach your children about relationships and what are they learning here from you two?. You are showing them that for them a loveless marriage could be their "norm" too. If we want our offspring to have joyful and successful relationships, we need to provide them with the best example we possibly can. Living in mediocrity or worse burdens children with very confusing messages about relationships and happiness. It certainly instructs them that loving marriages and partnerships are not their birthright.

When marriages are angry, conflicted, or terribly mediocre, parents often default to staying together for the purported sake of the children. I wonder whose sake it this really for, in this instance I would argue its for yours rather than your children's. They cannot and should not be used as glue here to bind you and this man together.

As our children grow older, they tend to replicate relationships similar to what their parents modeled. As parents we’d never say we want our children to suffer or struggle in their relationships. Yet that’s the greater likelihood. It’s not what we say, but what we do that matters. Telling our children they deserve healthy, respectful, and loving partnerships isn’t taken to heart if we don’t have the courage to live up to our own words. What we model for them is very much what we might expect for them in their future relationships. From this perspective we might question the sincerity of the expression “for the sake of the children.”

Financial concerns or the fear of being alone often motivate such paralysis, hidden beneath the mask of staying together for the children. Unloving or conflicted marriages often follow a lineage as they are passed down from generation to generation. And so the cycle continues. Is this what we really wish for our children? It is much more challenging to come to terms with our own circumstances and face our fears than it is to hide behind them as we stay together “for the kids.”

Divorce isn’t failure, but living in unhappiness is.

Divorce, in and of itself, need not be harmful to children. It is the adversarial and contentious process of divorce, if continued, that may wreak damage. Yet research indicates that most children adapt to their new circumstances within a few years. Having two parents successfully move forward with their lives teaches an invaluable lesson: that we deserve to be happy and to feel loved. Conversely, remaining in relationships that perpetuate anger, devaluation, and lack of positive interactions leaves an indelible scar on children. We should demonstrate lovingly to our kids that we all deserve happiness, even at the cost of divorcing.

WhiteFluffySocks · 10/12/2019 09:39

Yes I do give him affection, he seems almost inconvenienced when I do.

I hate to say it but at the moment I only get financial stability being in this relationship. I don’t get much else as when we’re together he doesn’t seem to want to be around me. There is just nothing there anymore.

Growing up I learnt to stay in the relationship even if your miserable. My parents hate each other and are still together. There both miserable and tear each other to shreds. Both constantly speak to me separately about how awful each other are but they have never done anything about it.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/12/2019 09:46

Do not do what your parents did here with your own children. You can and should break this cycle here.

You have a choice re this man WhiteFluffysocks, your children do not.

I would think you wish your parents had indeed separated; look at what they taught you about relationships. Some legacy they gave you. Fact is they get what they want out of this relationship and they are together for their own reasons. One of them is the codependent partner.

Do not continue to show them such a poor version of marriage; this does you and they no favours. And they are not going to say "thanks mum" to you either for staying with him (particularly if they were to determine you stayed for financial stability). They could well come to despise you for doing so therefore putting your own relationship with them at risk. They could also go onto accuse you of putting him before them.

MarianaMoatedGrange · 10/12/2019 09:49

Your parents made their choice - it doesn't have to be yours. Think of it this way, if you part with your huband now, you BOTH have the chance to find and be with people more compatible, or to embrace the single life.

Your parents marriage should be a dire warning!

mamato3lads · 10/12/2019 10:50

Early 30s? It's no good mate, hes being lazy and complacent and you deserve and NEED more than that

It's so hard to leave but it sounds like he'll never change OP, you cant live your life in a cycle of disappointment and frustration ... you're only here once Flowers

Zzzz19 · 10/12/2019 11:11

I think he is what he is. Did he have a difficult upbringing with little love shown? It’s hard sometimes for people to show any emotion when they have deep rooted problems and only counselling MAY sort that out. It may not though. Have you been to counselling? I would always say to try this before ending a relationship where there are children involved.

I would say though from experience though that he is unlikely to change. He will probably be like the with others too in the future. It’s an inbuilt problem for some people.

SapatSea · 10/12/2019 16:25

I think you are heading to ultimatum time . He gets help or else... but if you do go down the ultimatum route then be prepared to act on it.

Lack of affection will chip away at your soul little by little and resentment will grow. He needs to want your family and relationship enough to get help and stick to a plan of starting to gradually introduce some affection back e.g. holding hands for 10 minutes a day, a kiss before sleep etc small things to build on that he can negotiate with a counsellor. If he's not willing to seek real help then you have your answer.

WhiteFluffySocks · 10/12/2019 19:50

Thanks for all the replies.

He comes from a very warm loving family. Really great upbringing.
So I really can’t understand it. He used to be really affectionate all the time even in public.

No we’ve not been to counseling, I’ve suggested it in the past but he was adamant that wasn’t happening.

I’ve been having a long hard think and I’m swaying towards a ultimatum. I honestly don’t think for a second it will work, it will fall on deaf ears and most likely piss him off that I’m pressuring him. But what’s one more try.

I’m aiming to talk to him in the next couple of days.

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Cacklingmags · 10/12/2019 20:36

It sounds like a very sad and lonely life you have with this man. I hope you find a way forward to happiness, and that may very well be without him.

PaulHollywoodsSexGut · 10/12/2019 20:42

This is a mega harsh thing to say but if you married at around 20 there’s a decent chance thus relationship may just have run it’s course.

It seems to be quite common to have a long relationship formed in ones twenties to go south in ones thirties when we are more sure of who we are and what we want out of life; the common point of splittage is the “having kids” conversation.

But you mention you’ve had children with him... how old are they? I only ask as I fear I’m unaffectionate to the point of being a bit cold to DH but my youngest is 6 months and after she’s in her own room and life settles a bit I want to work on changing that x

TurkeyStuffingPudding · 10/12/2019 20:56

I had this OP, unhappy for years, it would surface every few months, he'd promise to try more but refuse counselling.

It ground me down, eventually the ultimatum took us to counselling because I said I was done if not. But by that point it's done. There was so much resentment and I knew he was in the counselling because he had to be not because he wanted to be. He used it to continue to tell me what I was doing wrong.

I ended it 6 months ago and I'm the happiest I've been in years. Yes it's tough, financially and with the kids (we've done 50/50 split) and my job is full on. Yet I feel free to be me. I have my space. I have my life, do what I choose to. Also as other posters have said, that was not a healthy marriage to display for my kids. If my daughters were ever in this position- hell yes I would want them to leave. To find what happy is for them.

My only regret is that it took me years to get to that point when deep down inside I knew.

WhiteFluffySocks · 10/12/2019 22:00

Yes that is very true, I met him in my late teens so we are now very different people to when we first met.

My DC are 12 & 7.

Turkey - that’s a really positive, thanks for sharing. I imagine if I managed to get him to counseling that would be the same as your experience. In his head nothing is wrong and doesn’t need fixing as such

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mumpleasemayi · 10/12/2019 22:14

This is me too, next to no affection from my dh and after years of me saying to him about it and getting nowhere I'm afraid I've given up. I have no advice for you but just wanted you to know you're not the only one in a similar situation. Smile

Dontsayyouloveme · 10/12/2019 22:25

There were many issues in my relationship with exh, lack of affection being just one of them. Of the two wobbles I had after ending the relationship, what bought me back was that 1) I didn’t want my child thinking that a lack of affection between two married people was what a relationship looked like and 2) that they didn’t have to stand by a decision they had made previously (to get married) or stay in a relationship, If it made them unhappy.

Confused866 · 10/12/2019 22:58

OP I’m sorry you’re in this position but I’m kind of in it too but from the other side - I’m the one who doesn’t give much affection and my husband is unhappy with it. Being brutally honest the reason is that I just don’t feel that way towards him anymore. I don’t feel the want or need to kiss and cuddle him. It’s awful. We are close to splitting but it’s not easy when there are kids involved. Though a lot of the replies here have made me think a lot about what it means to display a good relationship for your children. I hope you can find a way forward and be happy again.

WhiteFluffySocks · 11/12/2019 07:17

Thanks again for you replies.

Confused thanks for putting the other sides perspective on this.

I’m very unsettled today. I was going to speak to him today and give him the ultimatum and hope that’s a kick up the ass needed to move forward. However I’m now dithering and thinking it’s pointless and we’re already dead in the water.

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Veterinari · 11/12/2019 07:37

Don’t dither OP you need to have a conversation with him regardless

Be honest about how you feel.
However if this is heading for separation as it sounds, ensure you have all important docs, access to financial statements etc

lifeisgoodagain · 11/12/2019 07:47

I was, well for the last 4 years. He left me (after 28 years together). Having someone who actually is affectionate is taking time to get used to!

Hidingtonothing · 11/12/2019 11:31

I wouldn't give him an ultimatum as such, I'd just sit him down and tell him that you think you're at the end of your tether and that you're thinking about separating. Tell him you both need to be thinking about practicalities, finances etc and suggest getting together for another chat in a few days. Then leave him to think about the reality of what you've said, I suspect that will be far more powerful than any 'shape up or ship out' ultimatum.

Of course you have to be prepared for him to agree it's time to split, but you're probably heading there anyway so not sure you have anything to lose really. If the prospect of losing you isn't enough to kick him into action then you know for sure it's dead in the water.

user1479305498 · 11/12/2019 11:50

I feel like confused . Too much shit under the bridge over the years has meant whilst I like and care , I don’t feel cuddly or affectionate a lot of the time

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