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Narcissistic on off ex

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ZoeSusan · 24/11/2019 10:29

The father of my children-
We have been on and off for a long while. Sometimes it's great and sometimes to be honest it's absolutely awful.
This stems from his trouble making jealous mum- she has been jealous from the moment we got together as he was her golden child. When I had my children she was extremely jealous That I spent a lot of time with my mum and I seen her when I could but she still didn't feel this was enough.
Relationships with my ex and her have been frosty since because he has chosen to continue to have a relationship with me. We try our hardest for the children. She seems to not talk to him or include him in family things when he is fine with me. This causes him to fall out with me and become quite angry with me over it. Saying I caused a breakdown of his family.
Anyway.. Christmas has always been an awkward time as I'm not welcome at her house.. this year I suggested we have Christmas Day as a family- just me him and the kids. Last night I said that I was planning to take a few hours on Christmas Eve to see my mum and dad (who are separated) so that I see them over the Christmas period. He said that he would not allow it, and that if I see them on Christmas Eve then he will not spend any Christmas with me and the children at all. He normally goes to the pub with his brothers on Christmas Eve so I didn't feel like this would be a problem. Now he's making me choose. Of course I'm going to see my family that have been there for me all year. I thought I'd already made a big compromise of not seeing them Christmas Day. Now I'm left feeling deflated and sick and I'm not sure what to do :(

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Heartburn888 · 24/11/2019 11:13

Go and see your family and if he wants to cut his nose off to spite his face and not see his kids on Christmas Day then that’s on him.

It’s not unreasonable to want to see your mum and dad on Xmas, it’s not like you’ll be taking them for the majority of Xmas day, it’s a few hours Xmas eve when he’s in the pub.

Stick to your guns, forget about his mothers wants and wishes as she clearly plays a part in his reactions and responses and don’t let him control you.

Maybe you should think about alternating Christmas going forward

Winterdaysarehere · 24/11/2019 11:17

I never saw my exh at Christmas. Neither did our dc.
His mates down the pub did.
Exh...
Make 2020 the year you Ltb for good.

Have Xmas with your family. Tell him to fuck off and stay fucked off.
You will truly reap the rewards.

Timetobegood · 24/11/2019 11:23

Are you a couple at the moment or not? Do you live together?

12345kbm · 24/11/2019 11:27

I find this very strange. Why aren't you welcome in his mother's house?

I don't think you're telling the full story here.

Why is your partner blaming you for his mother's behaviour?

Why doesn't your partner want you to see your parents on Christmas eve? Why aren't you seeing them Christmas day if that's what you want to do? Why can't your partner go with you to see them? He has parental responsibilities, from your post you're together, why is he going down the pub when he should be with his family?

Your OP makes little sense.

Caselgarcia · 24/11/2019 11:27

So somehow he thinks he is punishing you by not seeing his kids Christmas Day. What a dick..

ZoeSusan · 24/11/2019 11:28

We are not a couple- we spend a lot of time together. He lives with his brothers but we still do family stuff together. Like I said- when he wants it to be it's really great but he just turns at things like this. I was in town yesterday and his mum and sister walked straight past me and my daughter. I made the mistake of telling him. He then finds out that his mum is doing a family meal today and he's not invited. Of course this is my fault

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ZoeSusan · 24/11/2019 11:32

12345kbm... there is a very long story behind this. Basically his mum is an alcoholic and a very jealous person who despises me because my mum seen the children more than her when they were first born. Pathetic I know. But this is what I have had to deal with. She has brought her children up single handedly and was very jealous at the fact her son spent more time with me and his children rather than her. She is very narcissistic. They have never stuck up for themselves with her and because I wouldn't take her abusive text messages week after week and I finally stuck up for myself this is when she started hating me

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ZoeSusan · 24/11/2019 11:35

@12345kbm he blames me because he said that through me sticking up for myself and calling her out on her behaviour (which him and his siblings have never done) I am responsible for all of her actions and behaviours.
It got to the point where when she worked in Sainsburys I wasn't even allowed to go in there.
She has since been awkward about spending time with my ex especially at Christmas and purposely excludes him to punish him for still being on good terms with me as she feels like he's betrayed her for still being around me. This is why he turns on me.

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12345kbm · 24/11/2019 11:43

I was wondering if you had dependency issues, which is why his mother wouldn't want you in her house. Because, for a grandmother not to want to see her grandchildren, given the chance, at Christmas seemed really strange.

I also wondered if your partner was blaming you for the relationship breakdown due to something you had done for example, got drunk and kicked off.

If it is as you say then you need to maintain distance from your ex. Do you have contact arrangements in place? If so, why hasn't Christmas been discussed and pre arranged?

He's your ex and has no say on when you see your own parents at Christmas. He has no say on what you do at all. He doesn't get to dictate to you as it's no concern of his.

If Christmas hasn't been arranged, then arrange it with him. There is no need to tell him what your plans are on Christmas Eve as it's absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with him. Go and see your parents.

If he doesn't want to see his children on Christmas day, that's sad for the children and doesn't say much for him as a parent. Let him get on with it.

As for his deranged alcoholic mother. I wouldn't want her near my children as she sounds thoroughly toxic. Be thankful she doesn't want you in the house and why in god's name you'd want to go there for Christmas is beyond me. It would be like spending the day with a nest of boozing vipers. The atmosphere would be dreadful and it would ruin the day for your children. Block her number and have nothing to do with her.

ZoeSusan · 24/11/2019 11:44

His mum has also manipulated him to having a problem with my family by making him feel guilty about having a relationship with my family. I have seen the messages 'you will spend time with Z's mum but can't make time for your own mum' which is untrue. 3 years of this bs. Last time he said something to my mum she made the mistake of sticking up for me over his behaviour towards me and he has done exactly the same. Keeps bringing it up and making her to be a bad person for sticking up for me (when I'm actual fact they have sorted things out between them but he will still bitch about her to me)

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