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Why get married?

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eenymeenyminyme · 20/09/2019 12:12

I got married 20 years ago because I wanted to have a secure family to bring children into and I knew it would make my elderly parents happy to see me 'settled'. I also naively thought it would guarantee fidelity...

ExH obviously didn't think the same and I got divorced 4 years ago. I'm in a happy relationship with DP now but we have no intention of getting married as we can't see the point.

It's made me think though - why did / would you get married second (or subsequent) time round? I'm not criticising anyone who does, just interested to know why and what difference it made, if any?

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whiteroseredrose · 20/09/2019 12:13

Inheritance tax and Pension benefits to name just two.

eenymeenyminyme · 20/09/2019 12:18

@whiteroseredrose really? I didn't think there were any financial incentives since it stopped affecting your tax code. I'll have to google!

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Aposterhasnoname · 20/09/2019 12:18

Firstly, for the legal protections, second, DH and I are both divorced and we both thought it important that we were willing to give each other everything we’d given our exes. Third, having researched my family tree and found second spouses for some relatives I felt it important that should any of our defendants (we don’t have children together) do a similar search we want them to know that we were together and important in each other’s lives.

NorthEndGal · 20/09/2019 12:21

I'm on my first marriage, 21 years in, but if something happened to the mister, I'm not sure if I'd marry again.
I love the marriage I have, but I think I would put too much pressure on the next guy to live up to the first.
Doubt anyone would want to take that on haha!

GreenTulips · 20/09/2019 12:21

You’d need water right wills
No claim on pension
No claim in their share of property or pension
No say in funeral arrangements - this is quite important as family can argue and don’t need to invite you
You aren’t next of kin if they need medication or life support
You wouldn’t be involved or even informed

30to50FeralHogs · 20/09/2019 12:27

Of course being married doesn’t guarantee fidelity, but it does guarantee that if you, as a woman, spend your life facilitating your male partner’s career by becoming a SAHM or by taking on certain roles within the family to free his mind/time to put into earning money, that in the event of infidelity and subsequent divorce you’re not disadvantaged.

I’ve been Separated/divorced for 7 years and met my current partner shortly afterwards. I came out of the marriage with a house and short term spousal maintenance on top of child maintenance because I’d facilitated his career at the expense of my own and he had the opportunity to continue earning well after the split.

If I marry DP it will be to legitimise our relationship in the eyes of family/friends/our DCs as a second relationship is somehow considered lesser by many, including his DCs.

I’m often still included in family events by my former in laws which is lovely and my XH and I get on well. His family still include his ex in things too.

I feel like DP’s family still see me as a bit of an added extra, as I’m not a parent to his DCs and we don’t live together, so it’s not their default to invite me along to things.

My own family used to treat DP and his children as family, inviting them to family things, sending them bday gifts and cards etc and treating them the same as mine at Xmas, but in recent years they’ve stopped doing this as it became one sided and unequal. I think if we’d been married and all lived together full time, the lines would have been clearer to wider family.

As it stands I would lose out financially if I married DP and he’d end up subsidising me where tax credits do now, so until our DCs are all grown up, we’ll remain slightly detached. I’ll be honest it makes it easier to consider packing it all in when we argue. If we were married it wouldn’t be a case of “fuck this, I don’t have to put up with being spoken to like that” but more of a “we need to work on communication if this marriage is going to work”.

When we’ve talked about issues we have, DP is upset that I’m not more invested in our relationship long term and can happily throw in the towel whenever I choose to, but I’ve pointed out that I can literally do that because we are NOT committed, not even engaged, have no financial ties and nothing to keep us together other than goodwill.

TinklyLittleLaugh · 20/09/2019 12:27

You don't need to be married to nominate someone to receive your pension.
You don't need to be married to will someone your property.
You don't need to be married to be someone's next of kin.

DH and I have been happily un married for nearly 30 years and we have the financial side tied up. However we are probably going to get married for inheritance tax purposes.

30to50FeralHogs · 20/09/2019 12:28

having researched my family tree and found second spouses for some relatives I felt it important that should any of our defendants (we don’t have children together) do a similar search we want them to know that we were together and important in each other’s lives

That’s a nice reason. Smile

30to50FeralHogs · 20/09/2019 12:32

You aren’t next of kin if they need medication or life support

Yes true. I took DP to hospital last year and they asked for his NOK when checking in. He told them his brother’s details Confused

I pointed out that if anything happened while we were there that needed NOK to approve that they’d have to try and get hold of his DB while I was sat right there. Pissed me off a bit tbh so I explained and managed to change it. He was just thinking who they needed to call if he died (like I wouldn’t consider phoning his DB Hmm ) but it’s just that fuzzy line about who’s the number one person in his life that annoys me. If we were married it would 100% be me, but as we’re not, I’m just somebody he’s seeing.

eenymeenyminyme · 20/09/2019 12:34

Thanks everyone - all really interesting stuff to mull over... especially the inheritance tax thing. Maybe if we move in together then we'll consider 'making it legal' to make things slightly easier financially, but for now we do everything totally separately so there's no need.

I kind of like the fact that we're together because we want to be and neither of us wants to walk away, but we could if we wanted to. Maybe once my daughter leaves home I'll feel differently but that's not going to be for a few years yet.

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TinklyLittleLaugh · 20/09/2019 12:44

30to50 But are you just someone your DP is seeing? I mean do you share a home, finances, children? Are you his life partner (maybe not in his eyes)?

Moshpit99 · 20/09/2019 12:46

From a mans perspectives I see no benefits at all. Are there any? My divorce cost me a fortune and should I get married again, surely I’m setting myself up for more of the same, unless I find a partner with similar financial circumstances.

My current partner is starting to drop heavy hints about this despite saying she wasn’t bothered when we first met.

TinklyLittleLaugh · 20/09/2019 12:51

Mosh if your wife was a higher earner there would be benefits.

Moshpit99 · 20/09/2019 12:55

There would only be benefits if total assets were higher wouldn’t there?

My friend has recently divorced (she left him a note and walked out). They had bought a house together but he paid the full deposit. He then paid the mortgage and all the bills despite her earning a substantial income (he earned an even bigger sum). They were married 5 years, no kids. She walked away with £250k and that wasn’t half the increase in value! That sort of story really puts me off. If my partner continues to push then I can see it will split us up because I’m not taking that risk.

TinklyLittleLaugh · 20/09/2019 13:01

I guess you could try and get a prenup Mosh, not sure how legally binding they are though. It's a bit harsh to expect someone to walk away from a marriage with nothing though; everyone brings something to the table, if only their support and time.

Moshpit99 · 20/09/2019 13:09

£50k a year ain’t bad though for no financial contribution.

I’d rather just stay as I am. Too risky. I need to protect what I have left for the kids.

Once bitten!

30to50FeralHogs · 20/09/2019 14:31

30to50 But are you just someone your DP is seeing? I mean do you share a home, finances, children? Are you his life partner (maybe not in his eyes)?

We don’t share a home, finances or children, but we’ve been together 7 years and talk about the future when we’re old and living together. With DCs each at different schools neither of us want to uproot them for our own gain, so have stayed separate. He definitely sees me as his life partner (although he wouldn’t use those words) but I think he’d be happy to stay unmarried (he didn’t marry the mother of his DCs either) whereas to me, marriage does legitimise the relationship and shows a level of commitment that we just don’t have at the moment. He’s not anti marriage but I think doesn’t see the importance of it as much as I do.

CassianAndor · 20/09/2019 14:34

DH is my second husband. We new fairly early on that we wanted a long life together but we both came with a lot of baggage which needed to be sorted through.

We got married when Dd was a toddler. It just felt very important to us and to our family unit to make that step, that commitment. Of course, there are very practical reasons to get married but for me it did make a difference and I am so happy we did it. It gives a strength, a backbone to our relationship through the hard times.

CassianAndor · 20/09/2019 14:34

knew!

I should say, no DC with XH.

30to50FeralHogs · 20/09/2019 14:39

He then paid the mortgage and all the bills despite her earning a substantial income. They obviously agreed to this at the time in order to both have some personal spending money. It’s a shame when couples make decisions to benefit each other in good faith and then use those same decisions as a stick to beat each other with after the fact.

Obviously if you get married and share assets you may end up worse off in divorce, but if you love someone then surely having a happy life together where you both get to enjoy the same level of leisure and luxury should be more important than what happens if you get divorced. Keeping things separate and being hesitant about sharing your life with her will more likely drive a wedge and make a split more likely. If you’re in it for the long haul maybe you should take the risk and accept that money isn’t the be all and end all. Having someone you love to share it with is worth a lot.

Otterhound · 20/09/2019 14:44

I wont get married again as

  1. Not having any more kids
  2. I dont want a legal financial obligation to someone else
Otterhound · 20/09/2019 14:53

Mosh- simple advise is this- if you are not having kids never marry someone who is worse off than you as you until you get to the age it might make sense for care reasons.

JorisBonson · 20/09/2019 14:56

I got married the first time round because it was what you did after so many years together, and all my mates were doing it. Needless to say I got divorced shortly after.

I'm remarrying next year and it's because I love the bones of the man.

ChristmasFluff · 20/09/2019 15:00

I wouldn't get married again - but I also wouldn't live with a partner again either. I think if you are pooling resources then it is advisable to marry, to ensure that when you die, the other person isn't left high and dry. Also, if you are going to have children, then marriage protects the person who reduces their income to look after them, and I would never have children without being married.

The Next of Kin thing really isn't an issue though - you can name anyone as Next of Kin. I know this as a fact since the ex-abuser kept naming me as his next of kin for years after we split up (we never married), and I was forever getting phonecalls from nurses to say he had overdosed/fallen down stairs/been beaten up/got glassed/falling down drunk..... It was really difficult to get them to flag his notes that I was NOT his next of kin, and he was using it as a weird way of stalking. If someone isn't naming you as next of kin, that's on them, not the law.

fantasmasgoria1 · 20/09/2019 15:14

I have been married twice. First husband very horrifically abusive. Second abusive but not in as many ways as the first. I will be getting married to my fiance next year. He is the man I was destined to be with. I don't even count the first two due to the way I was treated. You think they would have put me off but my fiance is so loving, caring, kind, considerate, respectful, supportive, patient, funny, understanding and generally awesome. He asked me and I was so very sure of him. Obviously there is the element of feeling secure in other ways but it's the person I want to be with.

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