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Am I responsible for our fall out.

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SheepGoesBaa · 21/11/2019 13:46

Can I get peoples honest advice please. Myself and my sister fell out a few years ago. She seems to be struggling and I want to get peoples advice am I responsible.

About 6 and half years ago, two of my brothers were working abroad in Australia. They were about a year gone at that time. My sister wasn't happy with one of our brothers because he wasn't contacting home much. She read too much into it and thought he was cutting contact with the family and she sent him a bad message which angered him. To be honest, she had plenty of time to get used to her own thoughts but receiving a bad message with accusations of cutting contact was just sprung on him. On one hand I was able to see it from her side that perhaps it was a possibility he was feeling that way but I was also able to see it from a different angle. He could have been busy with work or maybe he had money problems but he was too proud to say. My sister became agitated with me saying why am I making excuses for him. I wasn't making excuses for him. At one stage when me and my sister were on good terms she said we should stick together here because they are over there making their own lives there. That kinda annoyed me somewhat. I couldn't see why I couldn't have a relationship with them from across the miles.

A few months after that falling out from her and him, he rang our mother with news that he was due to become a dad. Me and our mother became excited. My sister threw a tantrum that day telling us - when are you two going to realise he wants nothing to do with us. I wanted to wish him and his partner well that day and my sister wasn't happy about that. I did wish him well and he received it well.

I thought maybe over time, my sister might come around. The baby was born and my sister wanted nothing to do with our niece. I thought at that stage, the issue that she had and the falling out that she had with our brother was petty and it should ha e been parked and left behind in the past. I didn't say it to her at this time.

It was about three months or so after that, at Christmas time. We both had two very different schedules. I was working hard with barely a day off in a month. She was unemployed. I came home late at night one night after work. It was about 9. My sister wasn't long up at that stage. She was so full of answers that night and no action and I snapped and I gave out to her.

The next day I was in work and I got some abusive messages from her.

That was it really. I wanted to apologise to her and I tried but it was like she had a brick wall built up around herself. When I tried talking to her she stuck her nose up in the air.

All that lead to a few months where I kept to myself. I was busy with work and just getting on with things. I had money stolen from my wallet and other belongings go missing too. I had to stop and anker myself because I was cross with my sister and fuming but I had to hold back because it would get me nowhere. She would deny taking things from me and just play a victim.

Eventually she moved out from the family home. I began to get bad messages from her. That has gone on and off for the past four and half years. Different number changes etc down the line.

Eventually she fell out with our mother over a different matter.

Another brother has no time in the world whatsoever for her.

Its been years of abuse and vulgar from her where she is not stopping. Bad messages, and calls and vile accusations of incest and peado between us all.

Last year, she was texting me and it seemed as if she was struggling and she demanded for explanations about our falling out and why I was so cross with her.

Oh my god, the woman is passive aggressive and impossible to deal with. Relationships are a two way thing but it's all one sided from her.

I thought I was doing the decent thing replying back to her in the hope of patching things up. I wrote I was wrong and I'm sorry. I shouldn't ever have given out to her. I was tired after work that day and I'm sorry. Or something on them lines. She never took any of that on board. None of it.

One one hand she hates me and on the other hand she wants me to kneel at her feet.

She was contacting my employer and partner last winter and so I decided to get a throw away phone and sim card. I saw she had a need to dish out filth and to some degree that actually helped things. She was texting into a phone that is turned off more often than not.

To this day, 5 years after our falling out, life has moved on for us all except for her. She's stuck on that old rows and other old rows going back 15/20 years never mind about her own part that she played in them. She's like a disgruntled ex.

The woman hates me and the ground I'm walking on but she won't leave me alone. She keeps away physically but she blew up my throwaway phone again last night and it's all vulgar, crazy from her talking about our brothers cocks. I actually got sick.

Am I responsible for this falling out?

OP posts:
Hont1986 · 21/11/2019 13:55

Seems obvious that you aren't.

pog100 · 21/11/2019 15:13

You've written about her before haven't you? It's seems pretty obvious she has mental health problems. You seem to care more than is good for you. Take a leaf from your brother's books, and just totally ignore her.

hellsbellsmelons · 21/11/2019 16:20

Ignore her please.
It's doing your own mental health no good.
Throw away the throw away phone!!
Don't allow her to contact you any more!
She's even fallen out with her own mother.
It's totally obvious where the problem lies.
Please leave her to it.
Stop trying to mend bridges.
She does NOT want to.
Block and delete from everything.
Save yourself.
You can't save her!

ExcitedForFuture · 21/11/2019 16:46

Stop indulging her utter nonsense and block her for good. She is vile and you did nothing wrong.

SheepGoesBaa · 21/11/2019 18:01

Hellsbells

I'm not trying to mend bridges with her. It's long past repairing. I came to terms a long times ago that I will have no sister relationship with her. The past few years has been very fulfilling for me without her and I don't feel at a loss without her.

From her messages, she absolutely hates me but I'm reading between the lines where she wants me to make amends with her too. Many of her messages has referred to demanding for explanations and apologies but I also think it's just a humiliation exercise for her. She wants me to grovel to her.

The throwaway phone was set up so that she can text her filth into and just leave my partner and my employer alone because she was sabotaging them aspects of my life or trying to.

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Ilovethekitties · 21/11/2019 19:17

OP does she have diagnosed mental health issues?

EKGEMS · 21/11/2019 19:22

Sounds like she has borderline personality disorder I've a sister like this a true drama llama

BumbleBeee69 · 21/11/2019 19:37

Reading this... I'm confused as to why you would believe even remotely that any of this was your fault Hmm

MummytoCSJH · 21/11/2019 20:20

@EKGEMS How on earth can you know that from an online post? It's a very complex disorder and that's really offensive to those of us who actually suffer from bpd.

OP, you are not responsible. She's obviously never going to let it go and even if any amends were to be made, it would just happen again. There's a reason nobody is in contact with her, she's the common denominator for all of those issues. Leave the phone alone, it's not worth your time to read those messages.

EKGEMS · 21/11/2019 20:44

MummytoCSJH It just really sounds like my sister and I've met many others with the diagnosis just my opinion definitely nothing official

SheepGoesBaa · 22/11/2019 12:20

She wasn't diagnosed with a mental health disorder when she was living at home. I don't know if she has since been diagnosed with anything.

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GiveHerHellFromUs · 22/11/2019 12:41

She seriously feels like the world owes her something.

Does she have any friends? It seems like she relied on family for companionship and maybe even felt deserted when the boys went away.

SheepGoesBaa · 22/11/2019 16:23

Giveherhellfromus,

I think you have summed it up very well with your first line:

"she seems to think the world owes her something".

I remember when we were on speaking terms, a few months after she fell out with one of our brothers, she wanted to make amends with our brother but she didn't want to take any action on that. She wanted an apology to come from him. At no point was she will to take her own part on board and think - 'maybe I shouldn't have sent that message'.

She was always hasty and I reckon she's feeling the brunt of her decision to 'walk away' from the family. At one end she wants nothing to do with us, on the other end it seems as if she can't cope without us either.

Many of her messages to me, many of them contains insults and abuse and just vulgar and many has referred to old rows demanding explanations, apologies and acknowledgments out of me.

Honestly, I can't deal with this. I'm willing to meet someone half way but she's not in that place and to be honest, she's done so much, I don't know of I have room in my life for her. She doe3sleep at night. I turned on the other phone earlier and there were messages sent at 2.30, 3 and 4 in the morning. Just abusive messages insulting me and mocking me and referring to old rows.

She never had a large group of friends so I don't know what her social circle is like now.

There was a quite spell for 5 weeks from her which was lovely and we were all in good form at home. She's now back again sending her vulgar shit.

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SheepGoesBaa · 22/11/2019 18:45

Going back nearly 2 years ago, in the spring of 2018, she was hassling me a lot into the phone. Not only me but others in the family too. A lot of her messages insulted me and referred to old rows and everything else in between. I saw there was an element of crazy there. She was demand3for explanations about the night I gave out to her a few years ago. I texted her and I apologised and it wasn't the first time and I text her saying I was wrong and I was tired and it had roots in exhaustion. I wore my heart on my sleeve so to speak that day texting her. It was no good. She didn't take any of it on board. Nearly 2 years down the line it's still the same old stuff from her. You can't ever sort anything out with her.

I evaluated my part in the the row and down fall between us a long time ago. Her, not once was she ever able to look at herself and do some soul searching within herself. The woman is not open for a reconciliation but she wants me down on my knees.

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AFairlyHardAvocado · 22/11/2019 19:09

This sounds awful OP. It's painful to cut family out but there is a point you reach (I did anyway) as adults when you need to step back and think - how would I feel if I met this person today as a stranger.

In my case with toxic family member I would have thought they were a cunt, a bully, a nasty person, an entitled person and a cunt again.

There is no reason why we should repeatedly be treated so disgustingly by someone because they are in our family.

Poor you ThanksThanksThanks

egontoste · 22/11/2019 19:18

Ignore her and don't respond at all. Don't delete any of the messages. If she sends any more really nasty messages, especially if they are to your employer, perhaps it might be time to think about taking advice from the police.

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