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Managing my hot-cold cousin help please

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Whathewhatnow · 29/11/2019 10:38

I love my cousin but she drives me slightly bonkers. I need help fathoming what’s going on, and advice on how to manage our relationship.

She has loads of friends, and is gregarious and charismatic. People generally love her when they meet her. My friend love her and universally think she's great. She was my closest cousin growing up.

When we do get together now we generally have a great time, and have shared stuff about our lives. At these times, I feel like she really gets me, and me her - in fact she has said exactly that to me during these good, fun times. It's the kind of relationship I have with lots of my other friends and some family, at these times: all good.

And then…. We both go home and she will essentially shut down and withdraw. She’ll be dismissive of any suggestions for meeting up or going out for a while – sometimes quite brutally so. If I try to pick up a thread of conversation we had, she'll shut me down by deliberately misconstruing texts etc, and answering a different question to the one I asked. I.e., "how are you feeling about xyz" which she'd told me was bothering her will get " yeh, I'm really enjoying myself watching this new box set", must dash".. it's weird!

If it was just me that got the hot-cold treatment, I’d take it as a sign that she wanted less contact/ closeness with me in particular, and that I was being overbearing or needy or something. But this pattern is repeated with other family members and friends – many of who have lost patience with her over the years.

She hasn’t been in a relationship for quite a while – She once told me she can’t deal with the feeling of people depending on her or expecting things of her. This struck me as significant. She had an on-off thing with a guy who she withdrew from eventually because he ‘was always wanting her to be there’ for x or y. I’m not sure he was expecting anything at all other than what you’d normally expect of someone you were shagging on more than a casual basis!

Talking to her about this stuff is an absolute no. Tried once, didn’t see her for dust for two months.

Part of me feels sad for her, and a little bit cross also, because so often things seem to be on her terms. I’m also left wondering whether the closeness we sometimes share is... real, almost. I feel quite hurt when she withdraws, although I’ve come to realise it’s probably not about me.

Does anyone else know someone like this, and if so, what is it all about? Fear of intimacy? Avoidant? What?

And importantly… how the hell do you manage your relationship?

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MaybeDoctor · 29/11/2019 10:40

She’s just flaky. I think you just have to decide if you can accept it or not.

Whathewhatnow · 29/11/2019 11:06

I'm not sure it is just flakiness though. I have flaky friends. I know they're flaky and I treat them accordingly. But there's more going on here.

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PicsInRed · 29/11/2019 11:09

She's avoidant.

Whathewhatnow · 29/11/2019 11:12

That is what I've been thinking picsinred. Why are people avoidant? Loads online about therapy for avoidant people but less about why people might be like this.

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Whathewhatnow · 29/11/2019 11:42

I've just done a bit more reading and there are certainly a lot of bells going off around the avoidant concept...

Her mum was not really there for her emotionally and instilled the concept of original sin in to her really quite effectively Hmm ... "even my own kids are fallen people" sort of thing. Her dad just worked 80 hours a week!

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PicsInRed · 29/11/2019 11:52

I would imagine that early experience with those supposed to be closest to her taught her that even the closest people aren't safe, will hurt you and will use you if you let them.

Did her mother lean heavily on her emotionally?
I think at least some "avoidance" is more a case of a fear of being used in that way again. A defence mechanism.

AFistfulofDolores1 · 29/11/2019 11:54

@Whathewhatnow - Here you go. This should explain it for you - it's one of the clearer examples:

Whathewhatnow · 29/11/2019 13:02

@PicsInRed thank you. Yes, definitely lots of emotional leaning and she has disengaged from her mum, largely. Lived abroad for quite a long time! I'm sure you're right about the protection element too.
@AFistfulofDolores1 that is such a great username. Thank you for the video.

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Whathewhatnow · 29/11/2019 13:03

That vid... oh my. Her to a tee. Very suspicious of people.

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AtrociousCircumstance · 29/11/2019 13:09

She certainly sounds avoidant OP. Also, you sound over-invested. You’re too enmeshed with her. Give the relationship space. She will never provide real closeness.

I had a friend a bit like this and it takes a while to work out that their vivacity and intense intimacy is not indication of real connection - just a state they move in and out of, regardless of who they are with.

Whathewhatnow · 29/11/2019 13:11

Atrocious I'm sure you're right. I dont have siblings so I've always thought of her as a quasi sibling I suppose. But the thing you said about vivacity and intense intimacy being a state people move in and out of.... that has really struck a chord.

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Whathewhatnow · 29/11/2019 13:12

How sad :( for everyone, especially her. I have plenty of uncomplicated intimacy elsewhere. I cant imagine what it's like to live without that.

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PotteryWheel · 29/11/2019 13:14

But the 'problem' in this case is yours alone, OP. She's managing your relationship in the way she feels comfortable with occasional meetings and no contact in between those and which she also uses with other people and in romantic relationships. You're the one who wants more. Her attachment style isn't something you need to diagnose, you just need to come to terms with the fact that she can't give you what you want from the relationship.

AFistfulofDolores1 · 29/11/2019 13:19

@Whathewhatnow - I'm glad it helped explain things. I was anxious-avoidant because of my own childhood. Things can change, but unless and until they do, then hoping for the person to be any different is pointless. They simply are who they are.

BlastEndedSkrewt · 29/11/2019 13:21

Are you trying to have a romantic relationship with her OP?

It sort of reads that way

Whathewhatnow · 29/11/2019 13:25

With my cousin??? Hmm

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Whathewhatnow · 29/11/2019 13:26

I do understand the issue is mine. Sort of. Thanks also for those comments!

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BlastEndedSkrewt · 29/11/2019 13:30

this is what I thought OP - thought it best to check

OutThereSomewhere · 29/11/2019 13:31

Is she an introvert? They find interacting with others draining and need down time to unload and recharge.

wheresmymojo · 29/11/2019 13:31

Just be careful not to fall into the trap of trying to 'fix her' - not only is that not your job but she can only fix herself, any attempt from you to try is likely to push her away.

The only thing you can do is accept her for who is she is and the extent of relationship she's capable of having.

AFistfulofDolores1 · 29/11/2019 13:32

Avoidants tend to bring out a co-dependent streak in many of us. Because, of course, we'll be the one who breaks through their complex exterior to get to that warm, beating heart that's yearning to be seen. Instead, we tend to get the opposite - which is a message for us (and only for us) in and of itself.

Whathewhatnow · 29/11/2019 13:44

You are all very wise. I'll take her for what she is.

The codependency thing... hmmm... now you mention it. Several of my romantic relarionships/ proto/ failed dalliances have fallen into this camp...

God, we all need therapy dont we?!?!?!

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Whathewhatnow · 29/11/2019 13:48

Cf my other recent thread about the chap who fully does the emotional intimacy side of things but doesnt want to f* me, the virgin who was scared of women... oh my goodness. I see a pattern.

A few other friends I have this fixer dynamic with too. Thankfully I have lots of really easy friends and rather more uncomplicated family members, and a fair few who try to fix me for balance!

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AFistfulofDolores1 · 29/11/2019 13:50

God, we all need therapy dont we?!?!?!

That may well be true! :)

But perhaps your cousin has done you a huge favour by shining a light on something you otherwise wouldn't have seen about yourself?

Carl Jung, whose work I generally admire greatly, said that "Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves." Which I find is a dreadful bugger when I'm getting irritated (which is a perfect word, because anger can often mean something else), because I can only be righteous for a split-second before the need for a deeper enquiry makes itself known!

Woollycardi · 29/11/2019 14:39

Yep we do pretty much all need therapy, what an absolute fucker of a realisation.
I wonder if she just doesn't want to go into stuff by text? I have a friend who loves having massive long text conversations about emotional stuff, whereas it makes me feel quite sad to discuss that stuff over a phone on text message so I don't tend to go into stuff like that with her that way. We've become more distant maybe because of that, but that way of communicating doesn't suit everyone. Just give her space and I would agree with looking at what this is bringing up in yourself.

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