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End of my relationship tether

27 replies

CandyFlossSkies · 07/12/2019 14:03

I don't have anyone else to talk to about this. I'm not sure what I'm expecting, but some clarity would be good. This is quite long, so if you get to the bottom, thanks for reading!

I've been in a relationship for just over a decade. We met when I was quite young and fairly inexperienced. We were both lonely, vulnerable in some ways. There are several reasons why I'm unhappy with pur relationship but the issues outlined below are the ones that making me think I should just be brave and leave.

I'll be 34 in a few month's time, and time is seriously running out to have children. The problem is, I'm at the end of my tether in my relationship. I've left a few things out (my post is already long) but here's the worst of it.

Over the years, I have struggled with my partner's highly introverted, moody grumpy behaviour. It got really bad a few months ago to the point that I felt like I was constantly walking on eggshells. The way he has spoken to me in the past really resembles the way DR Martin (tv character) speaks to his patients. He is easily irritated or anxious and seems never to gave learnt to emotionally self sooth if something breaks or something doesn't go according to schedule. Many times over the years he has called me an idiot or a prick when I've accidentally spilled a little tea on the bed or done something similar. He does realise that unacceptable behaviour and always apologises, often within a minute or two of doing it. He didn't have a high a opinion of his father who was no father at all to him really growing up. His father often took out his temper on his mum, mostly emotionally and now I realise I'm subject to some of the same behaviour. He started to do things sexually which I wasn't comfortable with, which resulted in a huge argument a year and a half ago. There hasn't been an issue since then but that has left me with a fear that he doesn't respect my boundaries.

I said a few months ago that if he didn't change drastically that I would leave him, and that I could no longer be his emotional comforter / abuse taker. I had a health problem at the time which may gave come from the stress of our relationship so things really had to change and fast. I said if I felt his mood changing in future that I would no longer be there to cheer him up or expose myself to insults or whatever. I would simply leave him to stew in his own juice and that he would have to manage without my emotional labour.

Since then, things have really improved, but last night we had a major argument. I have a mild cold at the moment, as since he really doesn't want to be ill he didn't want me to touch his plate our his things. I forgot and grabbed his plate before setting it down on the table along with his food and he got really annoyed and said 'Were you born yesterday??'. Considering how many times he's snapped at me and called me an idiot in the past, didn't take this well. We argued and he said I can't constantly bring up what's happened in the past all the time when thing's have generally changed, but it's still relevant as I don't want him to slip back to the way it used to be.

He would really like to be a dad, he thinks children are adorable, but I don't think he doesn't appreciate how much they wear people down, how much attention they need, how annoying they can be. The homework help, the ferrying them to other childeen's houses and looking after their friends whem they're here. I'm questioning how he would cope with the unpredictability, noise and stress it would all bring. I absolutely do not want any future child to see him speaking to me in the way that he has done, or speaking to them in that way.

I have so little support and no close friends any more. My parents live a in a rural area with not many jobs that I feel I can't easily move out, just to get a break and a bit of thinking space. I have no one to talk to fully about this. My mum knows some of it but she loves me so much and is quite a worrier that I know I will give her many sleepless nights if I tell her the full extent of how I feel. I could scarcely afford to live on my own and I don't feel optimistic about starting a new relationship because most men at my age are attached or are married with small children.

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CandyFlossSkies · 07/12/2019 17:52

Anyone? I guess I posted at the wrong time. Most people are busy on weekends.

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FrazzledCareerWoman · 07/12/2019 17:55

Honestly, I would leave him and have kids on your own. I know it's easier said than done but you'll regret having kids with this man.

Elieza · 07/12/2019 18:04

He doesn’t respect you as much as he should. Do you love him? I’m thinking not.

Are you sure you couldn’t manage alone? Investigate it. There must be something you can do. A small house that’s yours is better than living in sadness. Is the commute from parents to your work too far? Flatshare an option?

You only have one life. This is it. There are no reruns.

Jaffacakesaremyfave · 07/12/2019 18:07

I'm sorry Candy but he sounds emotionally abusive. You're walking on eggshells and he doesnt respect your boundaries. Its worrying that he crossed boundaries sexually too and the name calling is unacceptable. I certainly wouldnt be having children with this man. Emotional abuse is so damaging to children and if he can't even be compassionate towards you when you have a cold, how will he treat you when you are pregnant or when his sick child vomits all over him.

My dad was like this and very likely has ASD but it doesn't negate the emotional abuse. I grew up being an extremely anxious person and a perfectionist because I would get screamed at for making mistakes and called an idiot or stupid for doing something by accident. It still breaks my heart when he screams at my mum for accidentally washing his mug (or other pointless affronts).

You are still yound enough to find someone more compatible to have DC with if that's what you really want. I don't think it would be fair on your DC to bring them into a relationship like this.

HarrietTheFly · 07/12/2019 18:08

Don't have kids with him and get out while you can. That's my honest advice. Don't think about stuff like he could change or anything... Just get out. Don't get pregnant to him. He will be far worse with kids involved, I guarantee it.

TimeforanotherChange · 07/12/2019 18:09

I think I would leave to be honest. You don't believe he would be good as a father and he sounds hard work as a partner. Please don't stay with someone you don't love or feel happy with for dear this is as good as it gets. It really isn't.

NabooThatsWho · 07/12/2019 18:13

He doesn’t sound like a good partner or potential dad. I would get out now while you are young enough to find a lovely caring partner to have children with.

Intheheat · 07/12/2019 18:19

My relationship was really good but children have tested it to the limit. They (children) are lovely but they put a huge strain on a relationship. Everything changes and your options are vastly diminished. If you are already having problems children will amplify those in ways you cannot envisage until it actually happens. Don't want to sound so negative but you need to think really carefully about bringing a child into this relationship. Solo parenting is hard work but it might be a better option for you. X

ferrier · 07/12/2019 18:27

If you're still walking on eggshells despite things having 'really improved' then you need to get out. That's no life for you or any child.

Kittykat93 · 07/12/2019 18:30

Calling you a prick for accidentally spilling something on the bed? Nah. I couldn't live with someone that disrespected me that much. It's your choice really.

Kittykat93 · 07/12/2019 18:30

Calling you a prick for accidentally spilling something on the bed? Nah. I couldn't live with someone that disrespected me that much. It's your choice really.

Kittykat93 · 07/12/2019 18:31

Sorry double posted!

MrsTerryPratchett · 07/12/2019 18:34

Kids spill and break things all the time. And if he was doing things sexually you didn't like, and knew it... there's a word for that.

Find a way to leave.

CandyFlossSkies · 11/12/2019 10:28

Update - I had some time away from him this weekend and when I came back I said I needed a break from our relationship. I'm going to try to move out and be financially independent (very difficult when I won't be on much more than minimum wage and living by myself). It's really scary, my family live far away, I have no local support, and I'm financially vulnerable. Part of my wants to go back to our comfort and familiarity, but I'm going to press ahead anyway. He knows that if I do leave there's a possibility I might not come back, although at the moment I think he's in denial about the possibility that this might actually happen. He really thinks that he can turn our lives around and improve everything. @Sooki6 might be interested in my story I can relate to much of her experience.

I was crying when I was talking about some of this, and saying that if you are certain of your partner, and you're content with your relationship, you don't have these kinds of thoughts. You don't yo-yo between thinking you're going to stay and then the next moment you're thinking of leaving and looking at jobs elsewhere (which I've done many times in the last few years). It's a symptom that something is really wrong.

The conversation continued a bit, there was no shouting, and then came something which normally would have made us argue. Something that just reminded me of why I need to press on, to move out and get some counselling maybe - he said that I was 'emotionally unstable'. He takes responsibility for his behaviour, he's not proud of it, but there is a part of him that actually thinks that my desire to leave so often is also down to the fact that I'm 'emotionally unstable'. In the past, when he was questioning a topic I was getting passionate about, (because it's not something he really cares about), he called me 'crazy', which then really made me angry. It's a textbook way of how some men handle women.There is quite a long history of men calling women 'unstable' or 'crazy' or 'hysterical' simply because those women were unhappy and because their behaviour couldn't be understood by their partners.

I find this so sad. If he wants an example of why I don't feel like his true equal anymore, why I don't feel as respected as I used to, THAT is why. You can't view someone as your equal when you do a verbal head-pat and suggest they are emotionally unstable. He probably views me as unstable because I veer from staying and talking about future plans to wanting to leave if things don't change. I'm sort of 'ok' sometimes and really not ok other times, but I haven't been really happy & certain in years. Because I naturally express myself in a bouncy, cheerful, chatty, energetic way, I think he mistakes that for true happiness and he ends up being really confused when I'm sitting him down for serious conversations.

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CandyFlossSkies · 11/12/2019 10:56

Also, just want to point out that I've always given him a lot of push-back when he's been behaving like an ass. I've always called it out. It's just now, I'm just tired of doing so and there's shouldn't be a need for it so often. It's hard work. His recent, 'were you born yesterday comment' showed me that he's still prone to it after this 6 month improvement. He even tried to deny what the meaning of it was!!! I couldn't't believe that I was debating with him that when someone says 'were you born yesterday?', what that means is 'how could you be so stupid that your doing something and infant would do?'. He says I'm inconsiderate when I'm sick, that I don't take care enough to avoid making him sick too and that's why he got annoyed, but I'm just tired of it all, given the fact that it fits into a much larger pattern of insulting and belittling snap insults. There might have been a 6 month gap recently, but I've had to put up with it for years before that, sometimes on a daily basis at one point. I don't think we've ever argued so much as we've done in the past 3 years.

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Spritesobright · 11/12/2019 11:24

I lived with a partner who had me walking on eggshells. It creeps up slowly and you don't realise how emotionally dominated you've become until you get out. It does horrible things to your self esteem.

If he's treating you this way before kids it will definity only get worse. I remember my ex shouting at the kids because they'd spilled glitter and thinking, "how can I let him do this to my children?"
The way he's speaking to you is totally unacceptable and clearly shows his lack of respect for you.

Get out now while you still have the confidence to do so and haven't been completely beaten down by his abusive bullying.

Well done telling him you're moving out. You can do this!

Butterymuffin · 11/12/2019 11:42

Leave as planned and look for a new partner or use a sperm donor. Being a single parent will be easier and a lot more joyful than life with this guy.

Sooki6 · 11/12/2019 18:09

Please listen to me and don’t go back. Having children with this man will only make your life ten times more complicated. I know lots of people who have waited longer than you to have children so don’t feel pressured. Get out now. He will only ever get worse and with the added pressure of children your life will be so much harder and you will feel trapped. Also, his behaviour could damage your children. Cut and run. Find some music with lyrics that you can relate to and okay that song over and over on repeat and hold onto the words. Don’t look back. Don’t hold onto the good times because they’re not the true picture of how your life with him really is. You have so much more freedom to start again compared to some of us xx

user1479305498 · 11/12/2019 18:13

I do know exactly how you feel OP. I too am cheerful and chatty , doesn't mean I 100% feel ok. I am married to a chronic overactor too-- very similar comments and responses to ill health/colds too. I have learned to somewhat zone out over the years but it gets wearing. Thing is a couple of people who know us asked me 'does he always speak to you like that' when they overheard him, and I found it embarrassing when I thought about it that yes he does. I have since become far more responsive and then get comments like 'is it national arse day' if he isn't liking what i am saying. Like you, not sure anymore if its for me and that's after 20 odd years. Some of the time he is charming, fun and we share a lot of similar tastes etc but the shittiness aspects are very upsetting.

MsNobodyHere · 11/12/2019 18:20

Well done for deciding to take a break OP. I hope you don't go back. He sounds awful and no doubt this home life would produce anxious children who walk around on eggshells aeound their dad. It's not worth it.

rvby · 11/12/2019 18:33

Oh OP I'm so sorry. He sounds like a version of my ex, only mine also had psychopathic jealousy on top of the blatant disrespect.

Calling you emotionally unstable is so shit because if he REALLY thinks that of you, then why the fuck is he trying to get you to stay and have kids with him?? He's simply lying to himself. If he thought that of you he wouldn't want kids with you. The truth is he has shit relationship skills and wants you to shut the fuck up about it.

I've always given him a lot of push-back when he's been behaving like an ass. I've always called it out. It's just now, I'm just tired of doing so and there's shouldn't be a need for it so often. It's hard work.

I'm with you. It was the same with me. Only I did go on and have DC because I thought I could cope with it, I was a bit younger than you are now and still had my energy.

Once the DC were there, though, I basically broke down over time. Because I didn't have enough energy to care for DC, defend myself psychologically from him, and also arrange life so that it wouldn't annoy him (because if he got annoyed he'd take it out on both me and DC).

It was horrendous.

I really hope you don't go back to him. I want better for you x

CandyFlossSkies · 11/12/2019 20:55

I started to reiterate to him today that if I move, he's not coming with me. When I told him that it was fucked up to call me emotionally unstable, he said that I'm not generally emotionally unstable bit that I am right now because I'm unhappy with multiple parts of my life, (which is true). This though, does not negate all of the issues I've experienced. It doesn't make all of the times he barked 'STOP TALKING' at me suddenly go away. It does not negate the fact that we've been out many times somewhere and I might as well have been by myself because he was distant, silent, or just mentally not there. Either that or moody.

You know what? So much of the abusive language has come at times where he was playing FPS games online. It's remarkable how much it went down when he's cut it out. His manager also has helped him get his stress levels down by simply saying he should just let go and not care so much about everything. Even if he wasn't with me, I would really recommend that he sorts out his stressy tendency because it would just improve his own quality of life.

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Interestedwoman · 11/12/2019 20:55

Do not have children with this man. You know it's a bad idea. My dad was like this and it has damaged my sister and I. It made two people who are so often on edge- because our brains formed that way, in that 'walking on eggshells' environment.

Nor do you have to live this way yourself. Leave, and don't look back.

Elieza · 11/12/2019 21:46

His way is speaking to you has been a reminder for you that you are doing the right thing by leaving.

You will be soooo much happier.

Get down to womens aid. They gave loads of good advice.

Jaffacakesaremyfave · 11/12/2019 22:32

I'm so glad you have decided to leave OP. Please be aware that leaving an abusive relationship is the most dangerous time. Have you considered he could be a narcissist?