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Are we kidding ourselves to think we can fix this?

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Cheryberys · 21/10/2019 19:30

My expartner and I were together, mostly happily, for a long time. I was devoted to him, and would do anything for him, and always felt it was reciprocated. Whilst no relationship is perfect, there was a lot of mutual support, meeting of minds etc. He wasn't entirely happy with our sex life (in retrospect nor was I), but we struggled to discuss these problems (although we'd resolved other issues as they arose this one was one we found hard to discuss) and eventually we split up. For the last few months of the relationship he began fucking someone else, a woman he met online where he went looking for sex (at this point we had effectively stopped having sex). This carried on for a few months after our split but he refused to commit to a relationship with her (because in his words he just saw her as someone to have sex with), and eventually contacted me to ask if we could try again.

As of yet, a few months on, I haven't agreed so whilst we are in contact we are not in a relationship. I have a LOT of concerns. As does he. I wasn't always particularly kind or nice, and in the process of us splitting up I sent some very negative and quite personal messages. That said had I known he was fucking someone else I would have said worse.

My view is that we both behaved badly and that whilst 2 wrongs don't make a right of we want to start again we wipe the slate clean.

However he wants to analyse all my comments while dismissing his infidelity on the basis we weren't having sex. He is also still in contact with the woman he was fucking and I know she is dripping poison in his ear about me (as she has told me directly that she thinks she should be with him as she is better in bed than me - but because I am significantly more attractive in all respects he doesn't want her if he can have me) He says she means nothing to him and I do believe it but she is a shit stirrer and for that reason I think he needs to cut contact.

I don't fall into that trap of just blaming her. I know both are at fault. But she is the one who has repeatedly contacted me to 'put me in the picture' and make a number of spiteful and hurtful comments like telling me I'm shit in bed, or how they used to laugh at me and take the piss behind my back. She knew of my existence all along and even after he contacted me to try and get me back, she called me to tell me everything and then immediately after called him and offered him sex. She is jealous of me clearly; I try to just think she is pathetic and no threat but frankly I would prefer her to be out of the way entirely rather than sending him messages like how if he stays with me I'll never give him sex and nothing will change and he'll regret it!

I do think things can change and she clearly is no oracle. I've suggested seeing a counsellor which he is willing to do. I think he also should cut this woman out as she has an agenda which is deeply anti me.

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Cheryberys · 23/10/2019 07:50

And he said he was deliberately delaying sex with me (not true, I was the one who was delaying it because I didn't trust him and wasn't going to restart our relationship and our sex life until I did) because he knew I was lying about having changed and it would all be the same as before. For which evidence of this he referred to a recent occasion where we got fairly heated and he clearly was arouses, I said I didn't want to go further (he offered cunnilingus etc) bit I was happy to 'sort him out'. He refused as it wasn't mutual and then ,had a go at me for leaving him frustrating. Which of course that woman never does.

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VondaVomin · 23/10/2019 07:54

I'm in the don't do it camp. You have tried a relationship and it did not work. I'm not hearing any real acknowledgement of his contribution to the previous relationship failures, just a load of rather unattractive stuff about getting his needs met.

Instead of trying to bodge an unsatisfactory relationship back together I'd move on.

Actionhasmagic · 23/10/2019 08:00

You both haven’t blocked her yet - this has no hope - get out

YesSheCan · 23/10/2019 08:03

OP I really hope that now your ex has shown you his true colours, you've kicked him to the kerb. I've RTFT and was thinking, 'Gosh, the guy sounds awful but tbh OP sounds pretty unpleasant too'. But I do feel for you after your latest updates - being messed around in the way your ex has been doing with you can really bring out the worst in us. I've been there with utter bastards in the past and really didn't like the person I was when trying to cling on to those shitty relationships. I'm sure you'll be much happier without him.

Oh and yeah, as PP have said, please get a full STI screen.

category12 · 23/10/2019 08:11

Basically he's been playing you all along. And the OW.

Badmouthing her and being mean to her for you, and then probably going over to her and explaining he had to do it because of some way you're emotionally blackmailing him or something.

And everything shitty thing she's said about and to you has been fed to her by him.

Cheryberys · 23/10/2019 08:22

Oh no she genuinely think she's better than me. That she can offer more than I can when actually all she can offer is sex. And I can offer that too anyway. I've heard all this shit from her own mouth. How amazing she thinks she is because she's fucked'all these blokes in a short period of time and how that makes her an expert. What it actually makes her is a glorified fleshlight but she doesn't see that.

Thankfully I've not done anything more than kiss him while he's been with her so I don't have any worries on the STD front. That's one small mercy.

Unfortunately I don't feel better without him. Less stressed but also completely empty. We had things planned for the rest of the year, were spending Christmas together and he's thrown all that away. Except according to him I'M the one who ruined it all.

I feel horrendous. Haven't stopped crying since last night.

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YesSheCan · 23/10/2019 08:29

OP you cannot trust that he wasn't having sex with others while you were still in a sexual relationship with him. Get the STI check just in case.

category12 · 23/10/2019 08:37

You won't feel better in the short term, but in the long run, you'll be glad. He's not the man you thought he was.

Start moving on with your life. Stop all contact.

Whatwouldbigfatfannydo · 23/10/2019 08:41

@Cheryberys

What it actually makes her is a glorified fleshlight but she doesn't see that.

Maybe you and this guy deserve each other. Confused
You're both utterly nasty.

Yet again, another woman gets blame and vitriol for the man's infidelity.

Cheryberys · 23/10/2019 08:42

There is no contact to stop.

I'll probably have that stupid bitch contacting me to float about her victory, but I won't hear from him again that's for sure.

As for the STD, I don't think there was anyone before her. I may be wrong but it doesn't matter, I'm not having another relationship. I'm done with it all.

I literally have nothing to look forward to. My children will leave home soon and then it'll just be me for the next however many years.

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Cheryberys · 23/10/2019 08:46

So how else would you describe someone who's fucked 30, or 50 I actually can't remember, in a few months? I'd be equally as scathing of a man doing the same. And she has been deeply unpleasant to me. She knew about me all along by her own admission and repeatedly again by her own admission told him to dump me as she was better than me.

So she can do that but I can't even think negatively about her? Bollocks.

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Innishh · 23/10/2019 08:48

So he set a trap - just tricked you and reeled you back in to within punching distance so that he could get his revenge by punching you some more.

He really is a nasty nasty bastard.

His sex issues will have been bubbling and seething for years - they have not come out of nowhere.

This is who he is and who he has always been a dysfunctional abusive nasty man with a Madonna / whore complex.

Don’t fall for it again. He is dangerous. Block and delete. Don’t let him hurt you.

And you need some counselling for the words of the OW - because they are HIS words - she can only know what he has told her. He has whipped her up to attack you and has loved seeing and hearing you distraught.

He is vile.

Cheryberys · 23/10/2019 08:57

Yes that sums him up.

I can't believe how much this hurts. Worse than before. And how horrible and nasty and spiteful they have both been to me.

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YesSheCan · 23/10/2019 09:02

FFS, OP, even if you plan on never having sex again, would you really want to live with an untreated STI?

You say you have high self-esteem but it really doesn't sound like it. You say you feel empty without him and you seem to be hanging on to the possibility of resuming a relationship with someone who argued that it was fine to go and have sex with someone else the moment you stopped having sex with him, even though at that point you were still in a relationship. This doesn't exactly scream high self-esteem. High self-esteem is about more that telling people you consider yourself attractive and have a great job. There's so much else wrong in this toxic situation I can't even be bothered to go into it.

category12 · 23/10/2019 09:04

There are other men.
There are friends to make and reconnect with.
There are things you could do with your life.
There are places you can go. Things you can learn. Skills you can perfect.
There will likely be grandchildren.

You feel shit now, but it will pass. Your life is not him.

Whatwouldbigfatfannydo · 23/10/2019 09:05

@Cheryberys

So how else would you describe someone who's fucked 30, or 50 I actually can't remember, in a few months?

Not something I'd do personally but I've got nothing vitriolic to say about their character.

I'd be equally as scathing of a man doing the same.

Ironic considering you want to be with a guy who accepted this and had sex with her too. Seems good enough for him?

told him to dump me as she was better than me.

You mean like how you wanted him to cut contact as you are so much better than her and can offer things other than sex that she can't? And how your friends can't possibly fathom how he wouldn't want you over her?

Hypocrisy? Oh no, definitely not...

Cheryberys · 23/10/2019 09:10

Ah ok so I should just be a doormat who never thinks badly of anyone. Or maybe you want to tell me that being such a nasty person I deserve being hurt and treated like this?

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Whatwouldbigfatfannydo · 23/10/2019 09:12

Ah ok so I should just be a doormat who never thinks badly of anyone. Or maybe you want to tell me that being such a nasty person I deserve being hurt and treated like this?

I've said neither of these things but crack on making things up to suit your narrative Wink

Cheryberys · 23/10/2019 09:17

That's exactly what you've implied. Saying me a hypocrite and nasty.... I'm vitriolic apparently yet you've been pretty unpleasant to me in just a few posts.

Please explain what my reaction should be as you imply I can't think on any negative way about a woman who has deliberately and calculatedly been horrible to my fave and behind my back, told me I'm shit in bed and nothing compared to her.

What IS the right way to feel about that if being angry and hurt and having a low opinion of her is apparently wrong?

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category12 · 23/10/2019 09:22

At this stage, your anger would be better directed at him, as he's the cause of it all.

Innishh · 23/10/2019 09:22

Cherys you have been v combative with posters on this thread who have been trying to show you the light throughout. Check this behaviour because this is the knee jerk reaction that got you reeled back in to punching distance. He was the nasty one but you fixated on her.
Posters are telling you the truth. You didn’t take their advice and you got hurt once again.
Keep re reading the thread over the coming days, weeks, months. It will all chime once your emotions have settled

YesSheCan · 23/10/2019 09:25

No one is saying you deserve this, OP. No one deserves to be treated like this. But the whole situation sounds toxic. Your partner cheated, has no intention of cutting contact with the OW, tells you he'll stop having sex with her only when you start having sex with him again and only when you two are back in a relatonship - what the actual fuck? Oh, and he seems to have set up a contest between you and the OW for the prize of sex with him. Why are you even entering into discussions with the OW about her sexual prowess? That's just weird and it's like you're tormenting yourself. She sounds vile but you really don't need to talk to her. And she should not be the focus of your anger, that's for your ex - he's responsible for his own actions, not this woman. You really need to disengage from the drama and cut off this arsehole of an ex. And I echo PPs who suggested further therapy. I'm not having a go at you. But although you feel now as though you're done with relationships forever, you may change your mind about this in future and therapy would really help to protect you from getting into another toxic relationship.

Whatwouldbigfatfannydo · 23/10/2019 09:29

That's exactly what you've implied. Saying me a hypocrite and nasty.... I'm vitriolic apparently yet you've been pretty unpleasant to me in just a few posts.

I dont need to imply anything. Your posts have been hypocrital your words towards this woman nasty and vitriolic. It's up to you if you think I've been unpleasant. Doesn't bother me all that much.

Please explain what my reaction should be as you imply I can't think on any negative way about a woman who has deliberately and calculatedly been horrible to my fave and behind my back, told me I'm shit in bed and nothing compared to her.

Again, no need to imply. I've said just what I mean. You've done much more than think negatively. You've degraded her personal choices and likened her to a sexual object. Disgusting way to talk about another woman really. You're being horrible here, behind her back too. You've said she's nothing compared to you so why all the feigned upset about her saying a similar thing? Seems you're both cut from the same cloth.

What IS the right way to feel about that if being angry and hurt and having a low opinion of her is apparently wrong?

The abuse you've given her on here is what's wrong. Especially while you sit pining for the twat that's messed you both about. She didn't force him to sleep with her, he did that all by himself.

YesSheCan · 23/10/2019 09:31

Oh, and I really wouldn't be surprised if your ex has told the OW that you are horrible/crazy/laugh about her behind her back etc etc. He is playing you off against each other and loving the drama. Stop focusing on her - it's just engaging with his game and exactly what he wants you to do.

Butterymuffin · 23/10/2019 09:42

Well you've seen now that this is about him not just her, and he doesn't want to do what will reassure you and show he is committed to you. That is devastating and hurtful, and will take time to get over, but you can do it. Be very kind to yourself and have no contact with him for at least a while. There will be better things ahead, really.

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