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It’s over isn’t it?

23 replies

Whatsmynextmove · 02/10/2019 15:16

I’m hoping someone can help me see the wood for the trees. I’m really struggling in my relationship and it consumes my thoughts so I’m at a loss as to what to do or understanding whether things are actually that bad, or if I’m making it all out to be worse than it really is.

DP and I have been together for 12 years and have 2 children.

Our relationship has been bad more than it has good. I’m at a point now where I am seriously considering calling it a day, but with children to consider I’m finding it hard to know what’s best.

I am the higher earner (marginally) and I am paying most of the bills. To put it into context I pay the rent, council tax, sky, utilities, my phone, all food shopping, top ups for DS1’s lunch account, hair cuts for the kids, clothes when they need them and I’m also paying half of DS2’s nursery fees. DP pays for the internet, water, Netflix, DS1’s football subs and phone bills for him and DS1. He also pays half of DS2’s nursery bill which he transfers to me. I usually have to ask two or three times every month for him to actually pay it. He has personal debts, not sure what he’s paying off those.

I am in debt which I am also paying off myself. These total around £300 a month. These are debts run up because I’ve struggled to make ends meet.

I have broached this subject on numerous occasions. By my calculations he should have around £400 a month spare, of which I don’t see a penny nor do I know what it’s spent on. I have maybe £50 a month spare cash to do what I want with, sometimes absolutely nothing hence the debts.

In addition to the financial inequality, there is no intimacy. We haven’t had sex for two and a half years. We do not cuddle. We go to bed separately every night. Any kisses are quick pecks on the lips as we say hello or goodbye.

He is moody, detached from family life for the most part and I feel so lonely.

I do most of the housework, all of the food shopping and I cook pretty much every night. I am up early every single day for work. I get the kids sorted, I also get up with them every weekend. He will only get up early when there’s football for DS1. He is also the manager of the team and therefore out on football duties 3, sometimes 4 times a week.

He is a good dad for the most part. He adores the boys and they adore him. I just feel at such a loss as to what to do. He refuses to contribute any more financially. The intimacy issue is the elephant in the room and I don’t even bother bringing it up anymore. Years of rejection and refusal to believe it’s a problem have left me thinking there is absolutely no way back from here.

I cry almost every day. At work nobody would ever know there’s anything wrong. I confided to my mum about how I feel and she thinks I’ve given more than enough over the years and that I need to do what makes me happy. The trouble is I don’t know what that is anymore. Breaking his heart and splitting up my family wouldn’t make me happy. Similarly, I can’t imagine being in this situation 5 more years from now. I’ll be almost 40 and if nothing has improved in the last 12 years, why would they now?

Writing it all down like this makes me realise what a doormat I’ve been. I guess what I’m asking is where do I go from here? Can I simply just tell him I do not want to be in a relationship like this any more? I feel like I’m not even the same person anymore and I don’t want my sons growing up thinking such an unequal, distant relationship is normal.

I could go on and on and on but it’s so overwhelming.

If you’ve managed to read this all, thank you.

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MikeUniformMike · 02/10/2019 15:41

It might be worth getting counselling as a couple.

Whatsmynextmove · 02/10/2019 15:42

I’ve suggested counselling. I would be willing to do this, but he point blank refused.

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MikeUniformMike · 02/10/2019 15:51

Find out where you would stand financially if you left him.

Aquamarine1029 · 02/10/2019 15:56

Get rid already. He brings zero value to your life and that will not change. What a shame to waste your life on a dead relationship.

GeneHuntLover · 02/10/2019 16:00

Doesn't sound like you'd be breaking his heart, he doesn't seem bothered about you paying for everything and going short every month....they are not the actions of a loving father and husband

Whatsmynextmove · 02/10/2019 16:00

If I left him I would be no worse off.
All I would be taking on is the water and broadband bill, but I’d save money elsewhere with the single person discount on council tax and lower grocery bills. That’s assuming he would still pay half of the nursery fee, which in my opinion is the bare minimum and looking at child maintenance calculators I would likely be entitled to at least £100 more than that. What a joke this is!

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Whatsmynextmove · 02/10/2019 16:02

When I’ve broached the subject of separating before his only response was, “but where would I go?”
That’s very telling isn’t it?

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Aquamarine1029 · 02/10/2019 16:04

When I’ve broached the subject of separating before his only response was, “but where would I go?”
That’s very telling isn’t it?

Yes it is, and if I were you I would very quickly get over your fear of change, because that is the only reason you're still with him. Your life will be SO much happier without him, you don't even realise how much better.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 02/10/2019 16:07

“but where would I go?”

Sorry, but he sounds pathetic. He is not paying his way. He is not contributing to family life, even close to what he should be doing.

it is not your problem where he goes. He's an adult. He can rent a room/flat like most other people.

Can I simply just tell him I do not want to be in a relationship like this any more? Yes, you can. You don't need out permission to do that. The fact that you're unhappy (and have been for a long time) is more than enough.

I don’t want my sons growing up thinking such an unequal, distant relationship is normal Good for you. I hope you can get this man-child out of your life relatively easily. I'm sure you will find life is much easier when you don't have to look after him as well. Flowers

Whatsmynextmove · 02/10/2019 16:09

Thanks everyone. I can’t tell you how good it feels to have my feelings validated and not minimised. I feel like I’m going crazy sometimes.
He’s away with work at the moment, but when he’s back I plan to talk to him.

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Aquamarine1029 · 02/10/2019 16:13

In the meantime, start getting things in order. If you have joint bank accounts, open a private one immediately and move your money into it. Are you married?

Geppili · 02/10/2019 16:15

Op how did those financial arrangements get made and why? Why don't you halve every bill? The dc will know you are unhappy. So sorry you cry.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 02/10/2019 16:18

Yes to opening a personal bank account and moving your money into it.

You say you pay all the rent; is the tenancy in both of your names or just yours? (Am hoping it's the latter).

Get water and internet switched over to your name too.

Whatsmynextmove · 02/10/2019 16:25

Not married.
We have separate accounts.
It’s just always been this way, no idea why. It’s ridiculous and it’s only recently I’ve struggled because my earnings have gone down so I’ve noticed just how unfair it is. I realise how foolish this makes me sound.

The tenancy is in both of our names, however the rent is paid from my account and if I had to leave the house there’s no way he could afford the rent so that’s not an option.

We have no joint debts. Utilities are in my name only. As is the Sky account. Council tax is in both names, but easy enough to take his name off which I would need to do to get the single person discount anyway.

Child benefit is paid into my account.

In the past I would pay the bulk of the bills and he would pay for meals out/days out etc. Then DS2 came along and we moved into a bigger house, all of a sudden the spare money I had was needed for nursery fees, the additional rent and higher council tax. He did say he would “help” towards the higher rent but I haven’t seen a penny. I said bills should be split. He said he would be left with absolutely nothing if that was the case and why am I always so “take take take”. I never brought it up again.

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Aquamarine1029 · 02/10/2019 16:32

You are SO lucky to be in the financial position you're in, all things considered, and it's excellent that you're not married. This makes ending it so much easier. No legal entanglements and solicitor fees.

As soon as he gets back, end it. Don't waste another day.

Whatsmynextmove · 02/10/2019 16:56

Thank you. This has really helped. I was thinking I’d be crazy to rock the boat, but actually I’ll be fine. As will the kids. It will be nice to enjoy my hard earned money too.

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Aquamarine1029 · 02/10/2019 17:00

You will be happier than you've been in a very, very long time. I think you've probably forgotten how that feels.

A whole new life is waiting for you.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 02/10/2019 17:00

Not married
We have separate accounts

Phew! That's good news.

It’s just always been this way, no idea why because he is, in the language of Mumsnet, what's known as a 'cocklodger'.

Doesn't contribute financially, doesn't help with day to day running of household, just sits back and expects you to do it all (and pay for it too).

Start making your plans today! Freedom awaits! Flowers

Interestedwoman · 02/10/2019 17:11

To leave would be the right decision, he sounds lame. Best wishes. xxx

Geppili · 02/10/2019 17:23

He is so lazy, passive and entitled! You sound intelligent, hardworking and long suffering. He is just not showing that he cares about you or his responsibilities. He's projecting when he said that you are 'take, take, take'. You aren't foolish either. In fact, I suspect some form of manipulation has gone on by him on you. Even if it is just not acknowledging how unequal it is.

Whatsmynextmove · 02/10/2019 19:43

Thank you all for your kind words and encouragement. I feel so much better and more confident knowing i would be doing the right thing.

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DonKeyshot · 02/10/2019 20:44

When he whines that he hasn't got anywhere to go, tell him that he has as least £400 a month plus the sums he won't be paying for water, internet, Netflix, at his disposal and it shouldn't take him more than a week or two to find alternative accomodation.

rosamundos · 02/10/2019 21:00

You know what you need to do. Focus on the bigger picture - you have so much potential in front of you, and your children will benefit exponentially from having a happy mother.

Your partner is an adult, you're not his mother. Just as you are responsible for your own life and future happiness, so is he.

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