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Can't make DH understand the hurt re: his DPs

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alonelygoatherd · 05/09/2019 23:04

I'm really struggling with my DH at the moment. We used to get on well with his DPs, although his DM has always been very controlling. It all came to a head one weekend away and resulted in a heated argument. MIL was tipsy and in a provoking mood and kept making sly, then gradually overt digs at me. It resulted in me telling her she was out of order and being blinkered, and then she called me various names and made lots of harsh comments that I'd rather not repeat in full. One of the lighter insults was that I was taking advantage of her DS by taking mat leave (DD was under 6m old and I was on good mat pay). My DH stepped in when his DF began to get physically intimidating.

I found it very difficult to forgive my DH for that night. I spent hours awake worrying, crying and holding our DD who had been sleeping in the next room but luckily didn't wake. It feels pathetic to admit, but I was on my period and was too scared to use the bathroom to change my sanitary wear in case they heard and started on me again as the bathroom was next to the bedroom they were using. He left me to go sit on the bed with his DPs who asked him such things as "are you okay" and "why do you love her". To this day he maintains there was nothing wrong in them asking this as they just wanted to know and the questions didn't cast any shade on me.

The next day I apologised for anything I said in the heat of the moment that was harsh, but his DPs wouldn't acknowledge. His DB starting texting saying their DM was complaining of chest pains after what had happened, etc. His DB totally cut me out of every aspect of his life.

Fast forward a few years and it is as if I don't exist. We have maintained sending Christmas/birthday cards to them but they ignore mine or don't send a Christmas card if it involves writing my name. When I was pregnant with our second child, I had to go in for an emergency c-section. They expected to be kept informed but passed on no well wishes to me and then sent a new baby card which obviously didn't mention my name. It's like I'm dead.

I said to DH that if he wants to maintain a relationship then that's up to him, but if they've never apologised to me or made any effort with me then I don't want to be involved. I've let him take our DD and DS to see them on a few occasions. It makes me sad to think of them together without me, as if I don't exist,but I don't want to be the lesser person. DH won't talk about them to me and when he does it's always with a sad face. Occasionally when we argue this gets brought up. Such as a birthday and no card, etc. I can't understand that he doesn't get angry on my behalf that they pretend I don't exist. I say to him that they have so little involvement with the DC, but he says that's his fault because he doesn't take them to see them too often and that they haven't apologised as he told them to leave it at the time of the event. I've explained that that really hurts because it implies that it's my fault as he stays with me and the DC, and surely they could make the effort to apologise or make some contact as they aren't children. Even he agrees that they were very much in the wrong that night, but it doesn't seem to bother him that they are happy to have a relationship with him and the DC which pretends I'm not here.

I feel so unimportant to him and feel that we will never move on because he just doesn't understand. I don't know how to explain how it all makes me feel. I can't even cry because I'm just so resigned about it. If I ever bring it up he just says "oh here we go, how do you bring it round to this" and calls me childish. He becomes very patronising and goads me until I say something stupid and then he tells me how immature I am. This is something he always does in disagreements, needles away until I say something I regret, then crows that I'm so childish and says it's not worth talking to me. He's also the master of the black mood which will put me on edge all day if things don't go the way he wants them to go.

I just don't know what to say to him. I just want to be treated like the woman he loves and has built a life with, rather than someone who he criticises if I don't do things the way he thinks I should do them. I think the disagreement with his DPs just highlights how he seems to not understand me or put me first.

Sorry for the length, I just needed to vent I think. I feel so trapped in this stupid cycle.

OP posts:
justilou1 · 01/11/2019 10:40

I think I would simply disappear for the weekend with the kids and not tell him where you are. See how he enjoys life without you for a bit. No warnings, no explanations.... just go. (Not to an obvious family member, either.... let him worry.)

TarMcAdam · 01/11/2019 10:46

His mother wishes him a happy valentine's Day and that's their tradition?

Hmm.

To me that's downright weird.

And suggests the mother, in spite of having a partner, sees her son/s as substitute partners & is territorial about them in an appropriate way.

She sounds like a sociopath or narcissist.

She certainly has everyone in the household dancing to her tune.

Your DH has clearly been raised (brain washed) into this and is conditioned to the point that he can't escape.

You're entitled to maternity leave after having a baby - regardless of the financial ins and outs ... How dare she question or comment in that. Totally invasive and inappropriate. And the fact that you were even on good maternity pay makes it doubly inappropriate. But it's bone if her business anyway and she sounds over involved, beaky, and brass necked.

She/they are interfering in your marriage in a way they shouldn't and you'd husband is too brainwashed and weak to stop them.

Disgraceful situation with your child too - I wouldn't even let them have the privilege of seeing them when they exclude (have made it impossible for) the childs mum to be there and participate.

Their behaviour when she understandably upset and annoyed you - questioning him, trying to put a wedge between you two, refusing to apologise, isolating you ... Deeply weird dybamic; sounds like they're one if those creepy, overly involved, codependent families where those who marry in are always on the outside - necessary for children - but always criticised and excluded from the inner circle.

Sorry but I really doubt you're going to be able to wake your DH up and extract him from this unhealthy dynamic he's been raised in. Sounds like mil is kingpin, enabled by fil.

Your could try get him (of both of you) to have some counselling about how the schism has come about - and hopefully the counsellor will realise his dm is a narc and that they're interfering, controlling parents .... But you'd have to get him there. And it may not work.

TarMcAdam · 01/11/2019 10:50

Sorry back on the valentine's thing - my parents have never wished me a happy valentine's Day - because valentine's Day is a romantic day for lovers, partners, couples etc. Couples get each other gifts and cards and express their (romantic) love and affection.

Was st valentine not sainted because he performed marriage ceremonies for lovers/couples.

It's just fkg weird.

EKGEMS · 01/11/2019 10:59

If he's your "best friend" and behaves like that (lying to you and emotionally bullying you) then you need better friends

alonelygoatherd · 01/11/2019 11:12

@TarMcAdam Your post make me laugh - it IS weird! Maybe not for a tween, but certainly for a man pushing 40!

@EKGEMS In what way is he emotionally bullying me? I just think maybe I'm unreasonable in not accepting that he wants contact. I don't know. I sound pathetic!

EKGEMS · 01/11/2019 11:15

I feel the way he goads you in your arguments is bullying like he's blaming you and upset with you for the rift with his parents in my opinion sorry if my post was hard to understand

alonelygoatherd · 01/11/2019 11:31

@EKGEMS thank you. I feel a oppressed sometimes in discussions, but then I feel like it's my fault. I don't know how to express it any better! DH says it's human nature to manipulate in arguments. I agree to an extent.

Lockshunkugel · 01/11/2019 12:27

The question you need to ask your DH is how will he feel when your DCs ask him why granny is always so nasty about mummy? By insulting you, his parents are insulting the children (because they are 50% you). How would he feel if your family were so horrible to him? Will he care if your children start repeating insults to you? Your children will soon be old enough to understand what is happening and they will be damaged by it.

Sallycinammonbangsthedruminthe · 01/11/2019 13:02

OP ... I married my husband ..Not his parents. I give them not a second thought ever.They most likely feel the same about me. I play no part in their lives nor wish to do so.I never ever make my husband feel bad about maintaining a relationship with them though.Its not his fault we don't get on.We have our family...thats all I focus on...when he sees them thats all good as long as I am not expected to ....they get him to themselves once in a while and it seems enough for them ...You can;t force them to be decent so leave them in the past and enjoy your life together...

Sallycinammonbangsthedruminthe · 01/11/2019 13:07

If your kids are young too they will grow up with going to see grandma with daddy as normal without mummy. Should they ever try to draw your kids in though then they don;t go.My daughter sees her granny and grandad and loves them..she also loves going on a special trip on her own with daddy,thats fine.When she once was asked what was mummy doing she responded with having some peace! She wasnt ever to my knowledge asked again!

alonelygoatherd · 01/11/2019 14:10

@Sallycinammonbangsthedruminthe it's good to know that it can work Smile

ScreamingLadySutch · 01/11/2019 20:59

Please don't be angry and disappointed with your husband. He has had a LIFETIME (so has his DB) of conditioning that 'Mother will destroy if she doesn't get her own way'.

There is only one person you can control, OP, and that is you. Be kind, be graceful and feel sorry for this deeply toxic people who have no idea how nice life can be if you treat other people kindly, and with love.

Don't pressurise your DH to change. He is stuck in the middle. They are toxic and WILL NEVER CHANGE - and he loves you.

So allow them to be free to do whatever it is they need to do. Pretend you don't exist? Fine. As long as you act with kindness and integrity OP. Live your life to the full, with your friends and your own family, you don't need the validation of toxic, sad people.

Just love your DH, treat him kindly and respectfully and give up the fantasy that your PIL will ever 'get it' or change.

Al Anon is a really good free resource on learning how to let go, look after self, NOT REACT and treat others respectfully however they are behaving.

justilou1 · 03/11/2019 08:18

Oh for goodness sake! That’s the worst advice ever! Of course OP can feel disappointed and pissed off if her DP has actively lied to her.

category12 · 03/11/2019 08:43

OP, the tactics your dh uses on you are emotionally abusive: the sly goading, living under the shadow of his moods, etc.

SkySmiler · 03/11/2019 10:12

His father got physically intimidating?? Agreed your DH is emotionally abusive....

alonelygoatherd · 03/11/2019 11:43

Thanks all. He's still being very apologetic at the moment, though snapping about other general household bits that frustrate him which pisses me off tbh. The dog jumped up and tried to take his bread off the table last night and he snapped "for God's sake" and flung the bread down and across the table in temper. I left the room saying I didn't want to sit with him in that mood but he following me out saying he wanted my company.

I can't see his apologies lasting. I reckon he'll be back to being on the defensive about it soon enough and saying that he's married to me so he's made his choice. The look in his eyes when he's like that is so like his mother!

alonelygoatherd · 03/11/2019 11:54

@SkySmiler yes, he sort of stomped towards me all aggressively. DH said he's never seen him like that before and that it's very out of character and he wouldn't have done anything Confused

Blushingm · 03/11/2019 15:27

They sound exactly like my ex ils- even down to sending cards and purposely not putting my name on - they told ex DJ that as far as they were concerned I didn't exist. Ex dh never once told them it wasn't ok - they were the main reason for our divorce

justilou1 · 03/11/2019 23:04

My MIL does this, and my DH “doesn’t notice”..... but my kids do, and they fucking loathe the witch.

SkySmiler · 05/11/2019 12:39

As is so often said on here, u have a DH problem sadly...

BumbleBeee69 · 05/11/2019 12:46

OP you played right into his parents hands. They have everything they wanted all along... Their SON back, and your Children, excluding YOU.

I would not be allowing my Children to visit such vile nasty grandparents, period.

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