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Male married friend, limerance and dating musings

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BrightonRox · 06/09/2019 10:31

Sorry, I couldn't think of a suitable title for this thread. Hi everyone, I'm new(ish) here - NC for this. It is a year since I split from my ex, it ended badly as was an abusive cheat and I said I would never get into a relationship again - I am in my early 40s. Despite having a full and varied social life, I'm starting to miss being in a relationship. This might be a bit rambling, so please forgive me.

I have a particular male friend for whom, I have developed feelings for, but he is married. After being in a relationship where I was cheated on and abused, I know I cannot and will not go there - I don't know if the feelings I have is limerance? He messages me frequently with regards to our shared hobby and has been supportive throughout this past year. We don't see each other very often as he lives quite far away and we meet up with our friendship group 4-5 times in the year, so all communicating is done via Whatsapp which he instigates all the time. He will message me directly most of the time and within group chats with our other friends. I have no way of knowing for sure, but some of the things he has said in our conversations, I think he also has feelings for me/fancies me. It isn't outright declarations etc, then again I could be reading between the lines because over all he is a very friendly person and lovely to everyone in our friendship group. We were due to both be at an event recently through our hobby and I had to cancel. He then messaged me to say he was cancelling too as it wasn't worth going to if I wasn't there. A mutual friend of ours commented on it in a teasing way saying she thinks he fancies me. I laughed it off, then felt a bit mortified it is being picked up upon by others.

If I was a friend to myself, I'd be telling me to cut him off totally, but due to the shared hobby we love, it isn't possible. So, the right thing to do is to distance myself with regards to the messaging directly and to keep conversations within group chats. I positively don't want to cross any lines. I never want to be 'the OW'.

This brings me my feelings about it all. I'm pissed off that this has happened, that the first person of the opposite sex I've felt comfortable with in a long time, is married. I have lots of male friends so it isn't as if I've been going about trying to attach myself to one of them intentionally. I am at that point of wanting to get out there and find a new partner, but I'm too scared. Objectively, I've obviously latched on to my friend because he seems to be everything I would want in a partner after the disastrous relationship I've been in with my ex.

My musings about dating; I'm a very wary/scared of dating apps and websites. I've looked at the dating thread on here and it fills me with dread. I'm worried about getting out there and attracting weirdos. I don't have the time and energy to be playing the numbers game to be open to finding a FWB or to date more than one person. I'm envious of one of my close friends who met her new partner out of the blue at a recent music festival just by literally bumping into each other. I'd rather it happen naturally like that to be honest, but also feel I need to meet someone to help dispel the feelings I have for my friend as I know it isn't right. I do have other hobbies and get out a lot socially, so I suppose it is a waiting game but should I try the dating apps and stop being so precious about my concerns with them? Or am I not ready at all? I just don't know.

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merryhouse · 06/09/2019 10:53

He's not everything you would want in a partner.

He's the sort of person who flirts with vulnerable single friends.

He wouldn't change if he were your partner.

Tell yourself this every time you think of him.

merryhouse · 06/09/2019 10:54

(no help on dating, I'm afraid - never done it online or off)

BrightonRox · 06/09/2019 11:02

@merryhouse do you think that is the case, that he is to want of a better word, preying on me because I'm a vulnerable single friend?

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crappyday2018 · 06/09/2019 11:48

Forget the married man (for obvious reasons). As for the dating apps, well I've not exactly had much luck finding Mr Right. It depends how eager you are to meet someone. I'm also early 40s and it gets harder to meet single me the older you get so I have tried the apps loads of times. It can be a minefield and you have to have a very thick skin.
A recent example is that i was chatting to a lovely guy, who ticked all the usual boxes. He actually seemed normal and nice. He asked me on a date then literally the next morning messages me to say that he has realised he definitely wants to have children so doesn't want to waste my time. Then blocks me on whatsapp. Its hard not to be disappointed when you think you have finally found someone remotely decent.
My advice is to keep getting yourself out there and if you want to try the apps, please approach them with zero expectations and try not to take anything personally (its hard not to and I still do sometimes).

Hopoindown31 · 06/09/2019 11:55

A married man who is willing to cheat is not great partner material

Give your head a wobble and shame on your mutual friend for encouraging this.

deydododatdodontdeydo · 06/09/2019 12:13

He's a married man, leave him alone and forget about h im.
It doesn't seem like he's been particularly flirty or led you on from what you've said. I can't see there's any indication he wants to or would cheat on his wife.

BrightonRox · 06/09/2019 13:02

@crappyday2018 Thanks for letting me know your experience. That's what I'm afraid of. Whilst I'm quite confident (outwardly), I don't think I have much of a thick skin and can be quite sensitive at times. That's mainly a product of being in an abusive relationship for many years. It is hard. I'm happy enough being single 90% of the time and have enjoyed having the freedom from a relationship, but would like to meet someone without it being akin to entering a meat market.

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BrightonRox · 06/09/2019 13:09

*A married man who is willing to cheat is not great partner material

Give your head a wobble and shame on your mutual friend for encouraging this.*

@Hopoindown31 believe me I know this too well with my ex-H cheating on me. I don't think my male friend is a cheating lothario by any stretch of the imagination either. However, I do know the direct messaging has to stop.

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BrightonRox · 06/09/2019 13:19

He's a married man, leave him alone and forget about h im.
It doesn't seem like he's been particularly flirty or led you on from what you've said. I can't see there's any indication he wants to or would cheat on his wife.

@deydododatdodontdeydo well without putting the actual messages on here it is very hard to explain why there is a flirtatious undertone to the messages. It isn't as black as white as you assume. Also, as I've outlined in my OP, I have no desire to be an OW having been the cheated on wife myself. I'm not pursuing him at all. It is possible to have feelings for someone and never act on them. It is called self restraint! Some people actually have it, hence why I am acknowledging the feelings I have (to myself) and want to turn them elsewhere.

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MashedSpud · 06/09/2019 13:23

Can you do the hobby with others or alone?

I’d avoid him. Your crush could cause a whole load of trouble and cost you friendships.

Marshamello · 06/09/2019 13:26

If you are questioning his intentions and don't know either way then it's dodgy as fuck. He's a wrong-un for sure.

BrightonRox · 06/09/2019 13:40

@MashedSpud yes, I can do the hobby with others and put even more distance between us. As I've said above to a PP, I do have a whole lot of self restraint and have no intention, so I don't need to be lectured on about how things could go. I've been the cheated on wife.

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crappyday2018 · 06/09/2019 13:40

OP it might be worth considering some of the paid dating sites. I've not used them myself but you might find there are less weirdos and timeswasters. I mean there will be some I'm sure but you would think if they are paying, they will be more serious about meeting someone.
I would avoid the Tinders and Plenty of Fish type ones if I was you. I have a reasonably thick skin but they can get me down at times too.

BrightonRox · 06/09/2019 13:48

@Marshamello yes, it probably does sound dodgy as fuck. But I've posted on here to offload about the situation. I know what the right course of action is.

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BrightonRox · 06/09/2019 13:49

@crappyday2018 thank you, I'd be happy to look into the paid dating sites rather than the others.

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chickenyhead · 06/09/2019 14:00

Hi OP

I too think his behaviour is somewhat predatory. Cancelling going on a trip because you wont be there is hugely flirtatious ffs...I.e he was going to go in order to see OP!

chickenyhead · 06/09/2019 14:02

Internet dating is a nightmare. RL is always better IMHO

it is still very early on to be honest. I have been free of abuse for longer, but nowhere near ready yet. But only you can judge what you need.

Xx

BrightonRox · 06/09/2019 14:08

@chickenyhead Thank you..yes, looking from the outside it does seem predatory. He knows what I have been through. It doesn't sound great, does it? It's good to get other people's perspective on this.

Yes, you are right it could be too early for me to be looking, although I am tempted by the paid dating websites rather than Tinder etc. I'm not going to do it right away as I think I need time to reflect about everything. I just don't want to be alone forever.

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chickenyhead · 06/09/2019 14:16

You will not be alone forever. You have a great social circle and many friends. Your life is active and you are a catch, not some married man's vulnerable conquest.

You will find a decent partner once you have built up your boundaries and worked out who you are and what behaviour you will not tolerate. Until then you are vulnerable.

You are fierce.

Online knocked my confidence, but maybe a few dates here and there is what you need to remind yourself that the whole world doesn't see you the way your ex did

BrightonRox · 06/09/2019 14:26

@chickenyhead That means a lot, thank you so much. Outwardly I can come across as confident and assertive, but inside I know I have areas to build upon. I've had counselling this year which has helped me see I am worth a lot more than my ex thought of me.

Now I feel silly about this male friend as posting has made me realise he's not actually being a friend to me like others are. I'm actually feeling quite cross about it. It's what I need.

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chickenyhead · 06/09/2019 14:28

Me too Flowers

You deserve the best and you will find it
X

deydododatdodontdeydo · 06/09/2019 16:22

I'm not pursuing him at all. It is possible to have feelings for someone and never act on them. It is called self restraint!

Sorry if my post came across as harsh, I didn't mean to imply you were chasing him and should stop.
I just meant, forget about him, it's not going to amount to anything. You know it, so put him out of your mind.

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