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How to talk about sex issue

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Suitsetaja · 23/10/2019 09:51

I'd like to improve our sex life, I have understood the issue, but I do not know how to talk to him about it.

We have had ups and downs in our relationship, though we have not been together too long, a couple of years. The troubles are related to us being rather different. I'm more like a doer, go-getter, an active introvert - meaning that I value my peace and quiet but I also value getting things done, working on projects, doing some socialising and trying not to procrastinate. He is more a passive kind of person, procrastinates much and has some low self-esteem and some anxiety issues, has trouble taking responsibility in life, making up his mind. However, we are capable of meeting in the middle, it has improved during the time and he has made some tiny progression. His passiveness has been difficult to deal with for me, but I'm really trying to be more understanding, "you can't change others" and so on. As he has so many good qualities as well, I would like to keep on trying.

Now, due to those issues I have kind of lost some attraction towards him. Our sex life is reduced to once per week or even less. A couple of months ago he asked about it and said he is not happy with this. We made some agreements to satisfy our opposing needs in general hoping it will help but the actual outcome of these agreements i rather small and it does not change the fact that he is still really passive and anxious person and I still do not feel the same level of attraction.

It seems now that he waits for me to "get better" and the ball is in my court for our sex life to improve again. It feels he is still not happy (though does not show it exactly).

I have realised now that what I need is more strong, tough, "manly" behaviour from him. He's approach to sex is soft, he just very subtly caresses and fondles, but he does it all anyway, so I have a hard time knowing when he wants sex and when he just wants to cuddle. He also starts making comments like "what a great view" looking at my boos or like we discuss dinner and I say "I'd like some dessert after dinner", he is like "I could be you dessert" and then just passively waits. I am also very ticklish and when he touches or kisses me very softly, it is like a hell for me 90% of the time. He is well aware of it, I have told him to touch me more strongly and showed him how. But he still starts with these soft ticklish moves and I start to twist and turn etc and he is then filled with anxiety (I think) and stops. Then I have to take it over, but I hate being the "active" one again, like in most aspects of our life. When I'm in the mood I approach more strongly - kiss stronger or sit on his lap or straight out tell him or so or try a bit roleplay ("Oh, my strong hero, save me"). I would just like him to be more strong, straightforward you know..

I am ready to accept he is passive in other areas, but would really like to see more direct approach from him regarding sex. And I thought I would give it a try to talk to him about it. But I do not know how? I do not want to make him feel bad, to sound like I'm accuse him. I'd like to understand how to understand he wants sex and maybe he could try to be more strong in his approach. I'm rather certain also that he is also afraid that when he approaches I might not be in the mood and as he is so afraid of people telling him "no", he would rather just let it be and wait for me to give him clear sign that I want to have sex.

I'm guilty of pointing it out so many times to him that he should be more proactive in life etc, but mostly in response to him being sad or angry that "everyone is doing him wrong" or "he is bored at home" or "his job sucks" or "he sucks at life, everyone else is in much better position". I feel bad pointing it out again...

I'd like some ideas on which words to use or how to explain it to him? How to improve the situation?

OP posts:
SouthernComforts · 23/10/2019 18:12

"Won't accept a break up?" Erm, fuck that. Whats he going to do, tickle you into staying together?

Manvice · 23/10/2019 18:29

You seem to want too much to change for this to work. I’d give it one last go. Be assertive and discuss what you both want in the future. Encourage him to step up in the bedroom. If image doesn’t show enthusiasm and change or does and then goes back to normal it’s time to move on.

NavyBerry · 23/10/2019 18:45

What? You are not letting anyone down! Just let it go. It doesn't sound like it's gonna work. There are better matches for you two out there

BrendasUmbrella · 23/10/2019 19:14

Saying he would not accept a break-up doesn't tally with anything else you've said. What would he do, just cling to you like a limpet?

BrendasUmbrella · 23/10/2019 19:17

Your relationship is not a cognitive being. You can't let it down. There's you and him. You make him happy by staying and trying to give yourself a sexual lobotomy, or you make yourself happy by leaving and finding someone compatible. So you either let him down or you let yourself down. Unless your self esteem is in the toilet, the answer is obvious.

Hederex · 23/10/2019 19:24

I actually would end the relationship. Especially if you want children. Imagine working on a whole life with this man.
If he's like this and the relationship is like this a couple of years in....
He may change, but it's an enormous gamble.

Zaphodsotherhead · 23/10/2019 23:17

See, he sounds like the sort of man I would like - after a 'manly man' who took no notice of my wants and preferences and thought sex was basically 'throw a woman down on the bed and have your wicked way with her but don't worry about foreplay or cuddling or any kind of affection'.

Let him go, OP, and find yourself your 'manly man' and leave your feathery stroker to women who appreciate that kind of thing.

Confused866 · 24/10/2019 14:11

You’re not compatible and it shouldn’t be this hard 2 years in. End it before you’re even more invested and you can both find someone you’re better suited to.

ExcitedForFuture · 24/10/2019 14:24

He sounds annoying and wet OP. Fine for some, but not everyone and not you.

I had someone fairly similar. For a long time. Not a get up and goer at all, nothing ever got done, confidence issues, same old same old in the bedroom. Any changes would need to be suggested by me. It was exhausting, a turn off and I felt like his mum.

I'm now with someone who is the opposite and it's just amazing. He's definitely a 'manly' man when he needs to be but also very sweet and romantic and great in the bedroom. Exactly what I needed and I didn't know how much until I had it.

You shouldn't need to try and give him that much confidence. That made me think of a child who you are trying to boost up. And if you want to end it, it ends! That's not his call to say he wouldn't accept that. You've tried to work on things, he hasn't.

Countryescape · 24/10/2019 18:40

He wants more sex, but it has to be better but he’s not willing to change and he’s putting it all on you? Wow, he really has no idea. You’ve told him multiple times you don’t like things but he still does it! Stuff that!

Dappledsunlight · 24/10/2019 23:03

Oh God, I recognise this description from a past relationship. It's so frustrating when they can't provide what you need. Not sure you can fundamentally change them in that way. I couldn't and gave up in the end.

TwistinMyMelon · 24/10/2019 23:10

Sounds like he is making your skin crawl. You are not compatible, as people or sexually.

Reminds me of my ex

Musti · 24/10/2019 23:11

If he knows that you don't like being touched like that yet still does it then that's weird. One of my exes hated being kissed in the ear but my ex before that loved it (as do i). So I stopped as soon as I found out.

But anyway, this is way too much trouble and incompatibility when you've only been together a short while.

category12 · 24/10/2019 23:11

You can't change people at that level, and to be honest, it's not kind or fair to try to make them.

Your idea of self-improvement may not be theirs, and with all due respect, who the heck do you think you are to decide for someone? I mean it's some kind of egotism there, thinking your mode of being is the right way and your partner must change to match you.

TwistinMyMelon · 24/10/2019 23:12

@michaelbaubles - god I HATE the feathery stroke! 😂

Pickitup · 25/10/2019 01:01

Save yourself more heartache and get rid now.
I say this from experience. You'll only end up feeling more and more like his mother and that is no turn on and in fact, is a recipe for disaster.

MiniTheMinx · 25/10/2019 09:39

What is a romantic relationship? Is it not two people who are compatible in and out of the bedroom? Am I missing something?

Because you two are not compatible. You are flogging a dead horse.

You describe him as passive, and lacking confidence, and yet you could be describing yourself. Is he the right man for you? No, and yet you are dithering and seem unable to put yourself back out there to find what you need.

You can not make him a project, he is a person. Let him be, and go find someone you are compatible with. Both of you deserve to be happy and feel appreciated for who and how you are.

StickAForkInMe15 · 25/10/2019 10:15

I get the ticklish thing and you're the first person I've come across who feels the same! I've brought it up with people before and they look at me like I'm crazy! It makes me want to scratch my skin off! I've broken the skin through scratching before it's awful. People who touch you like that will always do so, it's their nature, can't be changed I'm afraid.

BeesKnees4 · 25/10/2019 10:20

I’m exhausted reading this, if your relationship is this much work; analysing, encouraging, instructing, give it up.
He sounds mind numbingly boring and wants you sat bored beside him.

MonsterMashedSpud · 25/10/2019 10:29

It all sounds so very boring. His reactions and your over analysing.

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