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Boyfriend good and bad at the same time

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30old · 06/09/2019 15:19

Is it worth it to continue with a partner who is on the surface lovely man, but on a deeper level I have so may doubts? I do not have much time left to start family and I have not had the best of luck with men (only short-time relationships in the past) previously. So I have the risk of being single forever if I decide to break up.

In many things he is lovely, affectionate, he can and does cook and clean, wash his own clothes, he is smart, has good conversations, is wonderful at organising days out or longer trips. And I love it all. But despite all this, he has rather slow self-esteem, I guess. He is very critical of everything and everyone (expect me – he has put me somewhat on pedestal). He talks the talk but rarely walks the walk. He drags his feet whenever he needs to take some responsibility or important decisions or do something that needs more time and effort. It would be a bit easier if he’d say direct “no” to things, but he usually says yes or similar and then starts to drag his feet. OK, he has said a few times that he does not want to take any hobbies or volunteering or such because he just wants to chill and have fun after work and not be bothered with responsibilities. But with everything else important (studies, changing job, repairing something at home, helping his parents, going to doctor, losing weight) he would rather say yes and then not deliver. He is somewhat jealous of successful people and sometimes whinges that he does not have enough money to buy nice things and saying ”what have I done wrong in life”, but he does not do anything to improve his situation. It all is constant, so I struggle to enjoy his good qualities and ignore the bad ones, because these are constantly intertwined. At one moment he is all kind and nice with me and the second moment he says ugly things about other people, for example. At one moment he cleans the entire flat and cooks a meal, and the second moment he ignores the fact that I want some input from him regarding some repairs at home. Last night, having a casual conversation, I figured out it seems that all of his previous girlfriends (a few prior to me) have earned more than him, being more successful or even older and he has not had the need to make big efforts to earn more or take some responsibilities. He has basically always been in a long term relationship, living together, always in rental flats or his girlfriend’s flat. At least one of these were rented only on the girlfriend’s name. Now he is living in my flat. He does not have anything that belongs to him basically, besides his clothes. He even does not have his own computer or phone (uses the ones that his employer has given him, while whining that these are crappy models and he would like something better).
I got so confused last night with all these feelings. I love the affection and caring from his side, he really makes me feel loved and cared for and I can give it to him also. But I also know that sometimes you must be responsible adult, deal with things and responsibilities and I hate that I have to carry that role alone while I am not alone anymore. I guess I cannot change him? I do not want to lose these good qualities that he has, but I cannot live with the bad ones. And I cannot tell which one weighs more, I guess he is 50/50 good and bad and I feel paralysed. Seriously – loving him one minute, disliking him the next and it is like that every day, constantly. Not like we have two good days and then one bad, but my feelings and his behaviour changes minute by minute or hour by hour.

How can I improve it? If I want to stay in the relationship? How to change my feelings or guide him somehow? (Couples counselling is rather expensive, I’d like to try cheaper alternatives first if possible).

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30old · 06/09/2019 15:19

Oh my, I did not plan to write such a long novel!

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Baguetteaboutit · 06/09/2019 15:22

At the risk of being morbid, does this sound like the kind of person you'd want to raise your child if you dropped dead?

OmniversalsTapdancingTadpole · 06/09/2019 15:29

but I cannot live with the bad ones.

You seemed to have answered your own question here 30old

You cant make him do anything or change, you are not responsible for him. You are only responsible for yourself, your thoughts and actions.

He and you are not on the same page......

Tableclothing · 06/09/2019 15:34

Why would you want to have kids with this one? What do you think he'd contribute? He'd leave you on your own to deal with anything difficult. Don't do that to your future self.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 06/09/2019 15:34

30old

re your comments in quote marks:-
"Is it worth it to continue with a partner who is on the surface lovely man, but on a deeper level I have so may doubts?"

No

"I do not have much time left to start family and I have not had the best of luck with men (only short-time relationships in the past) previously".

And the run of "bad luck" continues with this bloke you've shackled yourself to now. What did you learn about relationships when you were growing up, what sort of an example did your parents show you?. Is this all you think you deserve from a relationship?.

"So I have the risk of being single forever if I decide to break up".

I doubt that very much but being with Mr Wrong as you are now will just lead to more emotional heartache and pain. Being with him actively stops you from meeting someone else.

Why are you with such a frankly disasterous sounding man who is more than ok also to drag you down with him?. The man is not for changing; this is who he is and he is not going to change for anyone least of all you. He is a leech who targets mainly older and more successful women to try and drag down to his base level. Get him now out of your flat!. How is it he managed to move in at all, he's good at manipulating you isn't he?. And do not change your own self either to suit him. Whatever you do and say will never be good enough for this bloke because he will also continuously set you up to fail and or move the goalposts.

Aquamarine1029 · 06/09/2019 15:42

He goes from one woman to the next, most likely because they get fed up and bin him off. I would run a mile.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 06/09/2019 15:46

No, he sounds like a serial cocklodger. Sorry.

Do NOT have a child with this man. He avoids all responsibility.

BlingLoving · 06/09/2019 15:49

Without judging the specific issues, why would you even consider having a baby with a man you actively dislike half the time?

He doesn't sound like a bad person to me, just someone who doesn't have qualities you want. He's clearly lacking ambition or drive and that's something that's important to you. You also want someone who is going to take on some of the responsibilities o life, and clearly that's not him either. So I honestly think you need to move on.

trust me, having a baby alone is easier than with someone who is basically a child too.

GammaStingRay · 06/09/2019 15:51

OP, most of the good qualities you list are pretty basic/standard. He cooks and cleans? Can have good conversations? Affectionate? Is smart? There are millions of men with those qualities. I’m sure there are others you’ve not mentioned as it sounds like you’re so grateful to have found a guy who wants to be affectionate and pulls his weight around the house you’re trying to convince yourself to hold onto him.

Baguetteaboutit I absolutely love what you’ve asked. Wow. That really got me thinking and hit home. I’m about to have my first child, I’ve waited a while to find the right partner to have a family with as I believed the father you choose for your children is one of the most important decisions you can make for them. Your question is blunt but really crystallised what’s been in the back of my mind all these years: have a child with a man who you’d trust to raise them and do a good job of it if you disappeared or dropped dead tomorrow. It’s so important! I will use that I think on the threads from women trying to convince themselves into having kids with crappy men.

OmniversalsTapdancingTadpole · 06/09/2019 15:53

Have you thought about putting some of your eggs on ice?

I know a couple of women whom met their husbands when they were in their late 30s, they have had alot of issues with their fertility and had to have help. They both say that they wished that they had their eggs frozen when they were younger so that the decline in their egg quality was not an issue.

Just putting it out there.......

MrsSpenserGregson · 06/09/2019 15:54

Don't saddle your future child(ren) with this man as their father. He's not good enough.

GammaStingRay · 06/09/2019 15:55

How old are you btw OP?

billy1966 · 06/09/2019 16:00

OP, do you believe a waster for a partner is better than being on your own?

That's the simple truth of what you are asking.

I definitely believe not.

Living with a waster will suck everything from you and leave you depleted of peace, money, happiness, contentment.

Don't do it.
💐

SophieSong · 06/09/2019 16:03

I'd be very careful about being with anyone who puts you on a pedestal - there's usually only one way to go from there. And, your fall is very likely to come when you are giving a good deal of love, care and attention to a baby.

OmniversalsTapdancingTadpole · 06/09/2019 16:05

How old are you btw OP? good question, i assumed that you are 30 op from your 'name'. I take back my suggestion if it is unfeeling and unhelpful.

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DuchessOfDukeStreet · 06/09/2019 16:07

You'll never have a child while you're effectively dating one.

30old · 09/09/2019 08:36

Hi again. Thank you for all your valuable input. I am 30, indeed.
I have thought about breaking up so many times. But something is holding me back. I really do not know whether it is just the fear of being alone (which is funny, because I was alone for a long time and I was OK with that really, but now I also know the benefits of being with someone that I guess I would be rather lonely alone) or are the good qualities that important to me to put up with some of the not so good qualities. I mean - everyone has their own pros and cons, don't they. I'm also afraid that all "the good men" at this age are already taken. And most of all I'm afraid that perhaps there is something I can fix in myself - find some ways how to cope with the things I do not like so much. Because I'm afraid that perhaps something similar will happen to the next one and the next one and so on - I do not like something and then I just move on? My boyfriend has always told me that if you love someone, you make it work, you do not run away.
But I know that I must do the decision. So I thank you for your input, because you make good points. I will definitely read these again and think these through.

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Jaffacakesaremyfave · 09/09/2019 09:31

This guy has HUGE red flags. Please don't lumber yourself with this loser for the rest of your life by having children with him. You'd honestly be better getting a sperm donor and going it alone (and I say this as someone who had children with someone who was exactly the same as you are describing).

He's selfish, lazy, entitled, jealous of others, plays the victim in life, is lovebombing and idealsing you (soon enough he will knock you off the pedestal and it will be you he constantly criticizes), has had a string of short term relationships (V likely because of his behaviour), a liar (his actions don't meet his words) and a Jekyll and Hyde character.

This is the classic cocktail of traits for a man that will become abusive (I think he's a covert narcissist, read up on the traits www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/life-style/narcissist-personality-how-to-spot-behaviour-people-liar-empathy-a8372936.html%3famp.)

You are posting because you know this man isn't right. I promise you that no relationship is better than this relationshit you have right now. His 'good' qualities are the minimum adult behaviours expected of anyone. It will get worse if you stay and it will get a million times worse if you have a child with him. You know deep down you are compromising yourself by tolerating this man.

The bad side you describe is the REAL him. The rest is just a facade to keep you in the relationship. He hasn't 'changed' from the man you met, he is just showing you more of his true colours and this is just the start.

Bananalanacake · 09/09/2019 10:56

how did he move in. did you discuss it. does he pay towards the bills. does he have his own place where he could move back.

Oysterbabe · 09/09/2019 11:32

He sounds flaky as hell. I bet if you tried to pin him down with marriage and kids he'd find somewhere else to cocklodge.

Baguetteaboutit · 09/09/2019 12:45

My boyfriend has always told me that if you love someone, you make it work, you do not run away.

So, what is he doing to make it work? Is he acting like a grown up, taking responsibility for himself, developing into the kind of human that can throw something valuable into the pot?

Oh, wait, does he mean you should lower your standards in him and just drag him along in life?

SavingSpaces2019 · 09/09/2019 15:55

He drags his feet whenever he needs to take some responsibility or important decisions or do something that needs more time and effort

he's like this now and shows no initiative to improve....and you want kids with him?????
You'd be better off with just a sperm donor and going it alone.

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