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Narcissistic mother, possible trigger warning

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TheTickingTime · 03/11/2019 11:05

Hi, I am not new to mumsnet, but I need to went and if possible have some insight from others who have narcissistic parents/mothers.

I was only 9 when I realised that my family dynamic was different to other families. My father was a fisherman, out at sea for long periods, and sometimes for weeks. When I was 9, my family moved into a bigger town, a two story house, we lived on the ground floor, and the High school headmaster lived with his brother and sister above us in their apartment, I promise this is relevant.

I made friends. One of whom I spent a lot of time with at their house. Her family was amazing, the food was on the table at set times, they had clean nice clothes on and nice bedrooms, and their home was nice and clean.

This is when I started questioning my own mum and dad. My own home and my parents. My mum never gave me a hug, hardly ever spoke to me and would have violent outbursts on occasion. I was 9 when the headmaster, who was retired, started showing interest in me, inviting me upstairs to receive chocolates, a chat, and he was like a granddad to me, he became a friend to me, also to my family.

My mum and dad divorced when I was 11. Dad moved out. My mum moved her new man in, 6 months after my dad left. I became withdrawn, stopped paying attention at school, grades went down, and I remember on several occasions I tried to speak to my mum, to no interest from her at all. I was skinny because we hardly had food at home, my mum worked all hours to try and keep a roof over our heads, my dad did not pay a penny towards our upkeep. He said to me, I was 11 at the time, that if my mum didnt want him, he had no obligations to help her out. And that was that.

With my grades going downhill, and with the former headmaster living upstairs, my mum sent me up there to do homework, which was nice, it was secure, friendly and I got spoken with. this resumed for a couple of years, me keeping me to me, grades staying down, mum and new man all loved up, home still grotty but some food on the table with new man contributing. I didnt like my mothers new man, I felt he had taken what little I had time with my mum, but then again I was 11. I was 12 when I got into a silly fight with my older sister, she is older by 2 years, we were close, but siblings and we were fighting, she had taken my clothing which I was going to wear, resulting in a fight, my stepdad intervened so my sister went into her bedroom, but my stepdad put his hands on my jaw and lifted me off the floor spitting in my face to stop it. Then walked to my mum where they were sat drinking coffee in the kitchen, I was numb. This resulted in me spending more and more time in my bedroom, this is when I started isolating myself for hours at a time, straight after school, not going out, not spending time with my friends, or family unless I was made to. My mum didnt care.
I also started going upstairs to the headmasters family as they were nice, and their home was clean and welcoming. I was 13 when the former headmaster started making remarks about my looks, first on my appearance, writing poems to me, and then placing hands on my leg or shoulder if I was sat down in his living room, safe, or so I thought. It wasnt long until he went further, telling me I should just sleep next to him in his bed, he kissed me, and touched me inappropriately. I never slept in is his bed though as I knew he was inappropriate and his behaviour very odd. This did not happen all at once, it happened gradually over time. I completely stopped going upstairs, then spoke to my best friend, who then spoke to her mum, and then my mum spoke to me after me having tried talking to her about it weeks earlier. Living in a small sea side town something like this goes round like fire and now everyone knew in the village, hence my mum scalding me for being so careless with such gossip, she obviously spoke to the former headmaster, who denied it, and she carried on telling me to have lessons or get help with my homework from him, sending me upstairs on regular basis, giving him gratitude and ignoring me.

My sister knew nothing of it, or if she did she had more than enough on her plate, GCSEs and a boyfriend, that she eventually moved in with at the age of 17,. She later told me she could not stand living at home. My mum beat her up once after she came an hour late, at the age of 17, she had been with her boyfriends family for a meal and evening together. My mum knew where she was going.

When I look back I am saddened that no once picked up on the neglect, no one intervened.

I was 18 when I moved to my grandparents who lived in a city, and life became better. I started work in a mall and life got normal.

My dad was inactive for decades, still is, made his own family as you do I guess, and we lost touch. My sister staid in touch though, and had a good relationship with everyone. My mum re-married my stepdad, had my brother who is 17 years younger than myself, and made a good life for themselves. They are now middle class, living the life which is amazing. No one would ever think my mum and step dad were/are abusive.

I have two children, both grown ups, amazing kids.

However, I have never got over how abusive, dismissive and condescending my mum is towards me and my sister, me probably more as I am not as successful as my sister is. I married twice, both incredibly abusive men. And then came the point I had counselling, I spoke for the first time about my childhood and was advised on narcissistic parenting.

My mother has a way of making me feel so inadequate, then tells me I am amazing, then that I should have done this, that or the other, then dismisses me, all in a few minute conversation.My mum is the master of gaslighting.
I have tried going no contact, but I am unable to sustain it due to my children obviously loving their Nan, and spending time with them, and may I add she is perfect regarding them which is good, but sad in a way as I never got to see that side of her when I was growing up.She is like two completely different individuals. I want to go no contact, just so that I can resume with my life without her constantly making me feel so dismissed and irrelevant. She has the ability to make me feel so stupid and unwanted. I am so saddened by it.

My sister has told me to stop trying to look for the mum everyone should have had growing up, and start seeing her as a woman who never was a mother. I am trying. There is so much more to my childhood, and more abuse too that I cannot cram in here, but how have others handled their mothers? and how do you move on from feeling so bereft and feeling so inadequate?

I already live 2000 miles away from her so she does not just pop in, but she is coming over mid December. Please help

OP posts:
TheTickingTime · 03/11/2019 11:59

Apologies on my long thread, but has anyone been in a similar situation?

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12345kbm · 03/11/2019 13:56

I can relate to this and I'm sorry you went through it. I can only suggest that you stop all contact with your mum because there is something very wrong with her and she is incapable of giving you the love and support you need. Your children are grown up now, so if they want to remain in contact with your mother, they can but you don't have to.

That man was grooming you from a very young age as I'm sure you've realised. I'm not sure whether you want to report him or take it further but there are resources where you can get support on that. The NSPCC may be able to give you advice on that 0808 800 5000

There's an organisation called NAPAC (National Association for People Abused in Childhood) who have a helpline: 0808 801 0331 They have information on their website you might find useful and there is a search facility for local support.

You are a grown woman and your mother failed you in every way and she is still dumping all over you. It's hard when you've been so neglected to maintain good boundaries, but you need to ban your mother from your home. It's not ok for her to come to her home and demean you in this way. I give you permission to walk away if that's what you're looking for.

I don't know what your financial position is or whether or not you can afford counselling. There is a group called Anxiety UK who have reduced costs for counselling if you are on benefits: 03444 775 774 It may also be worth seeing if you can self refer through the NHS beta.nhs.uk/find-a-psychological-therapies-service/

There are some good books on assertiveness and boundaries which you can find on Amazon, just read the reviews and find something that sounds like it will work for you.

Mumsnet also has a long running thread for those with similar experiences of parental neglect and abuse you might find useful called 'but we took you to stately homes' which you'll find on the Relationships board. You can share your experiences in a safe space and get support there.

TheTickingTime · 03/11/2019 16:03

Thank you @12345kbm. I have had c3and it was eye opening and liberating. I did not know of the above organisations so will look them up. Again thank you Flowers

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12345kbm · 03/11/2019 16:15

Sometimes we just want validation my darling and you've got it from me. Also look up scapegoating. It's very common in dysfunctional families for one child to be the 'scapegoat', and it sounds like that was you. It can really help to explore these issues so that you understand that there really is nothing wrong with you. There's nothing wrong with you, there never was. I wish you all the very best.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 03/11/2019 16:29

What 12345kbm wrote.

Cancel her visit to you in mid December; its really no point at all in having her over. You will just get a repeat of what you've already suffered from her at her hands and being with her anyway is like watching a repeat of a tv show you've always hated. She is beneath contempt as is the stepfather and the "kindly" headmaster who saw in you a vulnerable and emotionally neglected young girl who went onto commit both a criminal offence not just to say a gross breech of trust by abusing you as he did. That is all on him and the abuse both from him and the adults in your life is not your fault in any way. They all failed you utterly here as people and parental figures. None of them are fit to clean your shoes.

I would also look at and post on the "well we took you to Stately Homes" thread on these pages as 12345 has directed. You have physical distance but you now need to have mental distance as well. It is really not possible to have a relationship with a narcissistic parent and they make for being deplorably bad both as parent and grandparent figures.

Deal with any and all fear, obligation and guilt through therapy. BACP are good and do not charge the earth. Interview such people carefully and at length beforehand and do not pick anyone who has any familial bias.

I am not all that surprised that your biological father went onto leave this woman. A huge pity he did not take you with him. Women like your mother cannot do relationships so the men in their lives are either as narcissistic or abusive as they are (like your stepfather) or are otherwise discarded (like your dad was).

Many adult children of narcissists also fall into this trap re the kids too. She has not changed since your childhood and having her around your kids now is a mistake. A good rule of thumb here is that if the parent is too difficult/toxic for you to deal with its the same deal for your kids. Your mother will use your children and harm them in not too dissimilar ways as to how you yourself have been harmed by her and in turn your stepdad. She could well try and steal their hearts and minds from under your very nose. None of you should have anything to do with her now.

Blackswan · 03/11/2019 16:43

You're carrying around enough pain. When you were a child you had no choice but to put up with the abuse. But now you can put yourself first. Enough is enough - I would go NC. I live in a different country to my parents, and have done for years, and I'm reluctant to visit. People don't understand why, and i think they judge me for it - but given the abuse in my childhood and early adulthood, I owe them nothing. I do love my mother still, but not at all my father - i can't stand him. I don't have to put myself out so they can pretend that we have some kind of relationship. It's better for my emotional well being to keep my distance.

RhinoskinhaveI · 03/11/2019 21:14

cut her out and protect yourself, she makes mine look mild and I dropped that b1tch from my life decades ago.
if you need permission take it from me and all the others who have voiced their concerns for you.
I'm so sorry for what you've been through, put yourself first now Flowers

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