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Brother's girlfriend causing grief

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Tabitha005 · 26/11/2019 16:51

I'm asking for advice predominantly because I used to be pretty confrontational in years gone by, and have subsequently tempered my temper and learned not to be so reactionary..... until now.

My brother lives overseas with his girlfriend of around 3 years. Whilst I didn't dislike her when I first got to know her, and actually quite enjoyed her company, she's become increasingly difficult over the past year or so.

She's from South America and told me that when she was a teenager, she would fantasise about having an 'English boyfriend'. She's got this rose-tinted vision of a Hugh Grant type bringing her roses every day and reading her poetry in a punt.... and, whilst my brother is considerate, caring and loving, he's definitely NOT any one of Hugh Grant's more romantic characters.

She started bitching about the way my brother 'treats' her some months ago - telling me how he never gives her flowers or made romantic gestures. I laughed it off and essentially said; 'You picked the wrong bloke if that's what you're after'. At the time, I didn't know she was starting to snipe constantly at my brother (who would never instantly come running to me with his problems) and accuse him of not loving her enough, of potentially 'abandoning' her (more on that in a mo).

She comes from a very screwed up, deeply religious family. Her father left her mother in her mid-teens and she's got this obsession with being 'abandoned'. She's lived with mental health issues over this since the age of 15, has been in and out of therapy and on anti-depressants etc since then. Whenever I've spoken to her about her issues, she strikes me as someone utterly unprepared to consider changing her approach to situations, being convinced that everyone else is 'wrong' and she's 'done nothing wrong'. I feel she's quite narcissistic and unable to examine her own actions, or dig down in any particular depth into her own personality - preferring, instead, to simply pin all her issues on her parent's splitting up and her father 'abandoning' her.

As a family, we have never argued - it's just not in our nature - and we rarely have disagreements of any kind. However, my brother approached me for advice, after a little nudge on my part to ask him if he was OK as he seemed a bit down and uncommunicative. The floodgates opened, and a litany of episodes of his girlfriend's behaviour poured out - screaming, shouting, accusations (all unfounded, unwilling to hear reason or enter into discussion over them), general complaints along the previous lines of 'not being romantic enough' etc, throwing things, disappearing for days without letting my brother know where she was and if she was OK (doing a bit of 'abandonment' of her own, imho).

My brother and I discussed things at length and, when he told his girlfriend he and I had been talking, she went off the richter scale angry - and has now been sending me frankly offensive texts and messages (that I haven't responded to) accusing me of 'getting involved' and 'having no right' (to talk to my own brother, I assume).

My view is she's a lazy, manipulative, narcissistic terror that my brother should get the eff rid of and avoid forevermore, but, I know things aren't that easy for him. She keeps 'threatening' to go back to Brazil and that he'll never seer her again (if only!) and making increasingly strident and unreasonable demands about cutting me, my parents and my sister out of his life if he wants to stay with her.

My brother is a gentle soul - he would never chuck her out on the street (the flat they rent is in his name only as she can't be arsed to work for a living and prefers living on the good grace of the generous German state - she's 37 and seems unable to hold down a job. Up until early last year her mother was still sending her an allowance, ffs). My brother is stressed, worried, feeling he can't do anything to end the relationship once and for all because asking her to move out of their flat would, in effect, be making her homeless - despite the fact she's got friends all over Europe that she's always running off to at the drop of a hat, so could easily find somewhere else to stay for a while.

My current mood is to give it to her with both barrels about what an utter prick she is - which is why I thought a bit of a cathartic rant on here might be a better idea.

I'm also fairly forgiving and, having lived through my own mental health stuff, know that life ain't always a bed of roses. However, her resolute defiance in refusing to seek proper help or even begin to start being less of an absolute arsehole to my brother 24-7 isn't making me feel pleasantly inclined towards her right now!

WWYD?

OP posts:
GrumpyHoonMain · 26/11/2019 16:54

Your DB could ask for the rental agreement to end and just leave. That’s what I would do personally - she’s crazy

Bluntness100 · 26/11/2019 16:55

I'm assuming your brother is a grown up? If so he needs to find his Bala and manage his relationship. You need to stay out and keep your feelings to yourself.

She's not going to be homeless. He's making excuses. Unless he has additional needs them he is with her because he chooses to be.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 26/11/2019 17:02

The trouble is, as tempting as it is to give it to her with both barrels, you can't win here.

Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

If you do; you risk alienating your brother when he needs you most.

If you don't, you have to sit there and watch her making his life hell.

But...

He is an adult... and he needs to sort this out himself. It's great that he knows he can confide in you, but if you start getting involved, he may stop sharing. And it may make his day to day life more difficult.

So as annoying as it must be, I'd stay out of it.

12345kbm · 26/11/2019 17:12

I think you sound dysfunctionally enmeshed.

Tabitha005 · 26/11/2019 17:12

I totally agree that my brother needs to take control of the situation - and he isn't doing himself any favours by letting her continually disrupt his life in this way. He doesn't get drawn into any debate with her when she's on one of her massive, screamy rants and frequently leaves the flat and takes himself out of the situation.

I'm not going to respond to her messages and have blocked her number.

The flat issue is compounded because affordable rental properties are really difficult to come by where they live - it took ten months and a lot of disappointment to finally secure the place they live now, and my brother is loathed to give it up. The issue is, she won't leave of her own volition - unless she does sod off back home (which I think is unlikely at the moment as she's also having huge issues with her family, surprise, surprise).

Through early conversations with her when they were first together, she had almost the same scenario with an ex-boyfriend. She still had lots of personal possessions at his flat and kept talking about how anxious she was over getting them back, and how 'crazy' he was. I see a bit a theme with her.

Thanks for the advice, it is appreciated. My brother can be a bit of a dozy git. He does LOVE a highly-strung girlfriend - bit of a theme with him, too.

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Bluntness100 · 26/11/2019 17:25

I'm sorry op but you sound over invested in your brothers relationship and enjoying the drama too much. Advise from the side likes when he asks. Leave it there.

Tabitha005 · 26/11/2019 17:31

Bluntness100 - in all honesty, until the offensive messages from the girlfriend started, I barely thought about it. I'm worried for my brother because I think her behaviour is escalating and, because he's been living with it, day in, day out, I don't think he realised the severity of it.

I'm definitely not enjoying 'the drama'. It makes me anxious and upset.

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crustycrab · 26/11/2019 17:49

You've advised her to "seek proper help" to the point she's had to become "resolutely defiant" that she won't?

I think maybe you don't actually have any right to suggest that as you're getting one side of the story from a grown man who has a "theme" of "highly strung" girlfriends

readitandwept · 26/11/2019 17:53

Ignore her. Keep talking to your brother, OP.

If you were posting about your sister being in this situation, where a partner was emotionally abusing her and trying to have her cut off her family, you wouldn't be told she needed to find her balls or that you were enjoying the drama.

BumbleBeee69 · 26/11/2019 17:58

Send the messages to your Brother... let him see what she sends you..

and tell him to either grow a pair and leave or marry her.. because he can only do one.. Flowers

user1497997754 · 26/11/2019 18:00

Maybe you and your brother together suggest she leaves he is a soft touch and she is mentally unstable

Oldstyle · 26/11/2019 18:10

I feel for you OP but agree with other posters that there's not much you can do other than continue to be an ear. I'd maybe try not to give advice but just keep asking open questions so he can start to think things through i.e. what he wants to happen, what small steps he could take towards that, and, since she won't change, whether he is willing to put up with what sounds like emotional abuse as the price of staying with her. I'd also explain very calmly/factually why you have blocked her in case he's getting a different version. You need to try to ensure that she doesn't pressure him to cut back on contact with you.

Tabitha005 · 26/11/2019 19:44

Very good point one poster made about if it were my sister, and not my brother in this situation. I detest the phrase 'grow some balls'.

I've never suggested to her that she 'seek proper help' - my brother has, and several of her friends have.

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FuckKnowsMate · 26/11/2019 22:47

Oh for gods sake, the OP doesn't sound like shes enjoying the drama at all. She sounds like someone concerned about her brother and as pp said if this was a sister instead the replies would be different I'm sure.
OP you can only do so much and giving it to her with both barrels won't help. You've just got to be there for your brother as a listening ear and hope he comes around and see her and the relationship for what it is.

Pinkbonbon · 26/11/2019 22:57

Is it definitely her texting you? (Not him, pretending) You say she mentioned having a crazy ex. But you know that your brother has (or has told you he has) drama Queen exes too. Is it possible he is playing you two off against one another because HE likes the drama?

Shooturlocalmethdealer · 27/11/2019 06:16

Keep talking to your brother.
Keep encouraging him to stand up for himself.
You may be the push he needs to walk away from her.

AgentJohnson · 27/11/2019 06:31

Both barrels will only increase the chance that you and your brother get more in return. Your energies are better spent on encouraging your DB getting help, particularly if he has a track record of similar type relationship partners.

Hepsibar · 27/11/2019 06:44

Your brother needs to run as fast as he can in the opposite direction!

justilou1 · 27/11/2019 07:05

Does he know about these messages? (The exact content?) To be honest, I know quite a few women like this who seem to terrify men like your brother into submission and they live small, miserable lives until they either explode violently (and bear the legal consequences) and escape or die inside a little bit more every day until there is nothing left of them and the woman gets bored and pisses off to the next victim. They see themselves as “passionate”, you see? (They are violent, narcissistic, psychopaths.) If he tries to extricate himself, she will undoubtedly have pregnancy scares and “miscarriages”.

MellowMelly · 27/11/2019 07:31

She’s a narcissistic controlling nightmare!

I agree with what @readitandwept said.

Ignore her- your silence is golden

Keep talking to your brother- your support is invaluable to him.

Stay patient...this is a long hard process for anyone in this sort of relationship before you finally get out. It could be days, weeks or months (god forbid years) before he finally makes a decision and even then they sometimes take the abuser back.

Personally I think when she goes out he should bag up her essentials pop them outside and get the locks changed. She seems to have places she can run off to at the drop of the hat! Easier said than done though Grin

alvinp · 27/11/2019 07:32

To those posters advocating non interference, testicular enhancement etc, why shouldn't a brother ask his sister for some advice? It doesn't sound like he runs to her all the time and this sounds extreme.

The GF sounds abusive. She is 37, so old enough now that she is unlikely to change. And old enough to take responsibility for her actions. She is isolating him from OP, his sister, so she could well be isolating him from friends and associates - classic abusive behaviour.

He can't fix this, he needs to leave.

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