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Advice please, husband, porn, masturbation

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BurningBright123 · 19/09/2019 08:29

Hi, please could I have some advice? It's a long one.

17 years ago after my son was born and he was 6 weeks old, I discovered my husband was a heavy user of Internet porn. I had always made it clear porn was a definite NO in our relationship. I know not everyone feels that way, and I respect that, but I do, and I made that clear. What hurt the most is that the history revealed he had done in while I was in hospital having our son and whilst he was alone with my son whilst I was having a sleep upstairs in the early days, amongst many other times, probably 3 or 4 times a week, whenever the opportunity arose. I was devastated but full of hormones and fear as my world had just been turned upside down. Both my family and his became involved and both persuaded me I'd be better off staying in the marriage and trying to build my new family. This took a huge toll on my mental health and I started taking antidepressants. We went on to have 2 more children.

During the marriage there have been a lot of lies, he has lied about many financial things and got us into debt to the time of 15,000. He hid this from me and ended up with a CCJ. He paid the money back at £550 a month which meant that the family was under financial pressure. I was having my third child, it meant I couldn't take time off work before my baby was born despite having placenta praevia and terrified I could haemorrhage, and afterwards I was only able to take 5 months off. I'm self employed so if I don't work I do not earn.

This took a huge toll on my mental health and I began drinking heavily (around a bottle a night). I was then diagnosed with bipolar disorder 4 years ago. I'm now medicated and ok, but continued to drink heavily. I sought help with this in February of this year and have been sober since and working with a counsellor. I'm seeing things a lot more clearly and can see my drinking has been a way of coping with pain, unhappiness, and an unwillingness to face my feelings and emotions.

We don't have much sex in the marriage and I suspected all along this is because of excessive wanking on my husbands part and he's literally got nothing left for me. He swears he's not used porn since the episode 17 years ago, I've kind of believed him and used the drinking to stop me questioning too much.

Anyway, my middle child is very ill, and he and I were in hospital for 2 days over the weekend. When I returned I found used tissues in my office, where I see clients, which stank of semen. My husband occasionally works from there and he was doing so on Monday before my son and I came home. I confronted him and he said it wasn't him, and blamed our teenage sons. He even went to ask them in turn whether they knew anything about it. They said no and I said, I completely believe them as I've brought them up to be honest and open, and why would they hide in my office to have a wank anyway?

After 48 hours, my husband came home and said to me, "I'm sorry, I've behaved appallingly" so finally admitted it was him. I have no idea if porn is involved, he says not, and that his only crime was masturbating and he did it in the toilet then popped into the study and accidentally left the tissues. Fucking weird behaviour, no? I said he was disgusting for blaming our son's, he agrees and says he will apologise to them.

The point here is that I understand masturbation is totally normal, and don't have a problem with it at all, but it's affected our sexual relationship so much and I do suspect the use of porn, which is unacceptable to me.

I've consulted a solicitor this week about divorce. He's said he will make things nasty for me if I cite porn use leading to a breakdown of sex in the marriage as unreasonable behaviour and tell everyone about me being Bipolar, my drinking and generally that he's been living with a cold wife all of these years.

I'm absolutely devastated. I started this post to ask advice about whether there is a way forward in the marriage, or I should LTB. I think I've answered my own question.

Please please offer me some advice, words of wisdom, or experiences of similar situations, and thanks for reading if you got this far!

OP posts:
ShatnersWig · 19/09/2019 08:44

Leave.

The porn is the least of your troubles.

endofthelinefinally · 19/09/2019 08:47

Ignore his threats.
Contact Womens Aid
Proceed with the divorce.
Find and copy all finance related paperwork.
He sounds a thoroughly nasty piece of work.

BurningBright123 · 19/09/2019 09:42

Thanks for your replies. Thing is all these years I've doubted myself, my values, needs etc and thought I should stay and make the best of it for the children. I came from a home with narcissistic father and a mother who constantly told me things I experienced "never happened". I've fallen for it again, haven't I? 21 years we've been together. what a waste. The counsellling/psychotherapy I've been getting and being sober has changed how I see things. My self esteem is so much better, I've been exercising, eating well, 8 feel better about myself than I ever have 💪 and I believe my values are my values and it's ok to stand up for those.

Now my sons know he tried to blame them, they are going to make their own conclusions, aren't they? But my little girl is only 5, I don't know how she will feel. I was going to say that he's a good Dad, but that's clearly not true.

What do I do about the bipolar and drinking coming out? I'm going to try and keep it to mediation rather than going to court, but still, I'm so ashamed of both.

I think my husband may be narcissistic, it's going to be hard for me seeing him move on quickly (as he certainly will) charm the pants off someone else and then blame me for the breakdown of our marriage because of my MH and drinking.

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Mary1935 · 19/09/2019 09:48

What are you getting out of the marriage now.
He probably still using porn but deletes everything.
What was the £15,000 debt for - you have clearly supported him a great deal at a cost to yourself.
Time to think about your self.
You can quote unreasonable behaviour - lack of intimacy could be one of the reasons. You don’t need to mention the porn if it helps keep the peace a little more.
Good luck.

incognitomum · 19/09/2019 09:50

Your poor sons. How could he accuse them?

He's horrific.

BurningBright123 · 19/09/2019 10:07

Yup.
He's allegedly going to apologise to them. I'm sure they will forgive him, as it's probably the first time he's done a serious lie to them. Won't be the last though, will it?

Still worried about my bipolar and drinking history. Any advice on that please?

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BurningBright123 · 19/09/2019 10:11

Debt was allegedly he was using his credit card for expenses, then when those got paid to him at the end of the month the money got swallowed up in household expenses so he didn't make the repayments. He earned 40k at the time, and I was earning too, not nearly as much as that, but still. it's kind of unlikely I can see now, but I really wanted to believe him.

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KUGA · 19/09/2019 10:15

Get rid whilst you may have some money etc.
He has lied to you through the whole of your marriage.
Abd lost you so much money.
I feel for you and your sons.

BlueBirdGreenFence · 19/09/2019 10:28

I don't think any of the porn/wanking is a big deal. You're being way OTT about that and a bit weird how you seem to be blaming so much on it. The lying/blaming your kids/financial fuck ups are however massive issues. I'd go mad about them but probably wouldn't end my marriage over it if there are no other incidents of them.

BurningBright123 · 19/09/2019 11:57

That's an interesting take on it BlueBird and I appreciate your views. In what way am I being weird about the porn though when for me it's a massive no in the relationship? Genuinely interested in your take on this. I think there is an issue with his lack of intimacy with me and I've seriously tried everything I can think of to address this, including talking to him a lot about it. It's the dishonesty I can't get round or get over, and tbh that's gone in all through the marriage and I've got to a point where I can't tolerate it. I don't have a problem with masturbation, totally normal and natural, but when it's excessive to the point you can't or don't want to have sex with your partner? Not normal, not ok.

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TinyTinathy · 19/09/2019 13:36

It sounds like you have a big problem with porn. How deep were you into the relationship before ethos came up?

With the strength of your feelings, I can completely understand why he wouldn't want you to know, I mean you're talking about divorcing him over something about as arbitrary as him wanting to shop at Asda over Tesco.

My (maybe unpopular) opinion is that porn is never a substitute for sex (it's just audio and moving pictures). There's a real conversation to be had about why he's choosing it over sex WITH YOU, if that's what he's doing, but it sounds like the pair of you have collaborated to create an environment that isn't conducive to an honest conversation about that.

WishICouldThinkOfAGoodName · 19/09/2019 13:37

I think that the lying is the real issue here. Please don’t worry about your bipolar or drinking, as that was to medicate your condition I imagine? You’re now taking all the right steps to get better and no family court will hold that against you. In fact, if your husband raises that he will be frowned upon.

As a PP said you can use lack of intimacy in your petition without gory details. The aim is to demonstrate you cannot stay in the marriage whilst looking like a reasonable person... the court always favours this.

I suggest you contact women’s aid and get a decent solicitor.

Good luck.

YippeeKayakOtherBuckets · 19/09/2019 13:40

I have bipolar and issues with alcohol. Get in front of it. Everyone in my life including work colleagues know about my MH (stable with meds) and I’m pretty well known for being a bit of a lush. I have a responsible job and I’m well liked as far as I can tell. If you’re worried about social services involvement, don’t be, you are sober and in counselling and you are stable on your meds.

He’s got nothing on you.

YippeeKayakOtherBuckets · 19/09/2019 13:41

Also please don’t be ashamed of having bipolar. It’s not a failing. And it’s not something you can help having!

category12 · 19/09/2019 13:59

Well, tbh, I don't see why you would need to include the porn etc in filing for divorce. You've plenty of other things to use, or alternatively you could separate and do it after 2 years. The ideal for your dc is as amicable a split as possible, so why deliberately inflame?

BurningBright123 · 19/09/2019 14:35

Thanks for the replies. I wasn't planning to use porn on the divorce, it's a matter of individual taste as I said in my OP, and I respect that for some people and in some relationships it's ok and I think that's fine and healthy. We weren't far into the relationship when it was discussed at all. My husband was the one who said if I mentioned it he would get nasty. I was going to say irreconcilable sexual differences or lack of intimacy or something.

Can I also make clear, masturbation isn't a problem, but it is when it's at the cost of our sex life (which it s).

Thanks for the comments on the MH and former alcohol issues, really helpful.

It's absolutely the lying about this and the financial issues that's the problem here. And here, blaming our boys!!!!

I know it's up to me but I wanted opinions about AIBU, could there be a scenario in which this can be worked through, or am I just being taken for a mug. Appreciate all views.

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TheBatsHaveLeftTheBellTower · 19/09/2019 14:50

This is so sad to read, OP. And so frustrating.

If your families hadn't got involved, you might well have left him after one child and gone on to have a happy and fulfilling life without the need for alcohol and medication.

So sad that your whole life has become this for the sake of 'saving face' and not ending the relationship.

I hope you can find the strength to leave him now. I don't believe there is a way of working this through. Both people have to want that in order to achieve it. You have, quite literally, become ill trying whilst he has made no effort at all.

Oh and you know he's lying, don't you? About wanking in the toilet and then carrying the manly tissues into your office and leaving them there? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever!

BurningBright123 · 19/09/2019 15:08

Yes I know he's still lying. And yes I do wish I'd had the strength no leave when I realised he was a liar and not who he was pretending to be 17 years ago. I take full responsibility for my actions of drinking but now I've stopped I can see clearly all it's been covering up.

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TheBatsHaveLeftTheBellTower · 19/09/2019 15:33

I wasn't having a dig at you - just to be clear. I think it's shocking that some people will encourage a woman to tolerate all sorts of shit in a relationship just so that she doesn't carry the 'shame' of being single.

It makes me so cross and so sad ❤

Ferretyone · 19/09/2019 15:37

@BurningBright123 - you say

"Can I also make clear, masturbation isn't a problem, but it is when it's at the cost of our sex life (which it s)"

The trouble is that it may be difficult to establish which is cause and which is effect. If you [both] feel there is anything that can be saved then a [Relate?] counsellor might well help though this will require hard work on both parties behalf.

Best wishes to you

BurningBright123 · 19/09/2019 15:48

Hi yes that's true, but it's the lies and deceit really. Financially mostly. He's lied about debt, lied about getting his tax return in on time so been fine £2k for that, the list goes on and on. The sex part is an issue but probably not the main one. We have been to relate years ago. He doesn't seem to be capable of the truth. He doesn't seem to see that being honest applies to him. The lies just trip off his tongue. I've just had several conversations over the last 48 hours where he's blames our sons for the wanky tissues in my office and completely denied it. It's the lies not the situation that's made me decide to draw a line. I couldn't care less about him having a wank. Why not just come clean and I would probably have got annoyed about the porn (seems unlikely it wasn't involved as it was where computers and phones are kept) but forgiven him AGAIN.

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PositiveVibez · 19/09/2019 15:55

I don't think any of the porn/wanking is a big deal. You're being way OTT about that and a bit weird how you seem to be blaming so much on it

That is your opinion and you are welcome to it.

People are not weird and 'OTT' if men watching the degradation of women becomes detrimental to their marriage.

OP is fully entitled to her feelings on porn, just as you are!! How dare you tell her what she is being just because you find the sex industry all fine and fucking dandy.

BurningBright123 · 19/09/2019 15:55

@TheBatsHaveLeftTheBellTower sorry, I didn't think for a minute you were having a dig, your response was very kind and honest and you're 100% right. It makes me sad too and I do so wish I'd had the strength back then when I was 27. I didn't, but I do now!

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BurningBright123 · 19/09/2019 15:57

@PositiveVibez totally!

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TheBatsHaveLeftTheBellTower · 19/09/2019 15:58

Be a warrior, Burning and reclaim your life.

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