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Marriage is a mess.

26 replies

WhoArtinHeaven · 12/10/2019 11:16

My husband and I are like strangers. Angry, resentful, strangers.

We have two young children (3y and 9m) and life is hard. I have no idea if it will ever get better.

Both children are hard work in their own way. DC2 is very a high-needs baby who is also an utterly dreadful sleeper (currently waking hourly and during day needs contact or motion for all naps). DC1 is just a typical three-year-old but never stops talking. Unless asleep or plonked infront of the TV. It is exhausting! The constant barrage of noise, the total lack of peace.

Due to DC2s awful sleep, I am co-sleeping and generally go to bed at the same time as baby. Often if I try to get up once baby is asleep then it wakes her up, so mostly I don't bother and just try and maximise sleep because I am feeling utterly broken. I don't get an evening to myself anymore. DH does majority of bedtime activity for DC1 and I chip in where I can (I try and read at least one story a night as I miss quality time with DC1!). Once DC1 in bed (8pm at very latest usually) DH has the evening to himself to do as he pleases (playing console and drinking wine usually) and gets opportunity for a full night sleep most nights (he only has to get up if DC1 wakes which is probably 25% of nights). DH moans endlessly about doing bedtime activities for DC1, and is so impatient with DC1 at bedtime, which pisses me off. When he's left with the baby, while I read to DC1 he moans about this too, because she's tired at that time and so cries (unless he entertains her). I have tried in the past to do bedtime with both of them together, but it's stressful and not relaxing for anyone (baby cries/fusses, child distracted by baby and can't wind down). I'm not sure if sharing bedtime between both parents is unusual, or if most mums manage to do both children simultaneously?
Basically DH resents "having to do everything" and I resent the fact he doesn't seem to appreciate the opportunity of a full night's sleep and some time to himself in the evening.

I also have to take DC2 off for naps and she naps on me. On the days where I solo parent both children (DH at work and DC1 not at preschool) she has to nap in the carrier or in the car (which involves military planning to make sure she's the right kind of tired!). She's heavy and the carrier is starting to be really uncomfortable so if we are at home for nap time and DH is home too, then I tend to take her upstairs and DH looks after DC1. It's not ideal and I feel guilty about it. But she needs daytime sleep. DH resents this time that I get "to myself" where I am "just sitting there" and it's causing friction. On the flip side I miss spending quality time with DC1 and feel guilty for the time I spend helping DC2 nap. I'd love to be able to put her down for naps and walk away but I don't know how to reach that point. Often when I am doing a nap DH just sticks the TV on for DC1 and sits looking at his phone, which annoys me as I try to only use TV when I need to get something done and need to occupy DC1 for a period of time to enable that.
DH also annoyed that DC2 wants me and he can't soothe her. IMO this is because he never bothered trying to soothe her when she was small, just handed her to me immediately. He used to get pissy about having to stand up to hold her to stop her crying (too much effort!) which sums up his level of input when she was a tiny baby.

Our house is also a mess! I feel guilty about this as I am at home 3 days a week with only baby, but after naps, feeding her, errands out of the house, etc. I find myself running out of time to do things around the house, and so it builds up and becomes and impossible task. I do try though! But usually end up running around frantically trying to catch up as much as possible, while baby cries (she's high-needs as I mentioned). I'm utterly exhausted from lack of sleep and doing my best, but feel like I am failing. DH does the majority of the cooking, and makes preschool lunches for DC1, but again it's clear he resents this. We have recently re-jigged things so we eat dinner before the children go to bed, so I can help with the cooking a bit more (and so dinner is done and out of the way). We share grocery shopping and I normally go for a biggish shop during the week with the baby and DH does a top up or two. Although I will concede that he does all the planning where food and groceries are concerned, which is great.

I don't really know what the solution is. It feels like we are constantly bickering and angry with each other (and I worry about the impact on the children of this!). Like this morning we were tidying the kitchen (which seems a neverending task!) and I washed up some dishes and managed to annoy DH in the process (because I was "in his way" and also I should have just put everything into the dishwasher - although there was too much to fit and there was a lot of stuff that wasn't very dirty so I just gave it a quick wash, but it was like the end of the world and he stormed off).

I'm so fed up of living like this. DH clearly resents me and feels like he is doing the majority of the "work" and that this isn't fair. I resent the fact he is always complaining that he is tired (he'll go for a nap during the day given any opportunity!) when he has ample opportunity to sleep, and I look after DC2 all night. We don't get any quality time together really, and any conversations we have are constantly interrupted by DC1. I often feel like I can't hear myself think and I know DH feels the same. I am snappier with the DC than I like, because I am just utterly exhausted, touched out, and spread so thin. Everything feels awful. I don't know how to make it better. I just needed to get this out because I feel like my head is going to explode!

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Joe2019 · 12/10/2019 11:25

Can you afford a cleaner? Have you spoken to the health visitor about establishing a more consistent sleep pattern for the young one? Might you be depressed? Have you sat down with dh to discuss both of your feelings?

ExcitedForFuture · 12/10/2019 11:30

He sounds like a dick who wants you to do all the 'wifework' and childcare. They're his DCs too and he can bloody well parent them too. It's also his house and his mess too and he can clear up as well.

Ask him what he thinks will happen if you split where he has to do ALL his own cleaning, shopping, cooking, clearing up, errands and parent his children alone!

madcatladyforever · 12/10/2019 11:35

He sounds like a right twat. Why did he have children if he expects his life to go on as before?
Does he not understand the temporary implications of having small children?
He needs a boot up the backside.

madcatladyforever · 12/10/2019 11:38

And why does everyone go on about PND all the time, I'd be bloody depressed with a hopeless husband and a high needs baby too. You don't need the additional crippling side effects of pills.
I found the best thing to do with young children was to go out for vigorous walks in nature, you need the exercise when you have young children and outdoors is good for you and your mental state.

Bigmango · 12/10/2019 11:47

I have one high needs baby and it is bloody hard. She is 18 months now and much easier but I still nap with her for every nap and we have a cleaner. Both these things keep me sane and enable me to do the nights as dp is working full time. This works for us but we did have a few sessions of relationship counselling last year which really helped us to see one another’s perspectives. Sometime you need someone outside of your situation to be able to help you to really listen to each other. He does sound like he is being a bit of a dick, but I wouldn’t agree that he is leaving you to do all the wife work. He is working full time, coming home and cooking and then putting a 3 year old to bed. This sounds pretty even to me. It sounds as if you are massively disconnected and need to try and carve out some time for both of you. I would really recommend counselling and perhaps a plan to go away together child free for a night in a few months when you feel happy about leaving your baby. Also, try and get a cleaner if possible.

Lozzerbmc · 12/10/2019 12:28

I think you need a cleaner to help and some counselling sessions to help you see each other’s point of view. Men generally leave most of the work to women in all honesty...

RhinoskinhaveI · 12/10/2019 12:36

Your husband is a selfish dick who thinks that he shouldn't have to do 'womens work'
it's not that he's doing the majority of the work it's that he's doing work that he feels ought to be 'someone else's problem'

Apileofballyhoo · 12/10/2019 12:41

Your DH is a prick.

Aside from that, could DC2 have silent reflux or something?

richtea12 · 12/10/2019 12:47

Did he want a children? If so he needs to get out of the 1950s and realise the more he helps and with a positive attitude the easier it will be for you all. My DP was pretty sulky to start with when DC was born and went out on a bike ride every day on paternity leave to 'destress'! He's got a lot better and now we pretty much take it in turns to look after DC one day each at the weekend so the other can have some time to themselves but it took a while to get there. Don't let him make you feel guilty, if he didn't want the responsibility of children he didn't have to have them!

RhinoskinhaveI · 12/10/2019 12:51

Endlessly moaning about having to spend time with his 3-year old?
How awful for the poor 3 year old 😕 his father sees him as a chore to be avoided ☹️

WhoArtinHeaven · 12/10/2019 13:16

Thank you for the replies. Interesting reading. I probably won't have time to reply properly for a while, as children to wrangle.
FWIW I don't feel I do all the "wifework", and often feel he does a lot (his job is senior and can be stressful) but I feel he resents me for all he does, and feels I am not pulling my weight (and I worry this too I admit). But also feel he doesn't appreciate his freedoms or value my contributions/how hard DC2 is... or understand how utterly depleted I feel due to not sleeping! Argh, it is so frustrating. We are just at loggerheads and I hate it.

I will respond properly to individuals points at the next opportunity! Thank you. Helps getting it all out of my head.

DH in bed currently as he has a cold so must dash!

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BlackCherry666 · 12/10/2019 13:16

Has he always been like this? What was he like when you just had DC1?

Interestedwoman · 12/10/2019 13:31

@matcatladyforever anti-depressants are proven to wor, evidence based. The benefits of them for depression generally outweigh the side effects, or they wouldn't be used.There are dozens of them, so if someone has side effects from one, if they go back to the doctor (which they should) they'll try them on another one until they find one which works for the individual without excessive side effects.

Would recommend giving them a go, OP. Xxx

RhinoskinhaveI · 12/10/2019 13:31

He has a senior job...in his mind he is an important person and this is why he resists having to involve himself with menial tasks like childcare, that's my take on it!

Didthatreallyhappen2 · 12/10/2019 13:32

When DD was a baby my DH had a career break. As a SAHM I did everything at home, and for DD too (which actually meant that for a couple of years I was the only one that could comfort her, put her to bed etc - it upset DH at the time, but was completely understandable). After a couple of weeks at home with us, DH uttered those immortal words "I'd no idea what hard work it was being at home all day" - and he meant it. Looking after just one tiny one can be exhausting, with two it's double the work. I have no solution, but you do have my sympathy.

(And why is your DH in bed if he's just got a cold?)

MarianaMoatedGrange · 12/10/2019 13:33

So poor OP has to run about after her useless DH a well as two DC.

FuriousVexation · 12/10/2019 13:47

I don't know if this would be physically or logistically possible, but could you suggest to him a role swap for a week - he stays home with them both and you're out of the house for 10+ hrs per day and come home to cook dinner and do bath and bed with oldest?

It might give him some appreciation of how difficult and tiring your role currently is.

WhoArtinHeaven · 12/10/2019 15:21

Thank you again for all the responses. I was fully expecting a dressing down to be honest (possibly spend too much time in AIBU)...

Can you afford a cleaner? Unfortunately not really, not at the moment. Hopefully when I return to work we may be able to fit this into the budget, but I am about to drop to no pay (end of SMP) so we need to tighten belts, especially with Christmas on the horizon.

Have you spoken to the health visitor about establishing a more consistent sleep pattern for the young one? No. Mainly because I know the advice will probably be some kind of controlled crying. Which is something I have considered, although it goes against my instincts. Although currently we are suffering with back-to-back colds and teething so until we're in a good stretch I wouldn't want to sleep train anyway. Also currently in the 8 month sleep regression, which I am hoping is responsible for the hourly waking... I have various sleep books, so I know the routine we should aim for. It's just not happening currently.

Might you be depressed? I don't know! I do sometimes wonder if I am... but I don't think so. I am just very, very tired and worn down.

Have you sat down with dh to discuss both of your feelings? Not in any meaningful way. Mainly due to not having any child-free time together where we can really talk. Counselling may be a good idea, but I don't know how we would fit it into our lives. DH would probably need to take time off work, and I don't know if he would be able to do this.

Aside from that, could DC2 have silent reflux or something? I don't thinks so. She's got no other symptoms, she's just a shit sleeper and needs to be in contact with me. She also won't take a dummy, which was the magical key to my freedom with DC1.

Did he want a children? Yes he did, very much... actually he was more certain amount it than I was!
Unfortunately I think he finds the reality tough and also blames me for not giving him "a break" (when he gets in from work for example) and is stressed by the demands of small children (join the club mate!!).

Has he always been like this? What was he like when you just had DC1? Things were better when only DC1. Life was easier for both of us. We both had more energy and spare time. He would happily look after DC1 and give me free time. High needs baby has changed things (not blaming her, it's not her fault, but it's a fact) and things have been tough for a while. He's never looked after both children by himself for any significant length of time (a couple of hours tops). Although DC2 is a bottle refuser and I doubt DH would be able to get her to nap. He would have to use the carrier, which he can't put on without help!
DC1 is also at a challenging age. "Terrible twos" have nothing on threes and we are both finding parenting more challenging in that regard. It's like a perfect storm.

And why is your DH in bed if he's just got a cold?
He feels awful. Although I doubt I will get any time in bed when I eventually catch it. Hmm I made the mistake of querying why he hasn't taken any decongestants and he flew off the handle. He won't take day nurse or anything sensible as they make him feel funny.

Right, DC2 awake from second nap and climbing all over me, so back into the fray.

What's the betting DC1 is watching TV when I go downstairs? I'm going to leave baby with DH and take DC1 to the park...

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WhoArtinHeaven · 12/10/2019 15:22

Yep, TV on...

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runlift · 12/10/2019 15:37

It sounds like your husband does do a fair amount around the house, as he should. He needs to work on his attitude. It will get easier as the months go by. But I know that they can go slowly!

I wonder if maybe he is really finding the lack of adult time more difficult than you. Could you set aside one night a week to try and put the baby down and watch a movie together or something.

It sounds like you both need to acknowledge that there is some resentment building but without throwing blame and try to work towards working as a team and supporting each other rather than taking stress out on each other. But it is easier said than done!

fatandfettered · 12/10/2019 15:43

Sorry that your DHs attitude sucks. My ex was like this, everything was made into a competition over who is more tired, who deserves a break more, who should do this or that. I thought it was normal.
My dp now works his arse off 6,7 days a week. We have two dc and a newborn. He comes home and washes up, hoovers, walks the dogs, helps with bed times. No questions asked. He's not a selfish prick basically and knows we are a team and doesn't battle against me or resent having to put effort into his family.

nomoreclue · 12/10/2019 16:39

Book yourself into a spa for a long weekend. Friday through till Monday and leave him to it, Tell him it’s your birthday/early xmas present and if he wants to avoid a divorce he’ll book the Friday and Monday off work. Do it. It’s the only way this situation is going to resolve itself. He’s NEVER going to understand. NEVER. You could get super nanny in to explain it in black and white but it will not sink in until he has had multiple days/nights on his own doing everything with zero backup. You’ll come back and he’ll never complain he does everything again. He says the crap he does because he’s got no actual realistic barometer of what everything is. A relative of mine died when my third child was a newborn. I had to go away for the funeral. It meant my DH had to hold the fort for several days, take time off work and do it all. Reality was firmly checked. He never said he does everything ever again. I seriously urge you to do it before you snap and divorce him.

Namenic · 12/10/2019 16:51

Chill about the tv, chill about the mess. Over the weekend do a swap of jobs so u do some cooking and dc1 and DH does dc2...

It will help with empathy.

StoutDrinker2019 · 12/10/2019 23:09

Just wanted to jump on and say yin poor love. It is utterly shit. 'the hell years'. I think you do love each other and you will look back on this time together and cringe beciase it was so awful. We do and now ours are 3 and 6. It is so so so mic hbetter. Do what you need to do to get through the horrible early years. And look him in the eye and thank him fro his help.l as often as you can. I promise you he will do the same in return. I could ajve written your post when my youngest was exactly the same age. I definitely got slight pnd thanks to the sleep deprivation alone. You will get through this and be out the other side soon. Hugs.

WhoArtinHeaven · 13/10/2019 06:51

@StoutDrinker2019

Thank you. I do keep telling myself it's just a phase and will get better. I know this really because DC1 is easier on so many levels.
I don't want to wish this time away, but it is hard.

@runlift that's good advice, thank you. He does miss me in the evenings, and has said as much. Unfortunately we're lucky to get 40 minutes together before the baby will wake, but I guess that is better than nothing. Although it's hard being so touched out, I just want to be left alone. Blush

Honestly, if the baby wasn't so high needs I would do a swap. But she's very hit and miss about bottles, and I don't know that DH would be able to get her to nap at the moment, which doesn't seem fair on her. Maybe I am making excuses, I don't know?

I hope things will get better when I am back at work! Probably harder in some ways, but easier in others as I will get time away from the children to be something other than mum! Maybe DC2 will sleep better by then too?! Grin

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