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Conflicted. Am I impatient or a fling?

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Moses12 · 01/12/2019 13:45

Met a guy online few months ago and we clicked. He chased me lots, texts dates and compliments. However I don’t feel he is invested as me now as it’s all slowed down. We had a chat last month and agreed to be exclusive. But something is bothering me about the chat. He said he was not ready to be 100% committed. I pressed him on this and he said moving in together and spending all our time together. For me 100% committed is exclusivity.

Background - We are both late 30s, busy life's and try to see each other 1/2 times a week. He has a teenage child I have not met, who seems to be going through the terrible teens with an attitude problem. She stays over twice a week and alternative weekends. So I don’t see or hear from him much on those days. He is a teacher and also started his own business. We live 40 miles away and mostly communicate via text. I work long hours and have hobbies and an active social life and no kids. But we try to make time - mostly round his childcare.

His past relationships have always been with people with kids and seemed dysfunctional. Moving in within a few months, Very codependent and spending every waking minute with each other. He admitted he lost contact with friends, family and at times his relationship with his child suffered. I am the opposite, rather get to know someone, maintain my friends and no kids. At the start of our relationship he said he has enjoyed reconnecting with people and won’t lose his friends again - he realised he needed a life outside of a relationship. I agreed

Up till the chat, he seemed disinterested- like I was a fling. He still made time but never planned in advance our dates - business, kid and friends priority. We mostly communicate via daily texts, but at times he never reads them, even when active online. He mostly travels to see me. He works in my city, so travels to work, goes home to feed cats and then comes to mine - 120 miles travel in a day which I feel is a lot of it’s a fling.

I initiated the chat as was feeling insecure. He said he liked me and admitted being independent in a relationship was new to him and he may have gone too independent. He liked our dynamic and taking things slow was something he needed to do, as hurt in the past. He said he had not dated anyone since our 1st date. He apologised as didn’t realise I felt that way, now we plan better.

However, I feel I am moving down the priority list. He has been busy selling at markets this weekend and not communicating much. That’s fine as it’s his business, it’s important. But today, we had evening plans For him to stay over, initiated by him and he delayed them. He texted to say he has his kid later than planned today had lots of business orders, so can we do tomorrow instead.

Last week he said his cars ongoing fault appeared again. Last time it appeared he cancelled our date and didn’t reschedule or say sorry. I thought he was making excuses again, but he said we could still met if I went to his. I ended up watching tv, chatting to him as he did business. Not quality time. He apologised lots for working and said not ideal, but due to our schedules we won’t see each other for ages and he wanted to see me.

So today’s text I replied that’s fine, which he Has not acknowledged. No point getting huffy, but it’s annoying. I feel I am down his priority list, will never be up there. He has family coming across from abroad ins few weeks and no mention of us meeting.

I understand His kid is top priority and his business will be busy for Xmas. However how can we develop a relationship if he is always so busy. It seemed he upped his game after the chat and now going back to habits. Am I right to feel I am not important in his life, like a fling? Or should I understand he is busy and appreciate that he plans may change due to childcare? Conflicted.

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rvby · 01/12/2019 16:34

You have only just met. You seem pretty intense for so early on. I was in your bf shoes several years ago and it took us a full year to have any exclusivity chat. Because it takes a long time to know someone enough to get that intense.

Also why are you exlcusive with someone who doesnt spend much time with you, and who you dont know very well? Did you assume that exclusivity would force his hand into being more attentive of you?

I feel like one shouldn't ask for exclusivity until there is a base relationship of trust and lots of time spent together... just my tuppence based on my own experience.

You haven't given this guy time to prove he is worth your exclusivity. The behaviour hes shown to you so far shows hes not that fussed. But I suspect you felt that asking for exclusivity would cause his behaviour to change... just remember that words are very cheap. Actions are the only real way to judge people's intentions and whether they are a good fit for you.

Moses12 · 01/12/2019 16:50

I know. I think he can’t give me what I want. I suspect this is why he moved in quickly with people before. I have all these thoughts in my head which I have never had with past relationships that is making me feel internally clingy to him. Externally I am obviously chilled. Confused.

I dint know if it’s because we click And haven’t had that click for a while. When together it’s all good. Think I need to get my thoughts together first before I chat to him again.

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Moses12 · 01/12/2019 16:54

5 months. We had the chat as I am sleeping with him and don’t want either to be sleeping with others. I think after 4 months it as only right to define our relationship. If he was not after a relationship then I was out of there.

Out time spent together hasn’t changed since the start. Due to schedules and distance we can only see each other 2 times a week. We are a slow burner.

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TheVanguardSix · 01/12/2019 16:55

I just think his life is based too far away from yours and you can't merge your lives because of his priorities elsewhere (and yours too!). Does that make sense?
Basically, it's a long-distance relationship which isn't quite working, if you're honest with yourself. Sorry, OP. You should be feeling cherished, appreciated, and a part of something that is evolving, not some guy's hobby.

Moses12 · 01/12/2019 16:56

Moving in was mentioned by him, as he said last relationships he moved in quickly. I stated nowhere near ready.

His 100% commitment is moving in and mine is not seeing others.

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Loopytiles · 01/12/2019 17:01

Not that into you. He has stated what his current priorities are. They don’t align to yours.

Not great that when he has a DC he made such poor judgment in previous relationships!

No one is or should be “100% committed” less than six months into a new relationship. Exclusivity - fine.

rvby · 01/12/2019 17:04

I understand there is a common idea that if you sleep with someone you should somehow ensure that they arent sleeping with other people.

I'm not sure why it's still a thing, because it doesnt do anything to the relationship. Is it to prevent diseases? Because condoms are more effective than trusting someone not to lie. Again words are cheap. Is it to prevent questions about paternity in the event of a pregnancy? Or to corral resources from a potential father to a potential child? Again extremely old fashioned, and again, not even effective because people lie all the time.

I appreciate that's not the accepted way of thinking about exclusivity but I do think as women we benefit from slowing down and actually asking ourselves WHY we have certain "traditional" dating behaviors, and who those behaviors benefit.

Did you actually WANT to be exclusive with him? Is he actually enough for you, does he add so much to your life that you dont want other potential mates around? It doesn't sound like that's the case to me but perhaps you feel differently.

If it were me, I'd never have asked for exclusivity with someone who is this distant and half arsed. If I were in your position now, I'd retract the exclusive thing and get back on a dating app, with this current man way on the back burner, now that I've seen hes not that great and doesnt add enough to my life.

TimeforanotherChange · 01/12/2019 17:06

I think I'd give it to the New Year and see how I felt.

If I still felt in another month/6 weeks that I was down low on his list of priorities I'd wish him well and move on.

HollowTalk · 01/12/2019 17:26

There doesn't seem to be any point in being with this guy, OP. He lives quite far away, so you can't casually meet up. His daughter sounds very unhappy and needs a lot of attention from her parents right now. He's not that keen on being committed and yet when he is committed he dives straight into living with someone - that sounds very immature.

I'd wish him well and look elsewhere.

HollowTalk · 01/12/2019 17:27

Btw, what does he sell in the markets?

Moses12 · 01/12/2019 17:42

He sells handmade crafts.

Yes he is outside my usual dating radius. I was hesitant at first but he grew on me. Yes his kid sounds unhappy, so I am keeping out of it. He discusses it with me and I sympathise but never push my views on him. I know and don’t want that to be my place. We try and make it work, but that’s where I am conflicted. Is this the getting to know you phase or do I want something he can’t give? He says he can, but actions. He has said he has learnt from the past and likes our dynamic, but I feel he is too busy. For me, think I shall see what Xmas brings and make up my mind.

As said before this is a unusual to cancel, but deep down I think this will end soon.

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ElloBrian · 02/12/2019 08:05

So this guy has rushed into precious relationships to the extent of moving his girlfriends into his house? While he has a child? That must have been very confusing and destabilising for his child. It sounds as though he has issues with boundaries and is trying to work on that by handling things differently this time. That means taking it slowly. Sounds as though it’s a busy time of year for him and you’ve had a bit of bad luck with scheduling recently. I would give it til the new year and meantime step back a little, bit game playing but just give him a bit of space to handle all the competing priorities in his life. Then once Christmas is over, see what things look like in January. It may be that with a bit of time things settle down and look clearer.

ElloBrian · 02/12/2019 08:05

Previous not precious Blush

ElloBrian · 02/12/2019 08:06
  • NOT game playing. Ffs autocorrect.
Sotoes · 02/12/2019 08:33

I really wouldn't end things now. Give it at least another month when he will be less busy and on school break.

How he handles Christmas and new year will tell you a lot.

TheStuffedPenguin · 02/12/2019 08:59

Distance is one of your problems - as you say if you were closer you could see each other at short notice. I think I would be tempted to say to him - look this is a really busy time of the year for everyone so let's just agree to scale it back for now and see how things are in the New Year . In that way he can decide whether he does need to make more of an effort and if indeed he wants to have a relationship with you . It also gives you some space to think about this . I would even suggest you get out there and enjoy yourself .

user1481840227 · 02/12/2019 09:06

Of course his daughter will act like that if he has a history of going all in very quickly into new relationships, becoming codependent and spending all his time with them. I'm not sure why he or you would blame her for that.

I also don't get why he barely contacts you when he has his daughter over, at 15 she's unlikely to be hanging around with him all the time, she's more than likely in her room for a lot of the time or using her phone etc.

CousinKrispy · 02/12/2019 09:20

If he's selling handmade crafts and trying to get that business established, the runup to Christmas is going to be really key for him. That doesn't necessarily mean you're not important to him, but if his business is also important, he's going to need to give it some focus at this time.

And I agree with ElloBrian. If he's now realized that he shouldn't be rushing into moving in with new partners, that's really positive, but his daughter may still be dealing with emotional fallout from it happening before. She is going to need patience from both of you and be allowed to be top priority for her dad.

If you really don't feel happy about sharing your partner with his child and with his other commitments, then maybe you should let him go and find somebody who doesn't have kids (or whose kids are grown). Otherwise I'd echo the suggestion to wait until after Christmas and see how you feel once you get back to normality. Holidays can be a funny time anyway.

CruellaDeVille2019 · 02/12/2019 09:41

If he sells handmade crafts then the run up to Christmas will be seriously busy for him. If you feel like you really click and having to cancel is a rare occurance, back off and give him chance to do what he needs to for his business and DD. Enjoy the time you get with him. Once he gets into the new year his work should slow down and if he is interested in a proper relationship you should start seeing more of him.

It sounds to me like his previous relationships haven't been healthy. He needs to have time with his friends and any relationship that prevents that is not a balanced relationship. Take a step back and allow things to progress naturally without pressure. Keep your own friends and hobbies as well. You should end up in a much more secure, happier relationship.

Moses12 · 02/12/2019 19:51

Thanks. Yes I am not pressuring him. I have grown up with self employed parents so I understand the struggle. He is coming round tonight.

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Moses12 · 02/12/2019 19:55

I dint want to meet his daughter yet. I feel they need To establish their relationship and us ours. She knows I am about though.

He has admitted his past relationships were very fast and he got stuck. The moved in with them. I have no interest in this just now. I have my own independence, which he found hard at first, but is enjoying his. I think he has moved too far away from codependent and is trying to find the balance. I am more used to the text book healthy relationships, so maybe it’s just us finding balance that’s the issue.

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Aussiebean · 02/12/2019 20:38

I think he like the idea of being in a relationship and probably does like you.

But, he has a damaged relationship with his child to fix.

He is a teacher with its high workload

He is starting his own business which requires weekend work.

He chose to date someone 40miles away.

If he was honest with himself before you started dating, he probably would have realised he didn’t have the time or headspace to get involved with someone right now.

Moses12 · 02/12/2019 20:52

Yip and we had that discussion. We try to make time on set days. It’s the companionship I think he likes and I need to figure out if that’s what I need. I works as I am busy with my life, but how long? He is round tonight and saying he will be quiet in January so we will have more time. We shall see

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