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Just don't know what to think about my marriage

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Danielradcliffesperfectarse · 01/12/2019 13:01

OK sorry this might be long but I am so confused I feel I need to get it all down.
I'm going to be completely honest even though I'm going to be slated completely, I deserve it.
Married 12 years, together 17. 2 children, under 10ys.
We met when I was mid 20s, we shared a house, it got very serious very quickly. I remember thinking that it was scary at the time as very committed. Renting together within a year, bought our own doer Upper within 3 years, married after 5. When he asked me I also felt trepidation and wasn't sure entirely it was what I wanted but it was what you did I think, so that was that, married. 2 children later I'm now having doubts nearly every day. It goes through periods when we are happy, usually with the kids, going out, doing things, holidays, although more recently not really even then, our last holiday was quite strained, I just felt constantly like I did all the parenting. It's been a theme really for years, he's very messy and I can be controlling I guess, I just have naturally taken on all of the family admin and house work. He will do it if asked, but only if asked really. Which I find overwhelming. If I don't do it, it doesn't get done.
Recently though, and over the last 5 years or so, I've found myself daydreaming about life without him.
Specifically life with someone else, someone who is a friend who I have massive sexual chemistry with. We've exchanged texts which are sexual in nature and quite frankly were mind blowing, I have never felt so turned on or alive. We've talked quite frankly about how we feel about each other. It's not just lust, it's been 6 years of growing feelings. We talk like brilliant friends and if we didn't have the attraction we would be best friends. I've tried to deal with it in the past by blocking him, cutting contact etc. It always works for a few months, then starts to be a problem again. Recent developments are only the last 2 months. I miss him terribly but NC is for the best.
I have told DH about him, that he likes me and I'm flattered, that we get on and I like the attention. I wasn't totally honest, as since telling him, the texts happened, and one kiss. Which again, was amazing. I've never felt that electric thing with DH. I literally felt like what, is this what it's meant to feel like?! But then I also know the hormones will be kicking in, the endorphins from it being illicit, I know that and I'm not romanticising OM, he's got tons of flaws and it wouldn't be practical to be with him, even if I were single.

I'm not excusing my behaviour but several times over the last few years I've asked for help, more input, more support, it's never really happened. I've organised nights away, nights out, dates, time to ourselves. Don't romantic things and enjoyed doing them for him. But I've also asked for practical help, small things like him getting up earlier to help getting the kids out the door, rather than only getting up 20mins before he leaves (I'm already up an hour by then) and worrying about himself getting to work on time only (he leaves to get to work 30 mins early, so is never late, if I'm running around sorting the kids he just leaves anyway) whereas I rely on the children getting in the car, getting all the school stuff done, leaving to drop them at childcare, often then being late due to traffic. My potential journey could be 20 mins to work, but because I do all the drop offs etc, it's nearly an hour every day, each way. Things like him not driving, when we live rurally. Refuses to learn. I work in a professional job where I leave early in order to make sure the children are collected from school by me at least once a week, meaning I have to work late at home in the evenings to compensate, often till the early hours, whereas he stays late every night and wouldn't even think about leaving on time, unless I ask. Sometimes won't even then. He travels a lot for work, which is difficult, but I actually find it easier not having him home. There's just no interaction, when he walks in the door from being away for 3 or 4 days, or even a week or so, I don't even get a kiss, or I missed you. Will always buy me something from duty free.. But it's not what I want.
Dh is genuinely a lovely, hardworking person who I know loves me. Generous with money and gifts, not particularly one for displays of affection, unless drunk. Does say 'love you' if prompted but only if prompted. More telling I guess is that I can't, and never have said, I love you to him. Just love you. I feel starved of affection, but also more recently when I hug him or kiss him I feel nothing. Sex is about weekly, very routine, but more recently I just can't bring myself to do it. Last time was in the dark, horribly uncomfortable and I felt nothing, I really had to almost go somewhere else in my head to get through it. Its been OK in the past, never really amazing. But OK. And maybe more regular than now, but with lots of effort, making myself do it even if I couldn't be bothered. He sometimes suffers from Ed. He drinks a lot, not during the week, but at weekends. And will drink then fall asleep on the sofa, leaving me to go to bed on my own. He is tired, I know that, so I feel bad telling him I'm unhappy with this. But drinking is sometimes a problem, because even when we are out as a family, he will be looking for where he can get a beer, or if we've had a night away, it always includes a lot of alcohol, more recently he passed out spreadeagled on the bed, preventing me from sleeping, on a night away from the children.

I do have this friend in my head, I know that's clouding my judgement. We are NC now and he's told me to sort things out with my husband and to be happier, he's said he wants that and is going to keep away so it can happen. Doesn't stop me missing him.
I can't stop thinking about him, I can't bring myself to make the effort with DH. I know I need to really really try. I need to tell him about the friend, again, and tell him it's escalated. I kind of just want to get Christmas out of the way first though for the children. I really really don't want to hurt him, he's going to be angry and devastated. I feel about him though as I would about a friend, I don't want to hurt him, but don't feel in love with him. I certainly don't feel like I'm attracted to him right now.
I'm waiting on counselling because I'm so down all the time now, I would like to go to couples counselling, but again, mentioned it months ago, he said OK, then never talked about it again. Same as when a few weeks ago I told him I wasn't happy and wanted to have my own counselling, that I felt overwhelmed etc and lonely, he put a few loads of washing on for a week or so but nothing changed really.
I'm just lost. I don't know what to do. When I consider a life without him all I think about is how hurt he would be and how we would manage practically, how I'd feel bad about taking him out of a home he's worked on and improved...I don't think I'd miss him. Its mental. I almost feel relief when I think about him coming home and telling me it's over, or when he's away, which he is now. It's like a weight has lifted as I don't have to try to have a conversation, which is met with 1 word barely muttered answers, or by him staring at his phone.
I know I'm at fault, for 5 years, on and off, of thinking about someone else. I think maybe I've distanced myself more recently, plus I feel guilt, which is probably making me not want to be near him... I just don't know. I don't know if these feelings are triggered by the OM or if the feelings for him are a symptom. I know I have felt attraction to other men before that, sometimes quite intensely, while with DH.

I spent last night crying because all I want to do is talk to the other man, which is awful. I'm really really going to do non contact, because I need to get to a place where my head is clear of the friend/OM and where DH know how serious it is and how we both need to work on things, if he wants to. But at the same time I really actually don't want to..

Wow OK that was long. Sorry.
Not even sure what I want. Probably a kicking, because I've had an affair, but also has anyone come out of this the other side with a positive outcome? Even if that was counselling and a break up. Or a stronger marriage? I feel awful when I read things on here about horrible abusive husbands, because he's none of those things, I just don't really know if I love him enough to try, or if I can get back to a better place, if he wants me to stay.

OP posts:
BallacheForLife · 01/12/2019 13:18

To be honest it sounds like you've checked out of your marriage and it would be best for you both to call it a day. Just end it.
Brace yourself OP you will probably get some very scathing responses.

SuperbMonkey · 01/12/2019 13:22

OP it isn’t fair to your DH to continue with your marriage unless you are able to talk to him honestly and make a plan for the future which you can both get excited about. From what you say it seems unlikely that you can do this. Let your DH go to be with someone who loves him in the way that you cannot. I wish my husband had been able to do that for me years ago.

Danielradcliffesperfectarse · 01/12/2019 17:22

Yes. I agree, I've not been fair. I've acted terribly. I would love it if I could have dome of that excitement and that feeling if being lived back. I need to give it to get it though. I'm trying. I'm hoping counselling will help.

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ISmellBabies · 01/12/2019 17:27

Soooo self absorbed. You're not trapped in thia marriage but you're acting like you are. Just end it. Then you and your h are both free to pursue happiness. Problem solved. Get on with it.

LucyLovesCheese · 01/12/2019 17:56

Except for the other man your post was so similar to my situation.

The drinking and passing out on weekend, not driving, not sharing any of the mental load, the agreement to go to counselling then nothing happening. It’s depressing and frustrating.
I am currently trying to get the words out to tell him I want to separate.
It’s took me a long time to decide this.
What helped was to think about what your husband brings to your life, does he do anything to show his love for you, do you want to carry on like this?
Another big thing for me is that I don’t want to start a new decade like I am now (sounds silly I know).
I read your post like you know what you need to do but are finding it hard to reach the place where you are ready.
As for the other man you know it’s wrong and not sustainable even if you split with your dh so keep no contact and focus on your kids.
Good luck with it all

SlightlyBonkersQFA · 01/12/2019 18:09

The friend is a peg to hang your escapism on.
You need the escapism because your marriage is so bad.

I did this too shortly before i left awful xh.

One thing at a time.
End the marriage.
Disentangle.
Recover.

DesMartinsPetCat · 01/12/2019 18:10

This hand-wringing, self-absorbed, martyrdom is tough to read so I only got a quarter of the way through but, based on what I did read, you need to do everyone a favour and end your marriage. You don’t have clear boundaries so take yourself out of the boundary of marriage.

NoFun21 · 01/12/2019 18:42

Why are people attacking her? This is meant to be a space to be open about the issues you experience and hers are all valid. Her marriage sounds exhausting and hopeless. They both sound depressed. I think this other man is more predatory than he seems and is telling you to work on your marriage in full knowledge that this will
Make you more keen on him. I would tell your husband that he needs to book counselling with you and address his drinking.or the marriage is over see what happens. Forget about this other man for now.

Danielradcliffesperfectarse · 01/12/2019 19:38

Thanks all, yes, I expected to get a hard time, it's fine. I'm giving myself a hard enough of a talking to!
OM aside, who yes, I know is clearly not in the right and needs to be out of the equation totally, I still have days when DH makes an effort, things are OK, it's not been full on misery for 17 years... Its just not been happy, for a good 6 years, I've had feelings, very strong feelings, for someone else. Which I keep going back to thinking must mean I don't love him. But then we've had some nice times, we have 2 lovely children, we've got some shared interests... I just feel like it's all such a massive effort, I hear myself sniping and bring passive aggressive towards him... I just don't know.
The thought of another 40 or 50 years together, once the kids are grown up...
Just despair really. Then I think well he's happy enough, if I make an effort, try harder, we go out and stuff, I have sex, we can pootle along just fine. Get a hobby, spend more time doing as we like separately as the children get older.. But maybe I'll just always have this crushing feeling that both of us could be happier. I also think, well I'm not bloody dead yet, maybe I want fantastic sex, someone who comes home and seems really pleased to see me, someone who tries to interact with the children or is home before they go to bed maybe once or twice a week...
Problem is I'm scared I think of all the mess that's going to happen if we split... It just seems overwhelming.
I know I'm being pathetic and self absorbed and he's the wronged one, but it didn't come from nowhere.. I feel so miserable I'm just on the verge of tears all the time and whilst I guess this will lessen after time, I just hate the thought of my daughter growing up thinking mum doing everything, and being just a bit unhappy, and her parents showing little to no affection to each other, is normal.
He's been away since yesterday morning and apart from being down in general about the situation and missing OM loads because we've agreed not to talk at all, I've had a lovely couple of days.

OP posts:
Sally2791 · 01/12/2019 19:54

He sounds like someone who sucks the joy out of life. Surely he must feel there’s something missing?and he could motivate himself to make changes. If not and what you describe is all he wants, then you are incompatible.
Either way, time for a big conversation and be prepared for major upheaval.
If you remain as you are you will just become bitter and resentful. Good luck

Danielradcliffesperfectarse · 01/12/2019 20:08

Yes. That resonates. Thing is he wasn't always. He's fine around other, if he's had a drink. If I have too then he's fun. If I haven't he's annoying.
I see him in talks with others, on group chats and out and he's chatty, funny, endearing. With me he's got very little to say.
It's probably my fault, I think the resentment is already there.

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ISmellBabies · 01/12/2019 20:45

I'm not saying it's your fault. Fault is irrelevant at this time really. The marriage is never going to be good, is it? Staying in it with no prospect of long term happiness is just wasting both of your time.

user1471469606 · 01/12/2019 22:01

OP - your DH is depressed - and what’s likely to be a huge factor is your relationship- he knows something a wrong but can’t put his finger on it. You’re deceiving him - you take solace and sustenance from another relationship-he can’t figure out the distance between you - takes solace in alcohol.

category12 · 01/12/2019 22:23

Time to quit.

Danielradcliffesperfectarse · 02/12/2019 09:18

Yes, possibly. He's always been a drinker, since before we were married. He's an insomniac too. Just never has addressed it. I think we are both depressed to be honest.

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Itsonlyme35 · 02/12/2019 11:55

It sounds to me like you & your husband could do with some time together on your own.
Marriage isn’t always heart & flowers, it sounds like your marriage isn’t bad but you’ve both just lost your way a little & just forgotten to ask each other how you are feeling.
I can remember reading a story years ago about this women who became bored in her long relationship, she did leave him in the end & years later realised what she had had & if she & her partner had talked more the relationship wouldn’t have ended.
The story was actually quite sad as the women never met another man like her partner again & he met someone else years later which she dreading hearing about them being engaged or have a baby She realised ( much too late ) her relationship wasn’t boring like she thought it was at the time that really she was actually contempt & they had both got lazy & she never told her partner how she felt until she left him & he was devastated.
Obviously I don’t know you’re relationship I’m just reading on here.
There is a lot at risk to just throw away for this friend of yours.
Remember the grass isn’t always greener however if you are truly unhappy you must tell your husband.
Wishing you luck x

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