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Should I tell friend?

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BarbaraFromOopNorth · 03/11/2019 10:08

My friend is just on the verge of buying a house with her partner of five years. He comes with a couple of kids and an ex-wife who he has just got divorced from.

I have known my friend for 20 odd years. She's lovely, has always worked hard and has done well for herself. I'm really glad that she is moving on with her life and has found a great new house, etc. However, both DH and I absolutely cannot stand her DP so much so that we have purposely avoided him for the last two years. On the rare occasion we did see him prior to that it got to the point that he had absolutely nothing to say to us (i.e. going for lunch and giving one word answers/not engaging in conversation, sitting on his mobile phone while she is standing near the door chatting as we are leaving after staying the night, etc.).

We're in a very good financial position but you wouldn't realise it to look at us (think small house, two older cars, etc.). Also no one is aware that our mortgage is paid off.

In contrast, he likes his wealth to be visible (car, clothes, house) and his friends we have met are very similar. A lot of this attitude has rubbed off on my friend and when we met the other day everything we discussed had a value attached to it and she will only ever buy brands (i.e. Ted Baker, Joules, Barbour, etc.) when she was previously a bit of a Next girl.

She had a really lovely group of friends where she is (a bit of a distance from me). They were all different and really down to earth but they all seem to have disappeared (new DP wasn't really interested in them and referred to them as the 'oddballs'). She now only ever seems to socialise with his friends and occasionally me.

It possibly sounds like sour grapes but I am actually quite concerned for her as I think the fancy trappings are a bit of an illusion. She is putting a huge chunk of money into the house (about half of the value). She gave me an indication of the monthly mortgage payments/interest rate which would equate to the other half of the value based on 25 years. I can't really ask her if he is actually putting any equity in (had house with ex-wife). He loves going to Las Vegas (at least once a year), going to the races, etc. and I'm really concerned for her that he doesn't actually have a pot to piss in.

In addition to all this I am absolutely dreading having to go to their new house. DH has told me to just go and wear a tupperware smile when the time comes. However, he is the nicest, most rational and accepting human being you could hope to meet which makes the fact that being in agreement on disliking her DP even worse!

What would you do? I'm on the verge of letting this friendship drift because I just don't know how to deal with it. Sad

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JK1773 · 03/11/2019 10:16

You absolutely must not tell her you don’t like him. You can’t make her choose because she won’t choose you.
I was your friend in this situation. My friends and family didn’t like my ex and I knew that. What I needed from them was just politeness. I saw people away from him as much as I could. When he was there I was so grateful if people engaged with him.
When I decided to leave it was those friends and family that had been there for me that I relied on. None of them said ‘I told you so ...’
If you want to be a good friend just be there for her, she’ll appreciate it.
People who voiced doubts about my ex I started withdrawing from at the time.

BarbaraFromOopNorth · 03/11/2019 10:24

Thanks @JK1773. The friends who voiced doubts, did any of that resonate with you at the time or were you so in love that it went over your head?

I've had a bad feeling about him all along. I hoped that the relationship would fizzle out but it hasn't and those bad feelings haven't gone away.

I'm aware that if I say something now it will look like jealousy. I suspect that she has always viewed me as poorer due to the fact that we just don't discuss/advertise what we have (DH is very well paid/me much less!).

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BarbaraFromOopNorth · 03/11/2019 10:26

I think I'm also saying that I don't really like who she is becoming and that's probably only going to get worse.....

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Bluerussian · 03/11/2019 10:32

You don't sound jealous at all, indeed why would you be?

I feel sorry for your friend, her partner sounds dreadful but he is her choice, you cannot do anything about it. Please don't try to tell her, just be there for her; if she asks you questions give honest answers, otherwise don't voice your opinion.

You sound like a good friend - your husband too.

BarbaraFromOopNorth · 03/11/2019 10:36

I've managed to maintain a decent friendship with her throughout this but the invitation to the see the new house is going to come shortly.

What do I do? Shall I go? I feel sick at the thought but not sure how I can decline graciously without her being suspicious. Sad

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Musti · 03/11/2019 10:45

If she hasn't bought the house already then bring up that she should ring fence her deposit unless he's put in an equal share. Does she have kids or does she want them?

Regarding seeing her. If you still like her and enjoy spending time with her then carry on doing so and be polite to her oh. Try and invite her to girls only stuff with you and that way you get to spend time with her and not him.

Ariela · 03/11/2019 10:47

I'd take a cautious approach, rather than say you think he's going to blow her life savings more that you want to see she's covered all bases in case 'something happens to him'.

I'd take her for coffee and say how pleased you are she is moving on with her life, but ask her to be absolutely sure she has ring-fenced her proportion of the cash she is putting up for the property just in case something should happen to her DP. Make her aware she needs to ensure they both have wills - if he died his kids would inherit his share and so she'd likely have to sell up etc. etc. unless she has ring-fenced her contribution etc.

BarbaraFromOopNorth · 03/11/2019 10:57

No, she doesn't want children (and is too old now).

Yes, she is going to protect her contribution (just about to get wills written).

I don't know. I do still quite enjoy seeing her but she's changed quite a bit. Everything discussed has a value attached now and I find that pretty dull/tiring. Has been panicking her arse off about her job which hasn't been stable for a while but in the next breath was talking about buying a large expensive car. I really couldn't give a shit and preferred her when she made sensible decisions.

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JK1773 · 03/11/2019 13:29

When it was me OP I knew very deep down that my friends were right but I didn’t want to see it. I then felt I couldn’t speak to those friends in good or bad times. In good times I thought they wouldn’t be pleased for me or want to hear about it. In bad times I kept it to myself so people wouldn’t think even worse of him. Ridiculous really looking back now. My friends and family thought he was rude, ignorant and tight! They were right of course

BarbaraFromOopNorth · 03/11/2019 14:34

Thanks everyone

I do wonder if she's aware. With her last boyfriend, they often came to us and vice versa but he was far more personable. Now I only ever see her on her own. DH hasn't seen her for over two years.

Have decided to step back and only give my opinion if asked. Potentially I could go and see the new house on a weekday so I will suggest that if it comes up and then we could go to lunch.

I feel pretty awful avoiding her DP but I really have no interest in seeing him. I couldn't care less if I ever see him again. God help me if they decide to get married!

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unfathomablefathoms · 03/11/2019 14:37

He is trying to isolate her. Don't let him.

BarbaraFromOopNorth · 03/11/2019 14:49

@unfathomablefathoms I did read that on another thread where someone said that all their friends dropped off due to their DP's behaviour.

Thing is, I don't understand why he would do that. Bizarrely, he actually seems to have quite a lot of friends but they are very a bit nouveau rich horsey/rugby set who all drive Range Rovers and he knows them via the kids/pub/rugby club. He likes to think he's quite posh/monied but in reality he's a bit of a geezer salesman type.

Her background is very much northern working class and whenever she goes back to see family she seems to go alone half of the time. Excuses seems to be last minute child care arrangements or not wanting to go because he planned to watch the football/rugby.

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GuyForks · 03/11/2019 16:55

Over emphasis on visible wealth how stuff looks combined with isolating someone from friends are two classic indicators of a narcissistic personality disorder. He could just be a common or garden twat of course but those are red flag enough to consider it.

Narcissists suck people dry including financially. Don't tell her you hate him but I would start with checking with her she's protected herself financiallly and legally. If you have to, lead her to a lawyer's appointment.

It probably wont' make a blind bit of difference but at leasat you've tried.

Do stay in touch with her though because if he does have narcissistic personality disorde she'll need your help to get out in a few years

BarbaraFromOopNorth · 03/11/2019 19:05

@GuyForks I hate to say it but I think you might be spot on.

DH and I previously worked in the same industry. When he found out who I had worked for (fairly prestigious) he didn't want to discuss it (think one word answer to question). Has sold himself to my friend as being a high flying exec but DH and I know otherwise. It doesn't really matter to us but it does fit with the narcissistic tendencies.

Crikey, I just hope she comes to her senses. Has always said that she values my opinion and that I give good advice. Sad

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