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How to get stalker ex to bugger off?

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yetanothernameforMN · 23/10/2019 11:31

My friend's having trouble with an ex. She's not on MN but asked me to post this as I told her you lot are great at knowing how to deal with arsehole exes.

My friend had a holiday romance this summer with an American guy who seemed lovely at the time. When she got back to the UK, they carried on a long distance relationship and he said he'd come visit the UK in the Spring to see her and some clients he (allegedly) has here. But it became clear fairly quickly that it wasn't going to work - narcissistic red flags all over the place, so my friend ended it and asked him to leave her alone.

But now, he just won't leave her alone. She's had to block him on social media so he's started contacting her friends and even sending messages to a charity group she volunteers with. He can be very charming, and it's not obvious to those who aren't in the know, what he's up to. e.g. the most recent message to the charity was a public Facebook message, offering to volunteer skills in the specific area my friend volunteers in and mentioning they he'd be over (to the area she lives in) next year. On the surface, it sounds like a nice offer and people who don't know him, started chatting with him about it. But, my friend knows he's meaning her to see it, and it's intended to get at her. It's really insidious - he sounds so innocent if you don't know the context.

If he was in the UK, this would be harassment, wouldn't it? The law is clear here, isn't it? If you ask someone to stop contacting you or your friends and they keep on doing it, then that's harassment, isn't it? Does the US have similar laws?

My friend is really worried about him coming over - as he still claims to be planning to do so. She really wants him to just leave her alone, the whole thing is really distressing.

I was thinking, if what he's doing is harassment in the UK but not the US, might a legal letter explaining that he's breaking UK law if he keeps contacting her (and therefore, risking interest from the police if he comes here) be a good idea? Hopefully it might put him off actually coming here and make even him stop if he understands it's illegal here? (Another friend of mine was harassed by an ex years ago, and he did bugger off once she got the police involved).

I've said I'll help my friend look into this. How would we go about doing this? Could we write it ourselves or would we need a proper solicitor to write it?

Any ideas on how to deal with this situation would be much appreciated. I'll send my friend a link to this thread, so she'll be able to read responses.

(Regular but NC as I don't want to tie this post to any identifying info of mine that he might use to get at me or my friend).

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endofthelinefinally · 23/10/2019 11:33

I believe the Suzy Lamplugh Trust has good advice on this.

penisbeakers · 23/10/2019 11:36

Which state is he from in America please? It will affect the process. I'll check back in later as I've had a similar experience and it was a bit of a nightmare but I sorted it out.

yetanothernameforMN · 23/10/2019 11:44

Which state is he from in America please? I'm not sure. I'll ask my friend when I speak to her later.

I'm sorry to hear you've been through similar but it's encouraging to hear you got it sorted.

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yetanothernameforMN · 23/10/2019 11:44

I'll have a look 33endofthelinefinally thanks.

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yetanothernameforMN · 23/10/2019 13:34

I had a look at the Suzie Lamplugh Trust.

I now understand there's a difference between harassment and stalking (a more serious offence) and although what this guy is doing arguably is stalking, It's harassment specifically that I think is the useful law at this point.

This is because (but please correct me if I'm wrong!) I think harassment is pretty straightforward - if you ask someone not to bother you and they keep on doing it, then they're harassing you, and that's against the law, isn't it?

It's this simple point which I thought it'd be useful for my friend's ex to understand as hopefully he'll be sufficiently worried by the threat of police action to leave my friend alone. It's this which I'd love any advice on.

Stalking looks like a more serious offence and useful to prove if you want to get an injunction- but I don't think my friend is at that point, It's just about warning him off.

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yetanothernameforMN · 23/10/2019 13:35

Has anyone had any experience with dealing with someone who was harassing them?

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Baileysandcream · 23/10/2019 16:04

Has she locked down her social media accounts so that everything she does is private and visible to friends only? On facebook it's a good idea to limit friends list so that only you and mutual friends can see who you are friends with. Likewise pages she's liked, events, etc should all be made private. Checking the "view as public" should show what anyone who isn't a friend can see.

Simply blocking him isn't enough if her settings are open to public as it's so easy to just set up a second account to see what she is up to.

penisbeakers · 24/10/2019 07:27

It's not as straightforward as you think because you're dealing with someone from another country and it differs from state to state which is why I asked about which state he's from.

yetanothernameforMN · 24/10/2019 11:40

penisbeakers I just tried to PM you which State it is (my friend is worried about putting too much identifying stuff online) but MN says you don't accept PMs.

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yetanothernameforMN · 24/10/2019 11:42

Has she locked down her social media accounts so that everything she does is private and visible to friends only?

She's blocked him. But I think it's possible some of her friends who know him from the holiday also might still be FB friends with him.

I'll suggest she checks her public profile, good advice, thanks.

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yetanothernameforMN · 24/10/2019 11:44

It's not as straightforward as you think I was thinking of the UK law.

If he does come over here, he'll be subject to UK law won't he? Even if he's bullshitting about coming over next year, he has said he wants to come to the UK in general.

I was wondering if an official-sounding letter explaining that his actions are illegal in the UK and put him at risk of arrest if he comes here might be sufficient to warn him off?

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yetanothernameforMN · 24/10/2019 11:44

I didn't even think there might be a chance that the US would take any notice of our harassment laws, but if there is, that's really interesting.

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yellowallpaper · 24/10/2019 11:45

I think she needs to be very careful in this situation. This stalking is a red flag for murder or serious harm. Sorry but that is the worst case scenario and she needs to take it very seriously. I would contact the police for signposting to the right agency for help.

FuriousVexation · 24/10/2019 11:47

Suggest she knocks her existing FB account on the head and makes a new one as "Minnie Mouse" with a non-portrait profile photo. (Or just comes off FB completely.)

Can give her new account ID to family and friends IF she can trust them not to be gullible to his stories.

From what you've described he probably hasn't broken the law (in either country) as he's not contacted her directly. Laws on harassment and stalking haven't really kept up with the online world.

MissDew · 24/10/2019 12:07

Get some advice from Women's' Aid here in regard to contacting your local police to ask them if they can ask the police in his local area to see if the police there have any concerns regarding his behaviour.

Yep, far fetched and I'll probably get flamed for even mentioning it but I've put it out there.

yetanothernameforMN · 24/10/2019 12:09

From what you've described he probably hasn't broken the law (in either country) as he's not contacted her directly.

My friend's charity is kind of like her place of work. Isn't him contacting the charity like him contacting her place of work? Are there rules against that?

There are lots of volunteers and an active social media presence. He could worm his way in there, potentially.

He had no contact with the charity before knowing her.

He did used to contact her directly. I'm not sure if he still does / is able to now she's blocked him.

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yetanothernameforMN · 24/10/2019 12:10

yellowallpaper that's worrying. It's comforting that there's a huge ocean between them. My friend is hoping he's bullshitting about coming over to the UK, but doesn't know him well enough to know if he'll go that far or not in reality.

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GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 24/10/2019 12:25

Has she explained the situation to her friends who are still linked to him on social media (and also the charity she is involved with?)

Can she not ask them to cut ties with him?

MissDew · 24/10/2019 13:40

I suspect he's a wind-up artist just doing it for attention.

'Next year' is a suitably nebulous term. Also, is he really going to spend/waste money on travelling expenses ?

OK, stalkers go to great lengths but hopefully he'll get distracted by something else and disappear.

yetanothernameforMN · 24/10/2019 13:50

hopefully he'll get distracted by something else and disappear

I hope you're right. He claims he has clients here he's been meaning to visit for a while and keeps mentioning the trip online.

He's definitely been reaching out to people in the sector over here online, but again whether that's bluff or not it's hard to say.

My friend certainly feels worried enough by it not to dismiss it out of hand.

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penisbeakers · 24/10/2019 15:50

I really don't think sharing the state he's from is going to cause an issue. Some states have online stalking and harassment laws and some don't.

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