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Is this dead before it begins?

29 replies

DamianRiceElephant · 20/10/2019 18:34

I’ll try and keep this short. Told my husband I wanted to separate in the spring. Circumstances mean we’re still sharing the house and co-parenting DD.

Bumped into an old flame/fling from 20ish years ago in very unusual circumstances. Let’s call him Dave. Messaged each other and met for coffee. Had a relationship for a month or so before he got cold feet and called it off. He’s a single parent to a young child who has some learning difficulties and health problems. He doesn’t see his mother and Dave gets 1 day/night off a fortnight when his mum has his son. Because of his son’s needs, Dave works for himself, and for the last 2 years has been building a hobby into a business which is finally gaining some traction. His reason for calling it off was that he couldn’t spend as much time with me as I wanted. We were literally trying to find a couple of hours during school hours each week to see each other. (Not ideal as I work a 9-5 with limited flexibility.). The weekends he has free he needs to devote to his business. I was sort of okay with a more casual thing, but he told me he had fallen for me and was struggling with not being able to see me enough.

The couple of months after were really hard, but I got to a point where I wasn’t thinking about him all the time as I had been.

I went out with friends and got a bit drunk a few weeks ago. Messaged him saying I missed him. He replied, said he missed me too, still loved me, wanted to see me in the week. I moved things around, offered him a time, he said he’d let me know. We had a couple of message chats in the evenings when the kids were in bed. I messaged the night before to see if we were meeting. He didn’t reply, and didn’t even read the message for 2 days and didn’t reply when he did. That weekend was my birthday. No message to wish me a happy birthday. Then this week just gone same thing again. I offered a time on Friday, he said he would confirm the next day. Didn’t hear from him so sent a message 10 mins after he posted something on social media to check if we were meeting (Thursday). No reply. He read the message today and sent no response. So that’s 3 occasions where I think it was reasonable for him to spend 10 seconds sending me a message and he hasn’t.

He’s been single for 4 years. He prioritises his son and is trying to build a future for them with what time he has. I understand all that. And I appreciate that my circumstances aren’t ideal. But still. I’m so drawn to this man, but realistically how can I deal with being messed around? Do I withdraw or give him the benefit of the doubt? Is it doomed?

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DamianRiceElephant · 20/10/2019 18:41

To clarify after reading back - he thought I would want more of his time as the relationship developed, and because he couldn’t commit to that he thought it better to stop it than risk falling deeper and then falling out/his livelihood suffering. I was okay with a small time commitment as I have a busy life.

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readitandwept · 20/10/2019 18:44

Don't waste your time on this one. I would move mountains to see someone I claimed to love ( not that I'd be declaring that after one month) He can't even send you a text. You're worth at least a text confirming one way or the other, don't you think?

category12 · 20/10/2019 18:47

So you've offered to meet up 3 times and he's ignored it 3 times?

Take the hint.

DamianRiceElephant · 20/10/2019 18:59

I’ve offered 2 times that I could be free to meet up. No firm arrangements. He said he would let me know and then didn’t. But he had said his son was home ill the first time so possible he had no sleep etc and forgot. Second time more frustrating as no clear reason. The third thing was not wishing me a happy birthday, which may or may not be important.

I felt dreadful when he didn’t get back to me. It’s not that easy for me to be out of work during school hours so when I had moved things around for it, to hear nothing was hard. And I guess it won’t change. Sad

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DamianRiceElephant · 20/10/2019 19:00

And he asked me to find some time for him the first time.

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category12 · 20/10/2019 19:06

Sorry, misread. But still - he's not exactly falling over himself to make it happen, is he? If he loved you, he would. (It's also far too early to have thrown that word around).

DamianRiceElephant · 20/10/2019 19:11

I agree, and it freaked me out at the time. He’s a DV survivor and has deliberately stayed single since leaving with his son. I think we had unresolved feelings from the past, both feeling a bit vulnerable etc. Weird being reminded of a time when life was so free and easy and without the toes that bind us elsewhere now. Memory can be a powerful thing I guess.

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DamianRiceElephant · 20/10/2019 19:13

I suspect he’s up to his eyes because he would have been limited in how much he could work over the summer hols and would be catching up now. And his son has lots of hospital and school appts etc (trying to get him statemented etc). I tend not to ask about it over messages because he doesn’t really open up about it unless we are face to face.

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DamianRiceElephant · 20/10/2019 19:14

Still, even if he is up to his eyes I don’t think 10 secs to send me a message is asking too much?

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Innishh · 20/10/2019 19:15

No - he is messing you about. He is deliberately making himself emotionally, physically and digitally unavailability !

Blowing hot and cold - actually mostly cold. Well done on seeing it but ask yourself why you have accepted so little for so long - looks like you are also trying to make excuses for him.

VictoriaBun · 20/10/2019 19:15

You need to walk away .
Maybe send a I wish you well but obviously he's not into the situation. Bye .

Sadiesnakes · 20/10/2019 19:16

It's as simple as this, if he wanted to see you he would.

DamianRiceElephant · 20/10/2019 19:19

It hasn’t been long. A month (May) then nothing till October. I did ask him after the first missed meet up if he would rather I disappeared. He said no, that his son had been quite unwell and needy (he’s 6 but has developmental delay). He doesn’t sleep well ever, but I would imagine it’s non-existent when he’s poorly.

It’s a complicated situation. He definitely wants me but something is holding him back. Maybe he’s worried that seeing me again will create another demand that he worries he can’t meet?

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crappyday2018 · 20/10/2019 19:20

He appears to be leading you on to be honest. He either wants to make time for you or he doesn't. Its as simple as that. Fair enough he appears to have a very busy life but he should make up his mind instead of keeping you dangling. I would stop contacting him, its not doing you any good.

DamianRiceElephant · 20/10/2019 19:20

I think he finds my living arrangements confusing as well.

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Bluntness100 · 20/10/2019 19:23

Op, he's treating you like shit, he doesn't even respond to your texts, how rude is that.

Move on, he doesn't love you and he's just not that into you. Stop clinging on and trying to justify it.

DamianRiceElephant · 20/10/2019 19:26

You’re probably right. Sad

How we bumped into each other was so unexpected/unusual, I thought the universe was giving us a second chance. Blush

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CanaryBlossom · 20/10/2019 19:27

He definitely wants me but something is holding him back

It could be the fact that you have a husband, who you live with.

If anyone posts on here that they’ve met someone who claims to be separated, but still lives with their spouse/partner, the advice is almost unanimously to give them a wide berth and tell them to get in touch once they’re in a far less complicated set up.

Branleuse · 20/10/2019 19:28

take the hint. Sorry.

DamianRiceElephant · 20/10/2019 19:31

If anyone posts on here that they’ve met someone who claims to be separated, but still lives with their spouse/partner, the advice is almost unanimously to give them a wide berth and tell them to get in touch once they’re in a far less complicated set up.

Fair enough. It will be a long time to resolve that unfortunately. We have a business together that will need dissolving and all of my money is in the house. Ex-H has a much more flexible working arrangement so does the majority of school runs etc so it’s easier on DD to have us both here at the moment. Neither of us can afford to move out at the moment. I have an interview for a promotion in a couple of weeks. If I get it the pay rise would pay the rent on a place. 🤞🏻

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FavouriteSong · 20/10/2019 19:32

I think you're kidding yourself that he wants you. He ignores your messages and backs out of arrangements. Did you agree to separate from your husband before or after you reconnected with Dave?

DamianRiceElephant · 20/10/2019 19:33

We’ve split the house as best we can and don’t do anything together without DD. It’s an amicable split, we have separate rooms, do our own washing etc. Making the best of a difficult situation.

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Louise000000 · 20/10/2019 19:33

Op I was actually just going to ask how he felt about your living situation as I am now seperated but we still plan on living together for the foreseeable future and to see how we can get on as friends.
Did you and your husband talk about dating other people on just not mention anything and live seperate lives? Sorry to change the subject I'm just very curious on how to play this one!

DamianRiceElephant · 20/10/2019 19:34

Before. March time. Bumped into Dave early May bank holiday weekend.

Ex-h and I have been living separate lives for years in reality. Only DD keeping us together. Just needed one of us to speak up and say it was over. Unfortunately I didn’t plan it, hence the financial issues.

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477964z · 20/10/2019 19:34

Still, even if he is up to his eyes I don’t think 10 secs to send me a message is asking too much?

Exactly. Anyone can find ten seconds to send a message, even if it’s just while they’re using the bathroom. The fact he hasn’t speaks volumes.

He’s really just not that into you. Nobody breaks it off with someone they’re crazy about or in love with because they ‘have fallen for you and are struggling with not seeing you much’. They find a way, or hold on, so they don’t lose you. They certainly don’t act like this.

Again, he’s just not that into you. You can tell yourself he wants you but it’s just circumstances in the way if it’s easier to swallow, but I think being honest with yourself is kinder in the long run. The sooner you understand he’s not into you and isn’t going to offer you anything of value the sooner you can just move on.