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Escaping the FOG of a friendship gone wrong

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TedTookVows · 05/11/2019 19:17

I have been "best friends" with someone for 20 years

Except we aren't best friends anymore and we haven't been for some years and I feel like we are both engaged in a charade that nothings changed and we haven't fallen out and this becomes particularly problematic at Christmas.

We haven't had a major disagreement and haven't had a verbal argument

From my perspective, we both had a number of personal events in succession and I felt there was a deep disparity between what was expected from me and what I was allowed to expect in return. She also made me feel like absolute shit when I was struggling with my mental health, she sent me a very cold text and was nowhere to be seen.

Next thing I know is, I'm in another situation were I'm expected to lavish attention on her and put myself out financially.

And I just pulled back, like enough, you're need to constantly be centre of attention has become a real problem for me.

It was one of those situations, were once a problem is seen it can't be unseen. Having pulled back from the friendship to leave it to her to make the effort it became obvious that I had done most of the legwork in keeping it going these years as well and that hurt all the more. Other things, that I had let go because of the friendship being long distance, and "We've only got 2 days, let it go" IYSWIM? came to the fore and I sort of had an epiphany that actually she was very selfish and held some unkind opinions about me

I still think that she probably thinks SHE ghosted ME, but it's fairly mutual we dropped any effort to contact each other roughly simultaneously. It had run its course.

However, we are trapped in a cycle of tis the season Christmas contact, were we exchange texts on the day and ask after each other. This makes me feel obligated to acknowledge her DC with gifts at Christmas, as that is what a "best friend" would do.

The reality is that these children don't know me from Adam, and one of the extenuating issues I had with her was how grasping and expectant she was around gifts for her DC
compared to her willingness to be reciprocal to the DC of others. (I don't have DC but this impacted mutual friends)

The reality also is that we won't have much if any contact for the rest of the year.

I'd like it to stop, but my fear is that if I'm the one who ends it, I de facto become responsible for the ultimate end of the friendship and it's a responsibility I don't really accept. She has made as little effort as me but would rather I be the one at fault.

I feel like I'm trapped in fear of being blamed, obligated to be nice and guilt that I really don't want this friendship, of itself but definitely not as a fake awkward pseudo obligation friendship either

I think what I'm looking for from this thread is the guts to carry it out and ignore the FOG/words to use if I am cast as the Bad Guy/challenged as to why I have ignored her and her DC this Christmas

Please be nice, I know I have let this drag too long, but the whole thing has been a really crappy experience that at times was upsetting.

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Singlenotsingle · 05/11/2019 19:23

It sounds like the sort of situation you'd have with a DH/bf. Neither of you wants to continue with the relationship but neither of you wants to be the one to finish it. I'd just go NC with her. She might even do the same. Don't text her on Christmas Day and she probably won't bother either. You're giving this too much headspace OP.

MaybeitsMaybelline · 05/11/2019 19:24

Block her on everything and disappear off the face of the earth?

onthecoins · 05/11/2019 19:27

Meh. Fuck it, you're not getting anything from this friendship. Don't send gifts. Just forget it and move on.

Davespecifico · 05/11/2019 19:30

Let it go and don’t worry about it. It sounds as if it will hurt your pride for you to be seen as the baddie when you think she is. I think, if you’re going to end it, it really doesn’t matter who and how, just stop, or virtually stop contact.

If you want to get out of the presents without any awkwardness, make something up e.g. we’ve decided not to do presents this year, except close family or something like that.

Life’s too short. Enjoy your time with warm and good people.

supercee · 05/11/2019 19:35

I can relate. Sort of going through the same thing with my 'best friend' of over 20 years. We have mutual friends, I am Godmother to her child but I'm not sure if I even like her anymore.

She constantly shits on me, appears to have everyone else running after her and doesn't appear to value me in any way, despite me doing many things for her. This year alone she has done a few things that have really hurt me but walks about like she's done nothing wrong and would never in a million years apologise for any of it.

We are not on each other's social media and if it wasn't for my little Goddaughter I'd go NC completely. Thinking of going NC completely anyway and continue to send gifts from afar to her DD.

It's so tough. It really is like being in a marriage, a bad one (well I'm not married but I'm guessing!). If I were you I'd just block completely.

TedTookVows · 05/11/2019 19:36

It isn't really that I think she's entirely/solely at fault as I chose to back away without explanation

Also she just naturally would be like "oh I'm so busy and so stressed, and I really feel like Ted should have been there more"

Without "when was I last there for Ted" occurring to her

She isn't malicious, just extremely thoughtless

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Goricki19 · 05/11/2019 19:36

Unfortunately life changes and so do people. It’s long distance you are living two very separate lives. Maybe she feels like seeing you on Facebook etc is like
Staying in contact? Do you have mutual friends? Maybe just phase out the presents - is it that bad to exchange a happy Christmas with a life long friend until that dies out too? Presumably you went through a lot together in that time and maybe she thinks that outweighs recent actions? Good you talk it out?

Butterisbest · 05/11/2019 19:46

Nobody can make you feel anything. Your feelings are your own, they don't belong to anyone other than you. You are not responsible for other people's behaviour, you are only responsible for your own.
It's incredibly easy for me to type this, but it's very difficult for you to put into practice.
You cannot change the way she behaves, you can only change your reaction to her behaviour. Wishing she were different is like wishing apples were more like oranges.
Of course she wants to/will blame you, but it really is up to you if you call time on this relationship. Please don't tie yourself up in knots trying to make sense of how she behaves.
It's not your fault if the lack of gift giving has an impact on other people's children. Again it's not up to you to manage other people's expectations.
It sounds like quite a toxic friendship, possibly she's a frenemy, as they can be described.
Look after your own mental health, you're very important and you need to be taken care of, without her if necessary. Very good wishes Flowers

TedTookVows · 05/11/2019 19:52

I'd be embarrassed to say exactly how long it is since we had an actual spoken conversation that wasn't text as you all would say I should have done this ages ago but I clung on for the shared history and sentiment reasons @Goricki19 mentions

I'm not on social media. At the time I left SM we were still in reasonable contact I explained why and asked her to keep me up to date on DC through text, didn't happen, some amateur dramatic behaviour with announcing second pregnancy but don't want to say what as if she read it she'd identify herself basically announcing through 3rd parties when my contact details are unchanged

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TedTookVows · 05/11/2019 20:18

@supercee

It's so difficult. It's like oh her DC is so cute but I don't know ANYTHING about them in terms if what they already have even, at what point is it ludicrous to buy gifts for a DC you never see, and wouldn't know what they'd like

At what point is it ludicrous to EXPECT them from someone who is a stranger to your DC ?

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Twisique · 05/11/2019 20:33

Send a brief text now saying you are cutting down on Christmas present buying to save the environment and wont be sending any cards either. You can't be at fault for saving the planet!

Next month tell her you are away for Christmas and you hope she has a nice time, HNY.

Then forget about her and don't bother next year. She won't bother with you.

TedTookVows · 06/11/2019 00:49

@Twisique

That's actually a pretty good idea, but I think I've found a better one...

I'm moving after Christmas, and was jthinking I'd put my new address in a card, but I'll send just a Christmas card with no gifts and without my new address and let that be an end to it.

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Twisique · 06/11/2019 10:35

Perfect!

ScreamingCosArgosHaveNoRavens · 06/11/2019 10:41

Does she know you're moving, or is it your intention that she wastes time and money by posting cards to an out of date address in the future?

I think Twisique's suggestion is better.

billandbenflowerpotmen1 · 06/11/2019 10:56

In a similar situation with a friend.
What I've done this year is to send an email a month or so ago and said words to the effect of ' hoping you're all well. Just giving you a heads up that I'm no longer buying anyone gifts at Christmas. Best wishes to you and yours and hope you enjoy the holiday.
The response was a little chilly but I got the message I wanted across without being disingenuous. It will also save me having to do the text on Christmas Day

fruitbrewhaha · 06/11/2019 11:03

I'd just tell her you aren't buying for them, she is being very grabby. Say you need to cut back as you have family to buy for and as you've seen how much kids have these days, I'm sure they won't be missing out. If you really don't want to hear from her again, don't give her your new address and block her if you need to.

TedTookVows · 06/11/2019 12:53

Point taken @ScreamingCosArgosHaveNoRavens I could always write in card "Terribly busy, currently moving" without new address, but perhaps silence is best

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