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Cover when the other parent is absent

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Wern · 18/10/2019 19:28

Hello,

I need some advice...I am a 40(f) single parent to a 3 year old. She stays at her daddy's for 5 nights every two weeks (4 nights one week, one night the 2nd week). Having never been a 'proper couple' and finding myself single since being pregnant, we managed to come to an amicable agreement (contact and child maintanance levels) between ourselves.

He asked for 50/50 shared residency towards the end of last year when he found out his job was "changing", to which I said no. I felt it was not in our daughter's best interests for a few reasons such as her age, the distance between us, his job (which involves a car, and time away on business) and who would be looking after her if I wasn't (I was commuting 60 miles for a job which, along with the childcare costs was not doing me any favours at all and so I decided to take a step back from work until our daughter starts school next year). He sought 50/50 again in Feb this year following the change to his job, but ramped it up a few gears by dragging me to Mediation. During the pre-cursor to the Mediation sessions, I declared how much I am paid in child support, where I was advised that my daughter's dad is paid substantially more in comparison and has been doing since the beginning of the year. (This was April) I suggested a review of child support, both outside of Mediation and within but he did not want to discuss his earnings. He was asked if he could say that the difference between what he pays and what he "should" be paying (contentious to some) is what he provides in terms of additional support for me and our daughter and he said he could. I was dumbfounded and too upset from being there in the 1st place to say I don't receive anything else. Maybe if I asked every month but no, I couldn't ask for that. After Mediation failed (My views to 50/50 residency still stood), I let the dust settle before plucking up the courage to ask the child maintenance service for help.

I did that 3 weeks ago. In light of his promotion, he was told he needed to pay nearly £200 a month more than what I had been receiving. At this point, he suggested that we could still do this without the CMS tag, that he would pay what the Government thought he should be paying, that we could have a proper agreement drawn up which could be signed, dated and that a review could be carried out between us each year. I called up CMS to cancel.

The next morning, he got in touch again to say that after a sleep, he thought it would be fairer to "meet in the middle" - there are days outside of our agreement that maybe we want our daughter for a reason that falls on the other parent's time, or maybe we want cover instead and that when we do, we ask each other and it works. Except now, those additional days that he has requested to have our daughter overnight are being 'bartered'...that in his eyes, those days should count towards his overall agreed time and therefore, he should pay a lesser amount each month. After collecting my thoughts, I felt it best to re-instate the agreement with CMS and that he could appeal any amount asked of him.

Roll on 3 weeks to now, and when it comes to covering and who will have our daughter overnight in each other's absence, he has asked that he will only be approaching me for cover in the event that no one else can and that the same applies for me.

Our daughter is 3 years old...maybe regardless of age, how is that - by not having the other parent as the 1st port of call in their absence - in a child's best interests?

Am I right to be upset by his actions? Did I 'ask for it' by getting the CMS involved? Can I refuse permission? Some advice or anything, would be really appreciated...I'm so sorry it is such a long message. I don't have a huge network of support anymore to share my burdens with.

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Wern · 18/10/2019 19:31

Just to add that he had worked out his earnings on a calculator prior to the Mediation sessions x

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hormonesorDHbeingadick · 18/10/2019 19:32

Go back to the CMS.

Level75 · 18/10/2019 19:36

He sounds like a dick. You're not being unreasonable.

SpinneyHill · 18/10/2019 19:38

No you didn't ask for it by him not paying what he should and lying about his earnings.
How often do you think you'll need cover? Who is he intending to ask to have her when he needs it?

Sadly if he wants to be a dick about it you're best off accepting that now as it won't change, start looking into the other 'cover' options as he's clearly stated he is out for himself not what is best for her.
I would also be upset but this is what single parenting is

Wern · 18/10/2019 19:55

Well, in terms of overall cover, I rarely approach anyone to have my daughter overnight when it's my turn. In my care, there has been 3 times this year I have asked him to cover for me, compared to the 7 times he has approached me.

I get that with single parenting, you basically have to do your own thing when a child is your responsibility. But at 3 years old...if she wakes in the middle of the night poorly and she is met by his gf or whoever (the cover is not limited to the parents or immediate family but also to "close trusted friends" as he puts it)...wtf?

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SpinneyHill · 18/10/2019 20:12

This is where it gets really shit, his time with her is his time with her. You can be pissed off, you can try and negotiate it but it comes down to you are sharing the role of parenting and it's not the same as him babysitting your daughter.

Realistically are there people in his life that would drop everything if he needed overnight childcare? It's quite a big ask and I wouldn't be surprised if his talk of other people doing his parenting amounts to nothing

There is a reason why single mums seem so vexxed at times and this is it. I hope he sees sense for her sake

user1493413286 · 18/10/2019 20:13

It’s a very selfish approach from him and not thinking of your DDs best interests. It’s common sense that if you or he can’t have her for a night then the best person to approach first is the other parent rather than someone she is unless used to staying with. It sounds like he is just bitter that things haven’t gone his way.

PicsInRed · 18/10/2019 20:17

He's a controlling, punishing cunt, he was always going to be a controlling, punishing cunt and nothing you did or will do would ever change that.

Go get your full child support entitlement (and good on you for standing strong on the contact). Flowers

Wern · 18/10/2019 21:30

I'm crying over here, thank you for your advice so far x

In spite of my negative feelings towards him (a quick summary - I discovered I was pregnant, my mum passed the next morning and 6 weeks later he ended the relationship. Messing around with other women for the 3 years we had been dating it later transpired. A real charmer) I have always given him 'free rein' in order for him to be the best parent he can be and they have a wonderful relationship as a result. And like it has been pointed out, it just feels like he is trying to dig deep and get personal because he is getting what he wants..and I don't know how to deal with him. I just want to do what is right, and what is best for our daughter.

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sunshiney78 · 18/10/2019 21:42

Tell him To approach you for cover first if he needs it on his days and you will still count it as “his” day, so he doesn’t get to penalised by having to pay more CMS just because he asked you.
(I’m assuming you’d rather have your DD if he can’t than the extra money)

Wern · 18/10/2019 23:20

The child support money is irellevant to me in terms of when he does or does not have DD. We agreed on 4 nights one week, 1 night the next week and that to me is a reasonable amount of agreed days. (He has her 5 nights compared to my 8, he works in Sales, full time, Countrywide and abroad. Reasonable.) He's free to see our daughter outside of that whenever he wants and yet now he wants to strip some of that back, because I turned to CMS for help after his promotion. I have a gut feeling that he is laying the path for when his Venezualen gf joins him in the UK next year (they met for the first time last month in person during a planned 11 day holiday in Spain, but have been online friends for 8 years). For someone who wanted 50/50 shared care, so that he could "give her dinner and put her to bed like full time dad's get to do every day", you'd think he would love to cover for me. Snake.

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