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Big differences, fear about future

47 replies

VihmaSajab · 07/11/2019 11:35

I’m thinking about talking to my partner about my fears or uncertainties regarding our future. I am actually in limbo – whether to just walk away, or still talk to him and see where it takes us. I think it would be fair to talk to him. But I also think that the issues are pretty big and it would exhaust me to try to resolve these and it would be really difficult path. Really confused.

My problems are that he has told (and also showed me) that after work he prefers to ‘relax and play’, he does not want any commitments or obligations (this includes basically going somewhere on time (except a concert)), promising to help someone out, manage paperwork or stuff related to boring admin or taking up volunteering or hobby which involves set dates/times). He can manage, but it is really difficult for him (I have to push him and/or it takes very long time for him).
Also, while he has told that he likes DIY and renovating with his own hands, when he has the opportunity he is not showing initiative and waiting basically for me to tell him when and what to do. He has showed interest in doing some DIY, but then mostly it never resulted in action - it has turned out that these are too difficult for him and he has no place to do these and no tools etc (and he has never brought those issues up himself, he just says he will do it, but then total silence for a long time and when I start asking about it, then all those problems are laid out). When I have suggested him solutions, he has dismissed those and the things have remained undone. Recently, he proposed doing something DIY again, and I just pointed out that it should be thought through as those problems he had previously are still present (no tools etc) – he then sulked and said “fine, let’s just order it…”. To me it seems he actually has anxiety about doing these things, wanting to do but then finding excuses and he has also trouble seeing additional solutions? When he has finished something, I have always praised him, so I think I try to encourage him. If he tries and it does not work out, he gives up and then I suggest 100 other solutions. This is apparent in many areas.

He has a rather low-paid job which he finds faulty in many areas (expect the job field itself) and sometimes whines about it. He could hunt for new job in the same field and earn more and have better boss and conditions, but he only thinks about it and doesn’t try (I think – anxiety again). I have tried to encourage him, but no success. I do not mind his wage, I just wish he had good working conditions and he would be happy or at least mostly satisfied going to work. He hates his wage, wants to earn more, but is afraid no one will hire him and so does not even try.

So my future fear is that we are currently in our early 30s. We live in flat, where we could not fit children (we do not have any yet). We would need something bigger. Our wages would not allow us something bigger in perfect condition. So we would need to renovate it over time. No problem for me, I find it very fun to be honest – to save, to build our own home, achieve something together. But seeing his mindset and how he lacks initiative and energy etc, I think we would be stuck in half-build house if we bought it. I could organise and do it myself (I own our current little place and I have renovated, organised etc prior to meeting him), but then I would feel resentful in the end. Even doing all the paperwork and looking for houses and communicating with banks etc would be so exhausting, because he finds faults in everything and everyone all the time and the admin stuff would be on my shoulders I think.

Regarding children, as I have seen they bring along many obligations and commitments and if he sees those things already exhausting, then why would I think he would suddenly change after children? He would be fun dad, would organise for all of us nice days out and would cook a meal also. But is this enough? I have this mental picture in my head, how I storm around, organise admin stuff, renovate house and clean, while he just lays on the couch, cooks on weekends and waits for Saturday to have a nice day outside. I would be exhausted by the evening, but he would want romance and cuddle and sex, while I would need sleep. He probably would do some things, but this would mean I have to remind him, push him, ask whether he has done this or that etc - mental load, which is also exhausting. When I push, he comes along. But the moment I stop talking about something/doing, then he also stops and never mentions it again.

He is a good man mostly, really. But those big things scary me. I’m afraid he will listen to me and promise to change, but won’t and I’m wasting my time. But it feels unfair to just break up and not giving him a chance. Not sure what I’m asking really. How to approach it with him, I guess? He is very sensitive and I am afraid to hurt him.

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GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 07/11/2019 15:27

Sorry but please do not have children with this man. It will exactly as you imagine; you'll end up doing everything. Absolutely EVERYTHING.

He is lazy, can't initiate anything, and sounds really quite boring.

Yes, I'd make plans to go your separate ways and soon. Sorry. Flowers

Everydaylife · 07/11/2019 15:36

He has been quite clear that he doesn’t want to be a man who will provide for his family so bear that in mind or you will be looking after any prospective children single-handedly as well as working full-time paying all the bills and doing all the cleaning/organising/diy.

FabbyChix · 07/11/2019 15:38

Not everyone is good at the diy and never will be. Why do you want him to be someone he isn’t. You seem to not eve like who he is. Children worse could you afford kids on one wage anyway? People are who they are he is him you can’t force people t conform to your idea of what a man is and does. I’ve never known a man any good at diy I’ve always done it.

VihmaSajab · 07/11/2019 16:06

With the DIY, he is the one telling he wants to do it and he really is good at it when he puts effort on. But when I suggest some diy or also when he suggests he quickly abadons the idea and doesn't even discuss his worries/issues on his initiative. This is the thing, he talks the talk but mostly doesn't walk the walk. This includes stuff he himself decides to do or wants to do. This is so bizzare for me.
He wants children, but he has also mentioned that he does not have much knowledge about them. He has also said that he would love to be stay at home sad. And he has also told that if he had children and a break up occurred then no way the mother would have the children. In his mind, the woman would always be blamed for the break up because either the woman would cheat on him or the woman would initiate the break up.

Ah well, so many negative things pop in my head... I don't want to hurt him but I see that I am already hurting him with these negative thoughts.

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VihmaSajab · 07/11/2019 16:07

Stay at home dad (not sad)

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Grafittiqueen · 07/11/2019 16:10

Don't have children with this man. He will not pull his weight.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 07/11/2019 16:41

I see that I am already hurting him with these negative thoughts

No you're not. He doesn't know what you're thinking.

Please listen to us and finish with him before you end up pregnant and trapped. He has no idea how much hard work being a SAHP is and he won't be able to cope. You'l end up doing everything while he sits on his arse.

TeaForTara · 07/11/2019 17:08

I think you are right to be worried. He is lazy, likes having a life with no responsibilities, where he only has to do the good stuff. Your vision of the future with children is exactly what will happen, although you have missed out the part where you will be broke, because he isn't bringing in a decent wage and you're on maternity leave.

If you tell him what you are thinking, and give him an ultimatum (step up or ship out) I think he will make an effort for a few weeks or months but it will gradually slip back to where you are now. By all means, as I think it will make you feel better about ending the relationship, try to explain things and make clear your expectations of a partner. But also make it clear that the mental load is a big thing, so him saying "you only have to tell me to do something, and I'll do it" is still making it your problem, and unacceptable.

If you do decide to give him one more chance, if I were you I would set a deadline for yourself (2 months, 6 months, whatever you want) but don't tell him what that is. However, I think the relationship is doomed.

Whathewhatnow · 07/11/2019 18:08

You sound very clued up and self aware. He sounds .... not the man for you.

I see lack of drive, initiative, someone who will not push himself or take a risk, who blames others and you rather than accepting he has agency to change things. You sound very kind but you are having to compromise yourself massively because of him.

Having just come out of a relationship with a man who shared some of these traits I can tell you that they will drive you insane. Insane.

We had kids together. He was a combination of utterly passive and sporadically very angry and blaming, for the first few years till I lost my shit. Then followed years of me effectively helping him grow up.

I ended up feeling like I had raised an extra child; that finally did for our sex life.

Don't be me. Set your standards much much higher.

LionsHeart · 07/11/2019 18:21

You will end up carrying this man like a millstone around your neck for the rest of your life.
He only wants children to facilitate him being a SAHD - but he will do NOTHING with them, for them or to make their lives better.
He has openly said he will not let you have your children if you split up - and as the established SAHD, he is in a good position to try.

You have maturity, drive and ambition and have already outgrown this man-child. Why oh why aren't you already running?

Loveislandaddict · 07/11/2019 19:20

He probably only wants to be a SAHD because he envisages it’s the easier life. You will be expected to work and pay for his life. He won’t have to lift a finger.

FreedomBird · 07/11/2019 19:26

I think you are very wise having these concerns. I wish I’d not married my ex who was exactly the same. I thought love could conquer all... it doesn’t. When you have a lazy partner it breaks you eventually.

Whathewhatnow · 07/11/2019 19:35

The good thing about you, OP, is that you can clearly analyse the situation. Also, you are thinking about, and speaking about, your concerns....

Keep talking and questioning.

Sushiroller · 08/11/2019 00:07

You would be insane to breed with this man.

I was not surprised to read he would love to be a stay at home dad
In reality he'll sit them in front of a tv doing zero parenting while he does nothing and run ragged funding his lifestyle choices.

He is literally telling you his plan is to sit on his arse doing sweet FA

Run away as fast as you can.

VihmaSajab · 08/11/2019 08:32

Thank you so much for your support!
It is difficult to become 100% aware that the relationship is doomed. I read your replies and they open my eyes more and more.
I guess my issue is I have people-pleasing-tendencies and I too often feel sorry for him (I guess the actual love has long gone!?!?) However, somehow my people pleasing thing has never put me in very difficult position before (like this current situation). Currently, when I think about him, I feel sorry for him as he has not managed to find a very good job (he has always hoped he will have great opportunities there, he has been there 10 years, climbing the ladder but overall the company does not have those possibilities for him as he wants, though it seems like he cannot see it); he has no living place of his own (has always rented prior to me and lived 95% of the time with his previous girlfriends since moving out from his birth home), he has no furniture or anything or his own, even his phone is from his employer. Put this all together with his sobbing stories of how he has been bullied, how all his girls have left him and how unfair the entire world is (I get the feeling this is what he thinks) - my people-pleasing radar goes up to 100% in milliseconds! And every time I start thinking about those worrying thoughts, he comes in with flowers and chocolate in his hand, gives me a back-rub and soothes my headache, cooks a meal and is so lovey-dovey, gets us to a very nice weekend trip and all my worries go away for some time. And then I ask him to do something that needs effort and I'm all angry inside as he again does not deliver! Like a vicious cycle.And I keep thinking that if I only could help him get over his fears, anxieties etc everything will be ok. But I understand that indeed I cannot change a person and he has made it clear that the way he is is the right way for him.
I have thought about breaking up and I would love to have a chat with him and then he would say "I see, we are indeed different. let's part ways!". But I know it will not happen and then I suppress the idea. He will do whatever it takes to suck me back in and I start to feel sorry for him and I think he is the sweetest guy in the world and how can I leave him and life is not all about obligations and commitments etc and a broken shelf is no big deal and there is the entire lifetime to sort out dentist appointment or send out CVs or make sure the insurance is up to date, as long we have each other and spend great time together. And then the next day all my worries come back...
You have made me see that there is no saving the relationship. I think I like the idea @TeaForTara mentioned - having a chat and then putting a deadline for myself. But can I stick to it? Perhaps I should find counselling? Really, this is the most difficult situation I have ever been in. I guess I have been lucky that my life has turned out so good in most aspects, and I do feel bad throwing someone out of my life. I have had help form my parents and friends when I have had had difficultish times and thus I feel like I owe it to him to support him, to be there for him? (Though I must admit, he has a good family and a few friends, he just doesn't seem to want to contact them much and look for support from there). Counselling could help with those feelings, I guess?

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onanothertrain · 08/11/2019 10:18

This seems very familiar, have you posted this before?
I think you are just too different and this is how he is. TBH I think you seem as though you need to be in control and that would irritate me. If he's not the one for you and it seems as though you know he's not going by the list you've posted, then leave. Do what makes you happy.

BraveGoldie · 08/11/2019 13:50

Op, he sounds very like my ExH. There is a kind of impotence - lack of ability to move forward and implement stuff, and also a resistance to someone else providing solutions. He does fulfill set obligations at work but doesn't take steps to further his situation, despite being dissatisfied etc... I compensated by becoming more and more capable and just doing everything and trying to avoid imposing any burdens/obligations on him. He responded by deep down getting angry at me and finding a superficial sense of potency by having an affair with a needy girl 18 years his junior..,,

Not saying this would happen in your case.... just some resonant similarities in what you describe. Have you read the 'five personality patterns'? He sounds like the "enduring" pattern, as was my ExH. It may be enlightening....

Good luck.....

TeaForTara · 08/11/2019 16:11

OP, your update makes things completely clear, especially he has... always rented prior to me and lived 95% of the time with his previous girlfriends since moving out from his birth home

He thinks the world (and you) owe him a living but he won't put any effort in himself. He wants a better job but he CBA to apply for one. Not owning a phone / furniture - well, that's his choice, isn't it? He will do the easy stuff to keep you happy but he won't do the boring daily grind - that's your job. He likes being helpless and hopeless and reeling in women who will look after him and allow him to continue his responsibility-free lifestyle.

He is a cocklodger of the first order and he is playing you like a fiddle.

I've changed my mind - just dump him.

TeaForTara · 08/11/2019 16:14

Take extra care not to get pregnant. Once you drop the bombshell, be prepared for him to up the emotional blackmail big style e.g. claiming to be suicidal.

VihmaSajab · 08/11/2019 16:21

A lot to think about now. Feeling kind of lost discovering all my thoughts and feelings.

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Em2122 · 08/11/2019 16:26

He sounds a bit like my partner and I think it is quite common for the woman to end up becoming the organiser.

Loveislandaddict · 08/11/2019 18:25

I can understand how difficult it must be for you at the moment.

However, you are not responsible for his life. He seems to be coasting in life, without having to make any real decesions. He can do the fun bits - nice meals, lovey dovey etc, but doesn’t seem to want to do the daily grind of life. He sounds like he expects the world owes him a living, without going and getting it.

It’s up to you to decide whether you are willing to support him throughout life.

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