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How to manage tricky family/ narcissist in family ?

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SirVixofVixHall · 19/10/2019 16:58

This is mainly for my DH, but also for me. Complicated, so I will try and sum it up, bear with me if it is a bit long !
Fil had a (diagnosed) personality disorder, and was a total nightmare to deal with, narcissism, manipulation, abusive behaviour. He is dead, but Sil is very similar to him, although more functional, she has a child and at the moment is managing well, although in the past she has been hospitalised. She is very deceitful, has a massive ego, and an inflated sense of her own abilities and importance. We don’t know if she has been given a diagnosis of a pd, but she fits the pic for a narcissist.
Mil shores this up by praising everything Sil does, and refusing to support DH , even when Sil (who is pathologically jealous of DH and competitive, and will lie etc to manipulate things to get her own way) has behaved terribly.
Dh has gone minimal contact with his sister. He does have contact with his Mum, but it is upsetting and difficult, as she favours SIl over him all the time. Small things that have mounted up, eg she will go to Sil’s dc’s party but not our dc, allows Sil’s DH to treat my DH badly etc.
He loves his Mum, and I also do care about her but have found her increasingly hard to deal with, maybe I have just reached my limit, I don’t know. However she is my dc’s only Grandparent, so I make an effort partly for their sakes, partly for DH. She has done the odd thing for dd1, paid for a school trip away, that kind if thing, but she does nothing else for our dc .
Mil is in her eighties, and worryingly, sounds more and more like Sil when we see her. She parrots things that Sil has said, and seems almost manipulated by Sil into decisions that also affect us because
there is a family business that they are all part of, and that is a huge part of the problem , as DH has to still negotiate with Sil and work with her at times, ditto his Mum.
DH is a very honest and straightforward person, but the more he is straightforward with his Mum, the more she seems to resent him. He has tried to talk in a calm way about how she treats him and Sil so differently, but she just gets annoyed. ( is impossible to talk to his sister at all , so he only speaks to her in a formal setting, at meetings, and avoids any other interaction).
Any advice on talking to Mil without making things worse, and on dealing with a narc in a family business setting ? DH is the least Machiavellian person imaginable, but I think he needs tactics ! Sil will absolutely do anything she can do undermine and damage DH, and she now seems to have an enormous influence on MIl, which means she could potentially have an influence on decisions which could have financial ramifications for us.
So two main issues , managing a narcissist without getting shafted by them, and talking to a parent who seems to have swapped one domineering narc (fil) for another (sil). Weirdly DH very much seemed her favourite when he was much younger, but she is not happy that we kept our dds away from Fil, and blames me in particular for this, even though Fil was abusive to me .

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SirVixofVixHall · 20/10/2019 22:03

Yes, that is what we do. We see Mil, sometimes at her home, or we go out for lunch with her etc.
DH will sometimes go over on his own, or with one or both of our dc. I don’t always go along as I think it is nicer for her to sometimes have time just with him. We live some distance away, so it isn’t as though we can pop in weekly ( roughly a five hour round trip) , but DH does try and see her regularly. However she spends much more time with Sil, who stays with her very frequently, spends a lot of time there, and seems very reliant on Mil, and I think Mil enjoys that dynamic.

Sil is incredibly competitive, and Mil frames everything as a competition between Sil and I in particular -I don’t engage with this at all, I hate it, but she still does it. Hard to tell if it comes from Sil, from Mil herself, or a combination. Sil copies everything, so she will copy DH but then present it as her own idea, and she used to copy me when we were in contact.

The more i write it down the nuttier it sounds .
We want minimal contact with Sil, but a better relationship with Mil.
Maybe that is an impossibility.

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lexiepuppy · 20/10/2019 22:54

That sounds very familiar being in a competition you don't want to be in !
I had that with my sister's and my SIL.

It does sound like your MIL might be a covert narcissist and Sil sounds grandiose/histrionic.

I hate to say it, but unless your Sil messes up in someway, I think your DH is going to have a hard time of getting a better relationship established with her.

I think it might always be a superficial relationship as Narcs are not known for their depth! Your DH may have to reconcile himself with the fact that Narcs malfunction, they are not wired correctly! Grin
Good luck.Flowers

LauraDowell85 · 21/10/2019 00:20

I'm having a similar problem at the moment. Family businesses are more trouble than they're worth as in the real world you would just cut ties but because that situation is so in your face all day everyday it's hard to run away from. Sometimes though I think in a normal work environment you would just ignore them so why can't that happen there?

RhinoskinhaveI · 21/10/2019 00:34

When you sup with the devil bring a long spoon 👿

RhinoskinhaveI · 21/10/2019 00:35

🗿 would suggest some version of grey rock to deal with these types
but it's never going to be easy 🙄

SirVixofVixHall · 21/10/2019 09:09

Yes, grey rock... that is the path DH has taken with his sister.
He could try the flattery/validation etc, but doesn’t want to engage to that degree. Also whatever he did or said, it would never be enough, she is like a bottomless pit.
When we finally stopped having any social contact with her it was such a relief, yet he can’t avoid all contact because of the business.
With his Mum, he is stuck. She seems to be slightly losing her grip on things, and easily manipulated, which is a worry generally, but she also seems angry with DH for calling out his father’s appalling behaviour , rather than pretending everything was fine.

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RandomMess · 21/10/2019 09:42

He does need to raise about his Mum with the others, if she is open to manipulation that is a risk to the business.

SirVixofVixHall · 21/10/2019 12:37

Yes, I think he does need to mention it. It is a subtle shift over the past two or three years. ( she is 84).

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