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Not sure what I want from this... messed up childhood (very long- sorry)

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ConfusedGirl32 · 03/09/2019 13:31

Apologises for the very long post but I want to try and get in as much detail in as possible as I need an outsiders prospective. Hopefully it’s not too jumbled either. I have spoken to my sister before posting to make sure she’s happy for me to post these details. I signed up today to post this after reading lots of Mumsnet as none member. I did post in 30 days only this morning but no response.

The reason for me posting this now is because my Aunt (Mums sister) said to me last week “Why didn’t you tell anyone?” She is one of the nicest people I know but at that moment, it felt like an attack even though though I knew it would never have been meant like that. She has since apologised a few times after that for upsetting me.

I’m the eldest child of 4 and grew up in an abusive household. I watched my mum go from one abusive relationship and straight into another. I remember a lot from my childhood.. more than what I want too. Recent revelations have brought up a lot of built up resentment that I thought I had buried and I’m not sure where to go from here or how to handle it.

For background....

One of my earliest childhood memories is listening to my mum being beaten by her husband (My stepdad although I didn’t know this at the time. I didn’t find out until before my 11th birthday. He’s also not my brothers real father- he doesn’t know this even to this day. I found this information out from a family member when I was 16/17yrs) It wasn’t the first time and certainly wasn’t the last. I’m not sure how old I would have been at this time but I think it was before my sister was born so I would have been 5-6yrs old at the time, possibly younger. My brother is 22 months younger than me. It was in the middle of the night, seemed to go on for hours. He eventually left our house and she followed him out into the street. I think he may have hit her again going by the crying but I didn’t actually see it. She had tried to phone the police but must have hung up. I remember telling my brother to answer the phone while I had to go out into the street and help her up on the ground and support her back into the house. She took the phone from my brother and we went back to bed. I don’t remember what happened after that. They eventually split when my sister was around a year old (can’t remember the exact time)

She met her partner not long after this (again, I can’t remember the exact times) He seemed nice at first and my mum seemed happy. We moved to a bigger house and he moved in with us. She then fell pregnant with my youngest sibling. Things changed, he became abusive- emotionally, financially and physically and god knows what else. My mum wasn’t around much, she had to work a lot. It seemed like she was a single parent of 4 children whilst in a relationship. He would be looking after us while mum was working.. well he was meant to be.

During this time, he started to abuse my little sister. She would have been around 3-4 years of age (I would have been 9/10yrs) The following abuse happened to her: 1) locking her in the built in wardrobes and telling her she wasn’t allowed out until she peed herself. She would also have to close the door herself and he would slam it shut on her fingers. 2) telling her she hadn’t washed shampoo out of her properly and holding her head under the water longer than necessary. She told me she felt like she was drowning. 3) wrapping her in a quilt and throwing her down the stairs. 4) He had woken her up on night, very dark but not late so must have been winter, took her out into the garden and threw her into a patch of old brambles/ nettles.

I never actually witnessed any of these incidents but did see and deal with the back end of two. 1) I had gone looking for after sorting lunch- She wouldn’t come out of the wardrobe. She wasn’t crying but very on edge and adamant she couldn’t come out until she had wet herself. She had her knickers around her knees. He wasn’t in the bedroom but must have somewhere else in the house because a short time later she came downstairs. I can’t remember if he was with her but he must have been for her to come out. 2) The night with her being pushed into the brambles, I came into the kitchen as she came in the back door with him. I can’t remember why I went into the kitchen.. whether it was because I heard them in the garden or because I went to get a drink or something. She was hysterical, her nightie was all ripped and her body was covered in scratches/ cuts. This was the night I called my mum at work and told her what had happened. My mum has no memory of this phone call and is adamant she never knew of any abuse- back to this part later.

At some point social services came to visit about my sister. I remember we had to help clean the house before they arrived. It was also implied to my brother and I that if we told the social worker anything, my sister would be taken away and we would never see her again. I don’t know whether it was him that said this to us or my mum in a blind panic of them visiting. My brother and I were asked questions by the social worker with my mum and her partner in the room.. my brother and I both lied about how she had received injuries. I don’t think they ever visited again.

The abuse of my sister stopped (not to my mum).. not exactly sure how long we went on for... too long anyway. As soon as my mum would go to work he would go out leaving me to look after my 3 siblings. I would have to prepare meals/ homework/ bath & bed them. This went on until I eventually left the family home at 16 years old. Sometimes he would be in and out with his mates or he just wouldn’t show up until my mum was due home.

To give you a better idea of what kind of low life I’m talking about: 1) He kept drugs in our home.. recently found out that he was washing smack in our home. There would usually be a spoon and foil together in the kitchen & little bags of white powder 2) Him & his mates would sit in the living room and throw blocks of hash into the gas fire to get high.. I didn’t know what it was at the time but remember feeling sick from the smell. 3) There was a gun hidden in the house- we found it! 4) After I moved out at 16, the house was raided by armed police. 5) He eventually dumped my mum whilst he was in prison because he was sleeping with a girl my age.. I was 18yrs old. I remember her coming to my flat crying because he had been cheating on her and because she was my age, my mum wanted to know if I knew her.. I didn’t. She seemed more upset about this than any of the crap he had put her through.

One year we went on a family day trip to celebrate my great aunts birthday- such a great day out. That night I remember my uncle having to come get my siblings and I in the middle of night and having to walk up the street to his stay at his house after my mum and her partner were arrested. She had been drinking when we went to bed, her partner came home and it all kicked off. The neighbours must have called the police- she attacked a policeman. I have many happy memories of my great aunt but this one has always been tainted because of how the day ended.

The atmosphere at home was usually tense.. like walking around on eggshells. My mum would use the belt to hit us if we done wrong. She was always very critical.. especially of me. I always seemed to do something wrong even if it was in fact my brother who was in the wrong. My sister and I have always felt like we have been treated differently to our brothers. She very rarely went to school assembly’s, parents evenings or help us with our homework and things like that. Sometimes food was short- remember the fridge and cupboards being empty or very low... I don’t blame her for this in the slightest, she made do with what she had to work with. We were usually told to go to our bedrooms or out to play if she was around. I remember having to get up a lot in the night to make formula for my youngest sibling because he would just cry and cry sometimes.. I can’t remember how old he was at this point but he was able to stand in the cot. I don’t know whether they deliberately ignored him because they knew me or my brother would sort him out or because they genuinely didn’t hear him/ go into a deep sleep. I was also very rarely allowed to go out with friends. Always missed the school discos etc because I had to stay home to look after my siblings. I remember our school uniform sometimes not being washed even when they were left in the front of washing machine all weekend- I was bullied horrifically at school for being the smelly kid. But she would also shout at me if I tried to wash the uniforms while she was working because her partner would tell her. All of this while trying to study for my GCSE’s. By the time I got to 15/16yrs, I had had enough and started leaving the house and skipping school. I thought I don’t care anymore, they aren’t my responsibility. I hated being at home and simply didn’t want to be there. I remember drinking bleach on several occasions in the hope of hurting myself.. it never did.. just made my pee sting and smell of bleach. I started chatting to and meeting men off internet chat rooms. I knew it wrong and dangerous and that they were using me for sex but I just didn’t care.. if it meant not being at home I would literally do anything. I think I enjoyed having the attention too. One of them even helped me with GCSE revision. I don’t claim to be incident in any of this- I lied a lot, stole money.. I don’t know why, I guess it seemed the easier option at the time but it never was.

Just before my end of year 11 prom (16yrs) I ran away to another county to meet a man. He wasn’t who he made out to be. It was ages before another train was due so I went back to his home anyway. When there, he told me that he was actually a convicted paedophile. I let him have sex with me because I didn’t know if he would just do it anyway. I was scared and ended up being there for 2 nights. I ended up calling home and my uncle came to get me. I told the guy that something had happened at home and that I really needed to go. The day I came home was the day of my prom. I ended up moving in with my granny not long after this, things were too strained to continue being at home. I didn’t want to be there and I don’t think my mum wanted me there either. I started to see a boy almost my age and became pregnant very quickly into the relationship. The day I found out, I was bleeding very heavily and was told it was highly likely I was having a miscarriage. The hospital made a mistake and called my mums house leaving a voicemail with details of my emergency scan for the next day. That night, she came to my granny’s house, kicked off and punched me in the face causing me to bang my head off the wall. My uncle was also there and had to pull her off me. I walked out and walked to my boyfriends alone in the dark. Thankfully I didn’t miscarry and went on to have my son. That NYE (around 3 months pregnant) she got drunk and went for me again. My boyfriend and uncle both intervened and she was made to leave. I didn’t speak to her for a few months after this. I could have happily never spoken to her again but my granny talked me around (emotional blackmailed) She was right though, it wasn’t fair on her being stuck in the middle of her daughter and granddaughter. I asked my mum to be my second birthing partner and I can’t fault her help and support then or when I was diagnosed with PND shortly after birth.

I got my own flat then house at 18yrs, I would see my mum regularly, she would babysit etc. Things got better especially once she separated from her partner.

Over the last 10yrs she supported me and my husband through multiple miscarriages and was my birthing partner for a second time. Again, I can’t fault the support she gave me during these times. The support I received when I found out my husband had a gambling problem 5 years ago from her was amazing.. I wouldn’t still be married if it wasn’t for her help then. But when he had a relapse at the beginning of last year, I called her and all I got was oh dear whatever else was said. I then didn’t hear from her for a few weeks and she’s never mentioned it again. To be fair, neither have I because I just thought what’s the point. He went to counselling and thankfully hasn’t relapsed since.

There is more I can add to this but it’s been a huge emotional struggle to get this far and it’s already taken days to get this far.

Back to now....

My sister is currently very heavily pregnant with her first child. A few months ago, she came to me asking if I remembered my mums partner hurting her. I asked her to tell me everything that she remembered before telling her what I remembered because I didn’t want to put words/ ideas into her head. This all came about from her watching tv, not really paying attention and everything cane flooding back. I believe everything she has said because I believed everything all that time ago.. After all, why would a small child lie about that sort of thing?

As you can imagine she was very distressed. She started to see a counsellor and was going to speak to our mum when she was ready. A few weeks later, we were talking and she said that she just needs to get over it, forget about it and concentrate on her pregnancy. A couple of weeks past and she called me saying she had contacted the police and reported the abuse. It was a shock after our last conversation about it but I couldn’t be prouder of her for being strong enough to report it. She called my mum that day and told her everything- she was very shocked and distressed. My youngest sibling is this mans (if you can call him that) child. My mum kept saying I don’t know what to do about him. She was very concerned about he would react. That night when he came home from work (he still lives at home) She told him everything as soon as he walked in the door in her emotional state. When my sister had specifically told her that there was no need to tell him straight away and that she or I would have happily spoken to him and tried to explain everything first hand from our point of view. Of course his dad would never do something like that- my sister is lying and I’m jumping on the band wagon! He hasn’t spoke to either of us since. He also been giving my mum a really hard time- barely speaking to her etc. It’s coming across as my mum is more concerned about my youngest brother in all this mess when her priority should be supporting my sister. My mum also said to me that night when I told her she’s convinced there was no sexual abuse- that she didn’t know what the police were going to do because it’s not that’s bad!! My youngest brother contacted his dad the night he found out and told him everything- he’s obviously denied it all.

The police have been great in all this. My sister had her statement taken within 2 days of reporting the abuse. My mum was there with her when she made her statement. Afterwards, she said to my sister that he probably wouldn’t remember anyway because he would have been off his face on coke.. so she knew he was doing drugs! I gave mine about a week later. My mum knew what date/ time I was doing it. She never contacted me to find out how it went. Even now, she’s never once asked me what I told the police, what I remember and how I feel about any of this.. even when I have said to her I hate that this has brought up shitty memories from the past. She has completely buried her head in the sand and has handled this so wrong. Her own sister has admitted she wouldn’t have acted in this way if it was one of her children. My mum and sister are now very low contact because of how my mum has behaved. I only really hear from her when she wants something it seems.

I will speak with my mum but she simple doesn’t have it in her to listen. She listens but it doesn’t seem to penetrate if that makes sense. She has a habit of always turning it around to how she feels. Like the night she found out and I spoke to her- she kept saying I can’t believe yous think I would let anyone hurt you... well it happened.. under your nose/ roof! But at the same time, I genuinely don’t believe she would let it happen. He was so manipulative that he would have talked his way out of it. But then I feel like she kept herself in that position to be abused & manipulated... we had no choice but to be stuck with it.

I know I need to talk to her and I will. But I don’t feel I’m ready at the moment. I start to cry- not because I’m upset, but because I get so angry and frustrated and feel it makes me look weak. But also, because I have felt guilty and felt like I should have protected her more. She does say that I’m not to blame and that it wasn’t my job my job to protect her and that I was just a child too.

If you have made it to the end, you deserve medal! I don’t even know what I want out of writing this but writing it down has been a huge help to me over the last few days.

OP posts:
ConfusedGirl32 · 03/09/2019 15:24

Anyone?

OP posts:
Watchingthyme · 03/09/2019 15:50

I think that’s very courageous of you to write it all down. Others may well have more advice to offer.

But I just wanted to offer you support. Many women and men need to bury their heads in the sand about damage that’s happening to them and their children right in front of their face.

It would seem that your mother will never be able to deal with her complicity in this whole damaged mess. I would imagine she just wouldn’t be able to cope with it. People block bad things out. And she may never come round to dealing with it. That’s probably going to be something very hard for you to deal with.

I would suggest counselling for yourself, because even though you seem like the strong one, who’s looked after others and is obviously very supportive, you will also need your own support.

As for your brother, people don’t want to believe, it’s very common and you need to give him time and realise that perhaps he saw a very different childhood to you. I would try and be kind to him.

No one has got out of your family dynamics without being scarred by it in different ways. But well done to you both for having the courage to go to the police.

SingingLily · 03/09/2019 16:13

You've been to hell and back, ConfusedGirl, and so has your poor sister. I am so sorry about what has happened to you both and the pain you are feeling is plain to see.

The one thing your mother got right is that it wasn't your job to protect her at all. It was her job to protect you, and your siblings. She didn't. She failed at the most important thing a mother should do for her children. I'm sorry to tell you this because it's hard to hear but I'm afraid it is true. She could not have failed to see your sister's injuries after being thrown in the brambles and down the stairs. She could not have failed to see how frightened you both were. She could not have failed to know that you ended up making formula for your youngest brother in the middle of the night and that he cried and cried because he was hungry and helpless.

As for her punching you in the face when you were going through such a terrible time, well words fail me.

You have absolutely no need to feel guilty. The guilt is not yours. It's hers. And it's your stepfather's for his actions.

I'm going to post a link below to the Stately Homes thread on my next post. It is for the adult children of toxic parents and there is much wise advice and support to be found on there. Please please consider having a look at it. There are other posters on there who have been through similar horrific upbringings and who are struggling with feelings of guilt and obligation towards the parents who failed them in the way that your mother failed you.

You have been so strong. Your sister is strong too, and brave. 💐

SingingLily · 03/09/2019 16:14

Here you go. You will find support and friends on here, people who understand. Good luck.

But we took you to Stately Homes" August 2019 onwards thread
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/3677536-But-we-took-you-to-Stately-Homes-August-2019-onwards-thread

ConfusedGirl32 · 03/09/2019 16:55

@SingingLily Thank you for the link.. I have had a brief look but will have a proper look tonight. They seem like my kind of people.

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ConfusedGirl32 · 03/09/2019 17:02

@Watchingthyme My youngest brother has always been the golden child. Our childhood has very much been us and then him. He would have been a year old at most when the abuse of my sister happened.

I'm just exhausted by the whole thing now and so is my sister. She has a had a horrid pregnancy with a few more weeks to go and has had to deal with all this too.

All she had to say was "I'm sorry... I let you down" but I can't see that ever happening.

I will speak to my mum eventually or maybe even write to her but I don't think it will change anything. I could easily go no contact with her but even now I think it would unfair to do that without telling her why. How pathetic is that!

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Watchingthyme · 03/09/2019 17:30

Going no contact is a massive step. So I’m not surprised that you can’t really think about that for now.

I doubt she will be able to say sorry. Which will be very tough.

I had a thread where someone recommended CFT therapy. Which I have looked into and will start soon. It might be worth looking into.

And although your brother was/is the golden child remember that burden has its own massive downsides. Neither scapegoat or golden child is a good place to be.

You won’t ever be able to change your mums attitude, because if she had a different attitude she wouldn’t have let this happen to you in the first place.

Mostly be kind to yourself, none of this was any of the children’s fault, even the golden child.

SingingLily · 03/09/2019 17:37

Wise words from Watchingthyme. You don't need to make any decisions right now, ConfusedGirl. You just need to look after yourself, your DP and your children for now and keep giving support to your sister until you feel ready. Thank goodness you have each other.

littlemeitslyn · 03/09/2019 18:27

Waiting 6 minutes then complaining no one replying is a bit much

OmniversealTapdancingTadpole · 03/09/2019 18:50

littlemeitslyn wow you are all heart arnt you? Hmm

ConfusedGirl32 i am deeply sorry that you and your sister have been treated so incredibly badly.

Words fail me

Please get counselling and support, you deserve so much better.

I hope that you and your sister can heal in peace.

Flowers
SingingLily · 03/09/2019 18:57

The difference between 1331 hrs and 1524 hours is 113 minutes, not six, littlemeitslyn. It took a lot of courage for OP to post and every minute must have seemed like an eternity to her.

As PP said, you're all heart. And you can't count for toffee. Shame on you.

ConfusedGirl32 · 03/09/2019 18:57

@littlemeitslyn please tell where I waited 6 minutes then complained no one was responding?

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Watchingthyme · 03/09/2019 19:01

Just don’t get drawn into their comment! Ignore and move along!!
I agree writing something like that and putting it out for the world to see us VERY BRAVE

ConfusedGirl32 · 03/09/2019 19:05

@OmniversealTapdancingTadpole Thank you.. I'm definitely going to look into professional help. My sister has done amazing through this whole ordeal and deal with a tough pregnancy.

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ConfusedGirl32 · 03/09/2019 19:07

@Watchingthyme You're right but at the same time, it's difficult to ignore when when I'm trying to be stronger, learn new habits and stand up for myself

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user764329056 · 03/09/2019 19:10

Ignore nasty comment OP, some people have nothing better to do than be a keyboard bully.

Your life has been unbearably tough, I hope you and your sister find strong support xx

LynetteScavo · 03/09/2019 19:35

@littlemeitslyn Your maths isn't very good.

@ConfusedGirl32 I think that's the longest OP ever! Grin I will admit I missed out reading some of the middle bit.

I can't believe you've come out of that so level headed. Well done. Smile

I think if you reposted a shorter/condensed OP (maybe asking a question) you might get more responses and more support.

poptypingchef · 03/09/2019 19:42

I’m so sorry to hear what you are going through. What has happened to you is both old and fresh so there is lots that will be swirling round your heads. However, you don’t have to have all the answers now, just tackle what feels right to you.

If you choose to go NC, LC or stay in touch it’s important to remember that you are choosing to do what is helping you move forward at the moment and, if you choose, doesn’t mean it’s a permanent relationship.

My sister had a very rocky relationship with her in-laws who treated her terribly. Just after their 20th wedding anniversary, her FIL turned up on the doorstep to admit he had abused his wife’s cousin as a child. ‘‘Tis wasn’t through guilt but because she had confided in her new husband and he had encouraged her to come forward.

It turns out pretty much all the family had known for years and it took for her second husband as an outsider to stand up for her. My BIL’s mum knew and stayed to have 3 more children with him.

He has now been historically charged and is on the register.

Just because it’s a historical crime does not absolve him and you both have the right to be heard.

ConfusedGirl32 · 03/09/2019 19:58

I know my original post was incredibly long and believe me that is the short version. There is so much more I could put into it but these are the things that stick in my mind the most.

So my question is.. if you were in my shoes, would you speak to my mum face to face in the hope that she finally listens and not turn everything to how she feels or give her a letter in the hope that she reads it and maybe even go back to it if need be?

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ConfusedGirl32 · 03/09/2019 20:01

@poptypingchef This is truly horrific but I'm so pleased to read he was charged eventually.

I can't understand why anyone could or would stand by while this happened and claim to not have have a clue

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Watchingthyme · 03/09/2019 20:02

Personally
I would go to a very good therapist. Work on my feelings. Before making either of those two decisions.

And on a personal level. Though I’ve not been in anyway the same situation as you. I tried both of those and neither gave me the outcome I wanted of them. So in short I wish I had done the therapy first

ScabbyHorse · 03/09/2019 20:07

That is horrendous, you poor woman. Absolutely shocking. You mum is lucky you still trust her. I also think finding a decent therapist would be very helpful. Your mum doesn't sound able to see things from your perspective. I hope your sister finds support too.

LostGirl7 · 03/09/2019 20:13

I think you're amazing to have lived through that, and hope that sharing it has helped, even just a little bit. Your resilience shines through, as does your concern and care for your sister. I hope you have/find the love and support you need to lead the life you want and deserve after such a horrendous start. Best wishes.

something2say · 03/09/2019 20:25

Hi confusedgirl I can relate to your situation. My mother would never admit it or change. Therefore my advice to you is to give up on that option.

She's cast you in a role. You had barely any childhood as you had to take care of kids, plus the abuse on top. She treated you differently then, and now.

Sad as it is, give up the idea of her ever 'getting it.'

As a survivor, I blog at elhenderson.co.uk. have a look in case it helps as I've a book out for survivors and theres a massive section on contact options with abusive families and their varying responses.

Take care xxxxx

CassetteTapes · 03/09/2019 20:51

Your mother was unable to meet your needs and often used you to meet her/your siblings needs when you were too young to have that responsibility. It sounds as though you brought yourself up!

My mum is the same, she has an avoidant type of personality where she will ignore a bad situation and defer to a man’s needs rather than advocate for her children. It’s not right. I think they might have become that way from their own childhoods. What do you know about your mum’s childhood, did she have loving parents?

Ultimately you need to protect yourself and your DC, your DC need you to be healthy and if going NC with your mother is the best thing for you then that is absolutely fine. If you are on FB then come and join the group Necessary Family Estrangement. It is very supportive and people there have been through similar, they won’t judge if you go NC or not but will give you lots of empathy.

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