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How would you view this event? (trigger warning: sa)

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Floomph · 05/09/2019 20:12

I'm just interested in opinions really. I am mulling over lots of difficult stuff from the past which happened a few years ago and it would help to know how other people interpret one particular incident.

I went on a date with a man during a very vulnerable point in my life. Long story short, we ended up sitting in his car kissing. We'd just met and had a drink in the bar at this point. He was repeatedly trying to put his fingers inside me. I kept stopping him and telling him no and he kept doing it. I don't have much trouble in saying that is assault. I was clear about saying no, he kept doing it.

I didn't want to see him again (!) but a week later I ended up inviting him to mine. As I said, this was an exceptionally vulnerable point in my life. I suppose I wanted some affection and it didn't matter where that came from at that point even if I was at risk of harm (yes I'm in therapy working through lots of this and I don't put myself in these situations now)

Anyway, he came over, we ended up going upstairs. I was consenting to having sex with him in the sense I willingly went upstairs with him and wanted to sleep with him. Very quickly he was being extremely rough with me. He didn't establish whether I was into that, he just got on with it. He was just rough to the point of being violent to be honest. I froze. I wanted him to stop as soon as I realised what was happening but I didn't say anything because I was in shock. I couldn't think straight. He was hurting me a lot. I was struggling to walk for a good three days after this event because my legs/vagina/pelvis felt so stiff and bruised and it was over a week before everything stopped hurting. I had bruises on my arms and thumbprints on my face as I remember it.

Obviously this was not a decent human being. I didn't see him again after that, I was very clear about telling him he was never to contact me again. I think if you are into (very) rough sex you do need to establish explicit consent. So in that sense it was vile of him. But I had consented to sex and I didn't verbally tell him to stop or say no so it wasn't rape.

I'm not needing to know how a court of law would interpret it as it's irrelevant. I'm just interested to know how other people interpret it personally. Would you look at it as assault or just a bad sexual experience? I'm not sure why it matters to me given I am clear he behaved very badly but somehow it does.

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NewMe2019 · 05/09/2019 22:28

I think if you went willing upstairs, consented to sex and didn't actually tell him not to be so rough, it's bad sex. You can't say it was assault.

Bigmango · 05/09/2019 22:38

You’re right - if you are into sex like that, then you should get consent first. That is not what people are excepting when they agree to have sex. He obviously got off on crossing consent lines as evidenced by his previous behaviour. My guess is he knew full well you were not enjoying it and he was getting off on it. Gross, vile, not assault in the eyes of the law but you and he both knew it was. I’m sorry Flowers

Bitchfeatures · 05/09/2019 22:46

I think it would depend on if you asked him to calm down with the roughness, if you did, and he didn't calm it, then yes definitely assault. But if you didn't say anything, then he likely thought you was ok with it, so I would chalk it up to a bad experience.
He sounds like such a dick, I'm glad you told him where to go!

HillRunner · 06/09/2019 07:33

Whether or not it counts as 'rape' is one thing, but he physically assaulted you. Having sex with someone does not mean you consent to physical harm or to being hit etc.

HillRunner · 06/09/2019 07:37

And someone isn't allowed to hit you/hurt you just because you haven't told them not to. Quite the opposite.

If a friend of yours suddenly started roughly hurting you while you were having drinks, it wouldn't be ok just because you haven't told them not to. The fact that it's sex thats happening shouldn't change that.

Borderterrierpuppy · 06/09/2019 07:42

I completely class that as sexual assault.
I am so sorry this happened to you.
You could go and have a chat with someone, it might help you with moving forward xx

Floomph · 06/09/2019 21:33

Thank you very much. It helps to get some other perspectives. I think it really does boil down to when I think about this, do I label it as assault or not. It seems to be important to my brain to know how to describe it accurately.

And it's all very well saying did I ask him to calm it down but I think if you're lying there in shock, you can't. Also saying to someone who's being aggressive that you don't like what they're doing is pretty impossible. You have to confront the possibility they just won't listen, which is frightening.

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Musti · 06/09/2019 23:38

Absolutely sexual assault. Sounds horrific - what a vile sadist

category12 · 07/09/2019 00:34

I agree with Bigmango.

FlyingOink · 07/09/2019 02:07

There's no way he did that without knowing he needed to get specific consent first. He just didn't want to run the risk of you saying no so he didn't bother asking.
It's sexual assault at least. Pic to make a point.

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