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Sexless marriage, considering divorce, not sure how...

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BreakfastNotBREXIT · 15/11/2019 21:34

Frequent poster; name change for this one as I don't want it to be linked to my other posts as they have a lot of identifying info. Help
me, Mumsnetters. I’m at my wit’s end with this problem.

Sorry this is so long.

I’ve been with DH for 20 years, married for 15. We have one DC who is nearly 7. Our sex life has never been great and has been non-existent since we had our DC seven years ago. Our sex drives are completely mismatched to be honest. I don’t know if mine is average or high, but I’d say his is bordering on non-existent. We did do sex therapy through Relate about 10 years ago and it was some help, but now, although I'd like to have sex, I don't want to have it with him.

Other than this, our marriage is so-so. He’s reliable, steady, a reasonably good dad in a day to day way, but happy for me to bear nearly all of the ‘mental load’ and admin of our family lives. I’ve said on a number of occasions how unhappy I am to have to do most of the organising and remembering things, including all our finances, all our holiday planning, nearly everything to do with maintaining our house, school uniform, homework, dealing with any problems that come up etc etc. He makes vague promises to step up and then backslides.

Having said that, I wouldn’t have any worries about him taking care of DD solo and he does a perfectly ok job when he does. Also, he actually does more than most of my friends’ husbands…

We rub along okay together but don’t have much to say to each other. I am increasingly finding it impossible to imagine getting old with him and I'm having persistent fantasies of living by myself (obviously with DC half the time or whatever we agreed – we both work in education so there are a lot of holidays to divvy up). We are older parents so DC is going to reach university/job age not long before we retire. He is getting increasingly grumpy and stuck in his ways and is unbelievably tedious about politics. He’s only early 50s!

I went to see a solicitor recently to find out what my options are and we could split, no problem. We are lucky to have good jobs, equity in the house, etc and could afford to run two smaller households. As long as we communicated well I don’t think DC would see any massive change in lifestyle.

I have two problems. One is how do you discuss splitting up with someone who doesn’t really have relationship conversations and who is going along (apparently) quite happily? I tried starting a conversation last night and got nowhere much. He was all ‘oh I’ll try harder to do all that organising stuff’. He doesn’t mean it and it’s not the main issue, although I do feel resentful that he’ll talk this great talk about equality etc while doing a half arsed job that basically means I can’t take my career any more seriously unless I outsource even more stuff than I do already. Frustratingly, he has good admin skills when it comes to things he's actually interested in.

The second is, is the sexless marriage thing ‘enough’ to divorce over? I feel like it should be. I’m late 40s and am struggling with the idea that I’d have to be involuntarily celibate for the rest of my life. I don’t think I’d even mind if I was single and not having sex, as long as it was an option if I wanted to.

Do I give Relate or similar one more go? We’ve done that several times in the past and it was helpful, but I wasn’t thinking of leaving the marriage then. I honestly can’t see how we’d have the necessary conversations without a third person in the room making us. I find DH very difficult to talk to about anything important. I never feel he’s really listening and I feel the things he says are just to make me stop bringing the topics up. I am also worried that I’d feel terribly guilty as his mental and physical health is not great and he hates change and our families will probably not be very supportive of my decision. I’m certainly not explaining the sex thing to them and if I tell them he's got barely enough energy to hold down a job and be a dad and certainly not enough to be a decent partner too, I think they'd just assume my standards are impossibly high (are they?)

I think I know what I have to do but I’m not sure what/how to do it and I'm going round in circles. Help!

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Zupermumm · 16/11/2019 08:49

Sorry for the typos - autocorrect! And can’t work out how to edit.

BreakfastNotBREXIT · 16/11/2019 16:15

@Zupermumm, that sounds awful. Do you think he would even want to have the boys much though, were you to split? I think it's a good idea to save up money. Money brings options.

I have a friend who is a single mum (never been with the father - accidental pregnancy). Her DC spends time with the father and I know my friend has very different values to him but I am sure she is the overwhelming influence in her DC's life and that's important: maybe more so than constant mixed messages.

I am sure our DC senses the tension and reacts by trying to play us off against each other.

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BreakfastNotBREXIT · 17/11/2019 09:29

Update. Had the conversation last night. He's very keen to have more counselling (which I'm leaning towards IF he books it and arranges the babysitter - I kind of agree with the poster on the first page that I'd like to able to say I tried everything). Has also made many promises to improve on all fronts, but I feel this is totally unrealistic and I don't want to have to threaten divorce every year or two just to get a bit of attention paid to me by the person who's supposed to be the most important in my life.

He claims we stopped having sex because I wasn't interested, but I don't think it's that straightforward. I feel his his level of interest in sex is unusually low. If I'm not having sex I find I need to do, er, things, to compensate, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't. I've always wondered if his testosterone is unusually low or something, but given that it's close to impossible to get him to the doctor for serious health problems, that's no doubt not going to get explored.

Bah, I guess I can give him till January to see if he actually arranges the counselling. At least then he will have some comprehension of what work is involved in waiting lists, babysitters, arranging work appointments around it...

Then he said 'oh I could take Fridays off and we could spend them together'. Now, I work at home on Fridays but he seems to have no comprehension that I actually work then! I mean, yes, the marriage is important but I have worked incredibly hard to find a decently paying professional job that is flexible enough to fit round all this fecking wifework and I'm not risking that!

I may need to harden my heart, I suppose.

This is difficult. He is a nice man, just a rubbish partner.

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RandomMess · 17/11/2019 10:05

Straight he wants to take the easy option of taking a day off work to spend with you that involves zero effort from him.

I hope you set him straight that you WORK of Fridays and your job is just as important as his 🤬

Thatagain · 17/11/2019 12:52

Has he got a health issue. IE low testosterone? That can cause all sorts of issues with sex. If all is well in that area. Then you shouldn't over think thing's like what outher family members think as this is your life and we have to make difficult choices sometimes. Leaving a long relationship is difficult enough.

BreakfastNotBREXIT · 17/11/2019 17:17

He might well do, @Thatagain, but if he has, it's lifelong (he's early 50s) and as I said upthread, he's very hard to get to the doctor. He'd have to consider it a problem himself, wouldn't he?

I agree that I'm just going to have to decide on the right thing to do and do it.

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PurpleWithRed · 17/11/2019 17:27

The idea of going through the split does seem awful from where you are, but think of it like childbirth - painful and messy and a bit undignified, but over relatively quickly and so well worth it. You’ve given him ample chances to make your marriage work and he’s chucked them away. Yes he will probably moan and come over the victim but your friends will see through that and in an amazingly short time you will be free to live a new life.

Gre8scott · 17/11/2019 17:30

Werid i just posted about a marriage without sex for 7years!!!
I love my husband so much and want to have sex but i have an illness that means no sex drive but today i reaslised he has no desire to have sex with me. I cant leave i have no money

RhinoskinhaveI · 17/11/2019 17:36

Has also made many promises to improve on all fronts
he just says whatever he things will pacify you in the moment so he can have a quiet life, I dont think it's going to get any better

BreakfastNotBREXIT · 17/11/2019 20:34

Sadly, @RhinoskinhaveI I think he does believe these things quite genuinely when he says them but a) I know after 20 years to judge on behaviour not words and b) it's not like it's just our relationship where he phones it in - I have watched him not bother with friends etc over the years. I am making him sound bad. At some level he just doesn't get that good relationships (of any kind) take ongoing work. I think maybe he thinks he is fine by himself but actually if he spends too much time that way he gets depressed quite quickly.

@Gre8scott that sounds very sad and I hope you can find a way forward. Chronic illness is tough on everyone involved.

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