Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Is there a point of trying to turn him non-lazy?

18 replies

ilusilm · 02/11/2019 08:03

Hello!
I have turned a bit resentful towards my DP (living together). We get along well, have fun, are affectionate etc, all good. He is also helpful at home mostly - cooks, washes his own laundry, cleans. However, he is a bit lazy though and does not notice the need to clean very quickly and there are numerous small things he just does not do or he takes a long time. I do not have massive needs for spotless place, but living in a small place putting away stuff is pretty important to have more space. I am totally happy to clean big 2-3 times a month (washing floors, thorough cleaning of bathroom and kitchen, changing sheets etc). So I do not have high standards I guess.
But he does not notice the need to clean, if I tell him we should clean and change sheets, he is ok to do it together, but he never notices the need himself. Everyday a lot of stuff gathers into the kitchen and if I do not clean it up, it takes him several days to get to it (and has a couple of times whined that the kitchen is a mess), he will eventually do it himself, but it takes a lot of time. By the way, he uses much more dishes as he eats more often. He trims his facial hair and leaves the hairs in the sink.. he leaves dirty pots-pans to soak in the sink for days.. he leaves empty bottles on the kitchen counter, he leaves his laundry to try for days, even for a week (taking massive space away in our little space). Once he told me, when I asked, that yes he sees the dirt and need to clean, but just does not feel like cleaning most of the times. We started sorting trash a month ago, on his initiative, been doing well. But yesterday I noticed he has been putting packages into regular trash - because the packages container was full and he did not bother to empty it. I called him out on it, he played a little-ashamed-boy act.
There are so many small things that I should point him out, that it gets exhausting. I wonder what would happen if we ever had children?? It seems he is able to an extent to listen and improve, but I feel like a mother, like a nag.. He won't even bring new toilet paper in the bathroom when he uses the last piece of it... So on the surface everything is ok, he is capable of doing these things and eventually does, but meanwhile we would be living in a total mess if I would not do things.
Is there a point in even trying to "mother" him? Does it have lasting effect?

But even worse, is that yesterday I just felt plain hurt, to be honest. He promises to do something and most of the time he eventually won't or it takes ageeeees. We need a new clock (his initiative), he told that he knows exactly where to get an ideal one and he will do it. Two weeks have gone by, haven't heard about it. We talked about having a carpet, he told he will look what their store has to offer. Another two weeks, zero information. New light switch is needed, he has not been happy with those that are offered in stores. I told him to find one he wants. Months... And he works in a big construction store!!!!!! Everything is there every day! And why I feel hurt? Because lately he has been telling me how he is like a god in the store as he has put mirrors on the walls, repaired doors etc - "Oh they were whining that a door is broken, I thought how hard can it be and went and tried and repaired it", "Oh the colleagues insisted we need a mirror and a shelf in the office rooms, well I sorted it out, everyone is happy!".
So no problem doing such things at work...

And it's not like he does not have time. He only goes to work and spends time with me. No children, no hobbies, no regular meetings with friends, no helping his parents, nothing.

OP posts:
LolaSmiles · 02/11/2019 08:08

Different people have different standards of what they consider ok.
I'm messier than some of my friends for example so leaving laundry on a drier a few more days wouldn't bother me.
The question really is whether he'd be doing anything different if you didn't. E.g. someone who doesn't pick up or is messy AND expects their partner to do it all is very different from someone who is messy but doesn't expect their partner to do it all because in their eyes it doesn't need doing yet.

Things that are unhygienic then yes I think you can mention it, leaving shaving trimmings in the sink is disgusting. Trying to change his whole approach to living together probably won't work and you'll end up sounding like his mum nagging him (which will get on his nerves and cause you to feel resentment).

SmallAndFarAway · 02/11/2019 08:13

He doesn't see it as his job at home, it's your job because you are a woman. Is there any other possible explanation?

Don't have children with him unless he changes dramatically - have a read of the many, many threads by the women who did with similar men on here and see what your future would be.

waterSpider · 02/11/2019 08:52

Maybe read this ... could be long-term issues.

mustbethistalltoride.com/2016/01/14/she-divorced-me-because-i-left-dishes-by-the-sink/

ShippingNews · 02/11/2019 08:53

Unless he wears a nappy, don't expect that you can change him.

ThisThat · 02/11/2019 08:58

he is also helpful at home.... washes his own laundry Jesus, is this considered helpful of a grown man these days. Tbh I think you could spend your life trying to change him, or waiting around for him to spot the mess and do something about it.

You have 2 choices (if you want to stay together), do it yourself- not really fair and will build massive resentment. Or make one/two days a week cleaning days where you clean together, tell him what to do (annoying I know), but at least you're both doing it

LolaSmiles · 02/11/2019 08:58

shipping people can make an effort, but it has to come from a place of understanding.
I do one chore a set way and DH doesn't get it at all (I think his way is simply wrong and illogical) we muddle through and he makes an effort to do that chore more my way as it's a personal irritation. I know that my threshold for a different chore is much lower than his, so I make a conscious effort to move closer to his because I know it annoys him. What would piss me off is if he sulked and said "Lola's lazy and can't be bothered and is it worth me trying to change her".

I know a few couples with mismatched attitudes to different elements of home chores. They find a way forward, but it comes from adults discussing and compromising, not one adult nagging.

5LeafClover · 02/11/2019 10:25

Is there a point in even trying to "mother" him? Does it have lasting effect?

It will have a lasting effect on you and not a good one.

It will entrench a status quo that his needs and views are most important and that you can be ignored or even put down for asking him to put himself out for you. This attitude rarely applies just to one area in your life together.

It will exhaust you and frustrate you if you decide to try harder and do it yourself. It will be increasingly hard if you have a child and he will have become used to it so will blame you rather than step up.

If you decide to go with the 'leave it and he will sort it' approach , it will affect your self esteem and isolate you and he will do less and less while using the fact that you don't do it either against you if you ask.

Stop thinking of it as him helping you to get something that only benefits you. Stop taking his problems in living tidily on to yourself. If you are having difficulty making your voice heard and your needs met in your own home seek individual counseling to talk this through.

Zaphodsotherhead · 02/11/2019 10:29

When I lived at home, my mother had what I considered to be ridiculous standards. Rugs had to be straightened to a particular level, fruit bowl had to be stacked a particular way, washing up HAD to be done the way she did it or it was wrong and she would strop.

I left home determined that I would never be so ruled by the house. Now I'm lax and fairly untidy. but I still remember that feeling of resentment that whatever I did, it wasn't going to be up to HER standard.

Have you talked to your DP about what his childhood expectations were? If he never lifted a finger and his sisters did all the house chores, then it's very different to him being (as I was) made to live up to someone else's standards. He may not be lazy, in other words, he may be rebelling.

Or he might be a lazy twat who wants you to do it all for him. Only you can tell the difference.

Scott72 · 02/11/2019 11:07

5LeafClover if she does "mother" him you say it will be entirely beneficial to him. Actually it will be bad for both of them, she'll feel resentful, he'll feel nagged. In my view people are usually only capable of small gradual changes. The sort of substantial short term change she needs of him to stop feeling resentful he probably isn't capable of.

Innishh · 02/11/2019 11:22

......no hobbies, no regular meetings with friends, no helping his parents, nothing.

Christ he sounds a joy sucking bore.
Why are you with him?

Yes it’s all deliberate - what’s his relationship like with his mother? Sounds like a manchild! It’s passive aggressive - can’t say “No” - so just doesn’t do it - it’s all done to deliberately frustrate you indirectly without raising his voice.

Don’t let him turn you into a nag. Call him on it. Tell him you know his game plan. ONCE draft a list together with jobs, standards, deadlines - split it 50/50 and be clear that you will not live in this dynamic.

I bet that you will not be able to get the manchild to even sit at the table without squirming, avoiding and being passive aggressive. He will sulk as he doesn’t want to work in an adult partnership with you. If he starts the list and passive aggressively mucks it up a few weeks in call him on it ONCE. If he doesn’t - reflect, change, grow into a functioning adult - bin him and move on ASAP.

cacklingmags · 02/11/2019 11:45

Sexist knob. I would not give him the time of day. If you want to spend the rest of your life working your arse off to keep this bozo happy just carry on doing what you are doing. He is not like this by accident - it is by design so that he can have a very easy life and you can have a very hard one.

unfathomablefathoms · 02/11/2019 12:02

Why would you want to live like this long term?

The only person you can change is yourself.

5LeafClover · 02/11/2019 12:05

Scott72....she's living with someone who, despite being asked, does not see the need to extend his shave routine to the tune of ten seconds to rinse the sink after himself. She's not forcing 'mothering' on him to his detriment, she's using 'mothering' as a verb to mean 'pick up after him without complaint'. And that is solely to his advantage.

Agree totally with you that actually it's not good to be that way and that he might not be changing any time soon.

EllaEllaE · 02/11/2019 22:01

Ugh. Read this:

www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/features/a12063822/emotional-labor-gender-equality/

and then this:
www.harpercollins.com/9780062855985/fed-up/

He can change but only if he's willing to put in a lot of work to figure out how to 'see' the mess he currently can't see.

RLEOM · 02/11/2019 23:21

Urgh. Sounds like my ex - absolute nightmare! He wouldn't be able to do anything all night if he'd put clothes into the washing machine, considered it as a challenging task. 🙄 The flat was always a mess. Empty food wrappers next to the bin, floors so dirty they were sticky, rarely flushed the chain. Gross.

Then we had a baby. He was still lazy. I left due to PND when our baby was 3 months.

Now our baby is mobile, he's had to make an effort to clean and keep things tidy. But he wouldn't have been doing that had I still lived there, I would've ended up doing it all. He's had no choice than to be a responsible adult.

Feilin · 03/11/2019 18:25

My DH and I had a conversation the other week where he said he felt that he was no good at sorting xyz I pointed out to him that if he didnt have me and mil he would find fairly sharpish that he would be. Its a simple thing of they never have to think of the small stuff and house work is small stuff.

bunhead34 · 04/11/2019 10:43

I truly can't understand why some (a lot of?!) men are like this.
My DH is smart and caring, good job, good personal hygiene.
BUT when the food in the food bin is mouldy he can't fathom that he should take it out.
When the recycling bin in full he balances things on top.
I went away for a week with work and when I came back the tea cup I had left on the coffee table before running out the door was still on the table?!
The cat had kicked litter everywhere but he couldn't take 30seconds to run the hoover?
So I didn't have to come home to a pig sty. Didn't think to but a loaf of bread so there was something to eat after my 12 hour flight?!
Didn't bother his arse to change the bed as I left on the day id normally do it!

I dread to think what kind of a state the bathroom would need to be in before he cleaned it.

Obviously this has hit a nerve 😂
We have had conversations about 'the mental load' and then 2nd shift', it has helped.

I think it just comes down to if you can live with it or not.
make him pay For a cleaner if he won't pull his weight (this is what I'm doing!) if he can afford it.

LemonTT · 04/11/2019 11:00

People change and mature. How, if or when this happens is matter of circumstances. Spouses, family and partners can certainly influence that change. Which can be for the better or for the worse.

Some people never really change. Although circumstances do change, as does our perspective on them. A chilled fun loving person is great until kids come along. Then they are just irresponsible and lazy if they carry on as before.

In all these examples I want to scream that your partner isn’t a puppy to be trained. He or she is a person. Unless you are incredibly controlling and manipulative, you won’t change them. So don’t pick someone you can’t live with or who won’t shape up into parenthood, unless you want to carry all the homemaking workload.

New posts on this thread. Refresh page
Swipe left for the next trending thread