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can a misogynist really love a woman

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damnthatanxiety · 21/11/2019 15:25

Is misogyny so deeply intrenched in a man that there is no hope of having a full and loving equal relationship with him? It seems that misogynists always let women down and never let their male buddies down. Do you think misogynists crave the approval of other men as well as hate, fear or look down upon women? Why then do they get into relationships/marriage. Why not just stay single and hang out with the boys?

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lookatthebabypenguin · 22/11/2019 17:42

Lol. My abuser didn't fucking love me. He loved feeling powerful over me. He loved abusing me. He didn't fucking love me.

You don't deliberately harm the things or people you love. If that's your definition of love them it's fucked up.

Trauma bonding isn't the same as love.

MsConstrue · 22/11/2019 17:58

But how can you love someone if you don't respect them? It's not possible is it?

If you treat someone with contempt and disrespect, that isn't love. and certainly abusive people can't love - how can they?

JoyceJeffries · 22/11/2019 18:03

They probably love the their wife in much the same way they love their dog.

12345kbm · 22/11/2019 18:04

There are some very strange ideas of what love is here.

I know a misogynist, (I know plenty but this is just an example) who said: 'I don't hate all women, just all the women I've met.' He had a girlfriend. I reckon he lurrrvvved her because you can, of course, love people you despise.

nibdedibble · 24/11/2019 15:26

damnthatanxiety
*How do you know your friend believes he loves her? Have you discussed him with her? How does she justify his appalling behaviour around other women if she is a feminist? Is she in denial?

Does he actually treat her well and apparently lovingly or is that just her perception?*

I have discussed him with her in the past, more than I'm comfortable with: she loves to talk about him. He has never told her that he loves her. She worships him, I don't think this is an exaggeration, and she "knows he loves her but isn't the kind of person who finds it easy to talk about his feelings".

I can't answer your question about how she justifies it. I have often heard him say appalling things about women I know, and she laughs along with him. When I hear her call herself a feminist, I honestly find it mind-boggling: but she's in so deep with him, I can see she's completely in denial. He is funny and charming and makes it all sound like such a joke.

He does actually treat her well, publicly. She is the only person anywhere whom he treats well. I mean this superficially. He talks her up in public, he gives her extravagant gifts, they kiss and cuddle a lot in public. Most British people (imo) find this a bit undignified: they definitely go further physically in public than anyone else I know - I mean constant touching, pawing, hair-stroking, her sitting on his lap, nothing sexual.

However he has behaved so badly in his job that he's been written about in the press and is under investigation. That is not treating your spouse well. I know quite a bit about him that I have no idea if she knows or not. He is not a good and loving person.

And yes, it is a very strained friendship under these circumstances! I/we no longer wish to see him, so contact with her has dwindled to online only. I keep in touch with her because one day it will all blow up and we have such a long history, I can't not, iyswim.

Sandals19 · 24/11/2019 15:52

Why not just stay single and hang out with the boys?

Passing on their genes.
Confirming to social norms.
Pleasing parents.
Wife work.

Sandals19 · 24/11/2019 15:53

Oh and most if the boys won't be available much cause they'll have confirmed too (wether misogynists or not).

Sandals19 · 24/11/2019 15:54

*conformed

damnthatanxiety · 24/11/2019 21:21

I sometimes wonder if there is a disproportionate number of misogynsts who are gay but unable to accept this about themselves. So they continue in relationships with women but the frustration and self hatred transfers itself into hatred towards women.

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Sandals19 · 24/11/2019 21:52

It's s possibility.

I sometimes think the no of in the closet bi and gay men must be a significant minority of the population.

But sometimes they're not and it's just that women are different from them, they can't think of anything but that/that overarches everything for them - including thinking of a woman as a person. I find a lot of men cant reconcile you being a half way attractive female they'd take the opportunity to shag with you being a person a d having a brain, they objectify. (And they can't deal with difference).

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