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Is there any way back

32 replies

Pennypacker · 26/11/2019 00:10

I have been horrible, disgusting and ruined my ex partners life for two years. I had issues with alcohol and mentally abused her, on one occasion when drunk i threatened to kill her and sharpened knives in the kitchen. I made her cry and drove her to the edge of suicide. For years I thought she was the one who was controlling me, stopping me from drinking and splitting up with her, stopping me from selling the house and moving on with my life. I blamed her for moving her parents in with us for a year, for her brother living with us and staying up until 1am every night in the room over ours. I hated the fact that even though our son was no longer a toddler we needed to cuddle him to sleep every night and never had date nights. I resented her and was bitter. I resented the lack of reciprocality in our sexual relationship. Over time I became bitter and the relationship grew toxic. Despite having a great job I was severely bullied at work and started to take painkillers for stress relief. I felt trapped in a job I couldnt leave without a big paycut and resented being stuck with an enormous mortgage by a partner who didn't understand the pressure I was under. We went to couples therapy to split up rather than save the relationship. Over the years we broke up numerous times and got back together, before finally splitting after I sharpened those knifes. She went to the bank and found a way to keep the property without me and selling part of it to a friend. Two months ago I left the job i hated and stopped taking painkillers. I took a job working away from home for three days a week and returning for four days a week. I broke my drinking cycle and cut out alcohol, dropped most of my old friends and had something of an epiphany. I regretted what I had done, and when I began to realise the extent of what I had done to her, I started to hate myself and felt enormous guilt and shame. The words she had said to me before that I didn't care about started to have more meaning and as understood them I hated myself for it. I know she isn't perfect but she didn't deserve what I did to her. She didn't deserve how I treated her. I resolved to change, to try and resurrect our relationship.

She initially was very cold about this and still seems very very reluctant. We still live in the same house and share the same bed, though without sex. In the past I always cooked and tried to look after the kitchen whilst she did the laundry and we split the other chores. I used to be glued to my laptop whilst at home spending hours a day searching for a new job. Now I just want to make amends and show her I am changing. For the past few weeks I have started to do all the laundry, I have cut booze down to 1-2 drinks a week, cut my calories to less than a 1000 most days, when I am at home I am in the gym at 5.30 am before I come home to get our son ready for school at 7am. I used to only transfer the mortgage and school fees into the joint account but now I transfer every penny into it. I spend all weekend bonding with my son to let her revise for her work exams. I want to make her happy and have a future with her. Given all the shitty things I have done I know this will take a long long time. I have let her down many times before and she has no faith in me now.

She has told me she had a plan to leave me and had spoken to solicitors. We aren't married but do own a house and have a child together. I asked her to pause her plan whilst I tried to prove myself to her. My regret and remorse are very sincere and I think she knows this.

Whilst I know this will move slowly I am keen to see any positive sign I can which might show we have a future together. We have repainted most of the house together. We have bought a new bed to replace the one she has complained about. Over the past two days we have spent hours on the phone, though she doesn't always reply to my messages. When she was revising at the weekend she did some of it whilst lying in the bath, I sat on the loo for an hour and listened. When I left for the train to go away for work on Sunday I asked her not to show me affection unless she wanted to and she gave me a peck on the lips. Also slightly unusually (for most people) she squeezed some of the pimples off my back on Saturday evening (though she enjoys this). Today she suggested when her mom comes to stay with us in December that we could all (me, her, son and her mom) go to Venice for a weekend. She
knows I have always wanted to go and she suggested it before. Though she also said I had invited myself into the trip. Are these signs she is warming a little bit towards me or am I reading to much into it?

Before anyone says what a horrible idiot I have been, I know, I regret it, I can't turn back the clock I can only try to do my best in future. Apologies if this is boring to read.

OP posts:
over50andfab · 26/11/2019 00:23

I don’t think anyone her can answer this - it’s for your partner to decide. Perhaps the time apart when you are working away has been good fir you both. You are doing what you can and now it’s up to her, just don’t try to push things too fast.

Pennypacker · 26/11/2019 08:40

I know you are right that we shouldnt push things to move too fast, for me this is all about her, I am really keen not to pressure her. However I am anxious and would love any positive sign to help calm my mind. I would have done so much differently now.

OP posts:
TheStoic · 26/11/2019 08:42

Do you love her?

Pennypacker · 26/11/2019 08:59

I would do anything for her. I love her.

OP posts:
hellsbellsmelons · 26/11/2019 09:05

I resolved to change, to try and resurrect our relationship.
Mistake – you should resolve to change for YOU! And only YOU!

I have cut booze down to 1-2 drinks a week
You are an alcoholic – you should not be having any alcohol at all. You could spiral at any time. Did you also get help from AA or any other organization?
I resented the lack of reciprocality in our sexual relationship
Do you understand why she didn't want to be intimate with you? Do you really understand that?

Problem is for her, it's like death by a thousand paper cuts.
She gave you chance after chance and you kept blowing it.
When someone you love does this, you just start to lose all the love and respect you ever had for them.
And for most - that is something that never comes back.
It's all too little too late.

I think kissing you and suggesting a weekend away is positive.
I also think allowing you to sleep in the same bed as her is a positive.
But you know her best.
Have you had some counselling?
Has she had any counselling?
It may help you both to have a few sessions each and then if you feel ready, to come together for some joint sessions.
Have you understood now why you did all this? Why you drank so much and disrespected her so much? What were the underlying reasons for this?

I think you have a lot to unravel about yourself before you can really build on this relationship.

MeTheCoolOne · 26/11/2019 09:10

No advice other than to take things really really slowly.

Good luck.

Lozzerbmc · 26/11/2019 10:04

i would just echo taking it slowly and if she doesnt want to resurrect relationship accept it, do right by her and your son and move on.

TheStoic · 26/11/2019 10:42

I would do anything for her. I love her.

Prove it, then. Leave her alone. You are toxic and abusive. You know it. If you really do love her, and not just yourself, let her go.

KanelbulleKing · 26/11/2019 10:48

Is there any way back? I hope not.

GettingABitDesperateNow · 26/11/2019 11:15

You have not mentioned counselling or any kind of therapy.

Things are going well now but they wont always be like this. All couples go through shit times together. There will be deaths of family members at some point, illness, stress about jobs, issues with friends. If I was her I'd be thinking...yes you're trying hard now and things are ok but what would happen if you were bullied at your new workplace? Or there was some other issue in your life? I'd be worried all your old coping mechanisms would resurface. Drinking so much was a sign that you were finding it hard to cope before. Most people can have issues at work without threatening to kill their partner. Your patterns of behaviour were extremely unhealthy and will take a lot of unpicking - a lot of people revert to type when they are stressed (eg I'm quite a 'shouty' parent when my buttons are pushed. As is my mum. As was her dad. Most of the time I am fine but it's a behaviour I grew up with and I find it very hard to control)

I think you need extensive therapy to work out why you were abusive in the first place and also to give you coping mechanisms for the future - how to disagree with your partner and argue without it turning abusive, how to cope with stress when times are tough without resorting to alcohol etc

MeTheCoolOne · 26/11/2019 11:21

I asked her not to show me affection unless she wanted to and she gave me a peck on the lips

You need to stop this type of nonsense - it’s like you are testing her. Don’t give her requests or demands. Just leave her alone, listen to her and wait.

BuildBuildings · 26/11/2019 11:29

A lot of this post was about you, how you felt, what you did and what you want. I know this controversial but through family experience of alcoholism it is a very selfish addiction. You've obviously seen the results of this in your personal life. I could never personally get over a partner threatening to kill me. What is to stop you sinking into this again if things go wrong in your life? You need to be able to handle life without alcohol. None of us can know what your partner has actually been through. The only thing you can do now is be a much better person and work on the things which lead you to behave in this way. (it wasn't just being drunk or alcoholism) she may forgive you she may not. But for yourself and your son you need to be a better person anyway and maybe she'll want life with the better you. She certainly won't want a life with you as you were. My tone is harsh but I've seen this behaviour and you've done some awful things.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 26/11/2019 11:32

Wow.

Maybe look at the number of times you mention 'I' in your original post rather than anyone else.

It's all about you.

BarrenFieldofFucks · 26/11/2019 11:36

It's a no from me.

Wallywobbles · 26/11/2019 11:43

You sound like my exh. His behavior certainly killed any affection or love. He's never seen the light, but I'm not sure there was a way back once I'd seen a lawyer.

She must constantly be waiting for the other shoe to drop.

Aquamarine1029 · 26/11/2019 11:50

All I'm seeing is everything is always about you.

12345kbm · 26/11/2019 12:37

I would contact Respect: respect.uk.net/ It's a programme for perpetrators of domestic violence.

Also speak to Drinkaware about your drinking and get some advice www.drinkaware.co.uk/alcohol-support-services/

Give your partner the details for the Freedom Programme as it sounds like she really needs support: www.freedomprogramme.co.uk/

12345kbm · 26/11/2019 12:44

Sorry the link I gave doesn't work, try this: respectphoneline.org.uk/

12345kbm · 26/11/2019 12:51

Still doesn't work :

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ScreamingLadySutch · 26/11/2019 12:57

This is your way back: "had something of an epiphany. I regretted what I had done, and when I began to realise the extent of what I had done to her, I started to hate myself and felt enormous guilt and shame. The words she had said to me before that I didn't care about started to have more meaning and as understood them I hated myself for it. I know she isn't perfect but she didn't deserve what I did to her. She didn't deserve how I treated her. I resolved to change, to try and resurrect our relationship. "

When people REALLY GET IT which you sound as though you do, if they genuinely (and repeatedly) apologise and if they consistently show behaviour change ...

the love comes back. But it isn't your right and you aren't entitled to it. Therefore, if she choses to leave you you have to accept that consequence of your behaviour.

Really sorry you got bullied at work. See how not telling her this started off a horrible shit show?

billandbenflowerpotmen1 · 26/11/2019 14:04

Sorry I know this is nit picking but I really don't get
She went to the bank and found a way to keep the property without me and selling part of it to a friend
How?

PicsInRed · 26/11/2019 15:24

She's a mumsnetter, isn't she?

I'd put money on you knowing she'll see this post.

cacklingmags · 26/11/2019 17:54

You still sound selfish and controlling - why indeed are you posting on here instead of getting yourself some therapy? You threatened her very life.

12345kbm · 26/11/2019 18:03

If the OPs partner is on MN can I suggest she contacts Women's Aid for advice as soon as she possibly can in order to get advice and support: 0808 2000 247

Techway · 26/11/2019 18:15

If I was her I would separate drinking from the abuse.

Abusers may not be alcoholics and alcoholics are often not abusers. You were both and need to be dealt with separately.

How long have you been together? If it's 5 years she would be unwise to trust you after 2 years of abuse.

Have you had a medical check up to see if drinking caused permanent damage?

I would be interested in your justification for abusing her..you said you felt controlled, did that make you feel entitled? Did bullying her make you feel powerful? It is these thought processes that need to be challenged as otherwise the same pattern is likely to repeat.

I do hope you are successful in changing.

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