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MIL - I just don't know what to do - update

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Andromeida59 · 27/08/2019 23:36

Hello, all.

I posted on here a couple of weeks ago about MIL and the numerous problems. I just wanted to come back with an update.

After suggestions on here, I started reading about MIL's behaviour. DP and I have talked at length and have agreed that regardless of what happens, we are on the same side.

DP had tried speaking to his DF but I think that went unheard. As a result, DP went to MIL's today and spoke to her at length about her behaviour. She tried numerous tactics (deflection, emotions, twisting words, going off on tangents) but he kept on track and she is now aware of the problem. His DF helped when speaking to MIL and backed up DP.

DP came home emotionally drained but also has said that he hasn't quite realised how manipulative she was. He saw it in full force this evening.

I'm so very proud of him. There haven't been any arguments between us and we've stayed strong. I know this isn't the end of her behaviour as nothing changes overnight but for the first time in a long time, I feel I can breathe. We've been through so much but this was tough.

Part of me is sorry that he's seen MIL as she is but I'm so relieved that this has been done. Thank you all for your advice.

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BoopBoopedooBoo · 27/08/2019 23:52

I don't know if I caught the other thread but this sounds positive. Well done :)

katewhinesalot · 27/08/2019 23:54

I think I read the thread but can't remember. Was it her attitude to you?

Anyway good on dp.

Andromeida59 · 28/08/2019 00:01

It was her constant manipulation, her guilt trips and also the constant digs over everything and always when no one else was around.

This evening she claimed to not remember a certain conversation but then said that my memory was wrong on it. She has claimed that I've banned her from the house (I haven't but just said I need space), she's claimed that I've lied to her. She's also said that I've blocked DP's sister when I haven't.

I'm so proud of the way he's handled things.

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justasking111 · 28/08/2019 00:12

Good news, your OH deserves much praise. It cannot have been easy for him to confront the truth of his mother.

gavisconismyfriend · 28/08/2019 00:26

Well done to you both! It must feel like such a weight has been lifted. Star

Skittlesandbeer · 28/08/2019 01:01

Congrats! It’s perfectly great to give yourselves a mutual pat on the back at this juncture.

But beware. The blowback is yet to come. When manipulative people feel exposed in their behaviour, and a bit backed into a corner (especially when multiple family members back the accusations) they tend to come out fighting. Fighting dirty.

It would be lovely if these situations worked that the unreasonable person took some time to do the necessary inner work, realised that they’d hurt themselves and others, and reacted by apologising and setting healthier goals for future behaviour. I’ve personally never seen that happen, ever.

You know the phrase ‘things will get worse before they get better’? I strongly suspect you’re about to see it in live technicolour. But don’t despair. Get in early by continuing your research, on setting and policing boundaries. Agree with each other which boundaries you will communicate to your MIL (& FIL).

I found that quite restricted boundaries off the bat are best. You can always loosen them (carefully & deliberately) down the track if she sticks to good behaviour.

Another tip is: don’t worry if your boundaries sound a bit silly. Maybe you (& DP) decide that every time she makes a ‘dig’ in conversation, you start a countdown out loud (1,2,3). Once you get to three, the visit ends. Not a dramatic storm out, just a smiley but decisive end. Get up, say goodbye, and leave. Yes, you do it even if it’s Xmas Day. She’ll be counting on you to feel too silly to do it. Show her she’s incorrect. Every single time. Ignore any reactions, including from ‘flying monkeys’. Stay firm, resolute and don’t be tempted to respond. Answer only ‘we told you the boundary and what we’d do if it was stepped over. You/She stepped over it, we did what we said we’d do.’ Like a broken record.

She’ll push back like an increasingly irate toddler. I’ve seen people literally turn purple and spit venom. Like with toddlers, don’t react. Sigh, and remove yourself until they’ve figured out it doesn’t work.

Oh, and be ‘too busy’ if she invites you somewhere (or to something) expensive or remote. I got stuck once with no car, in the middle of nowhere. I’d confirmed my boundary by ‘leaving’ but I had trouble getting far! Another time my toxic relative waited till the middle of a concert to make their move- it was really annoying to leave that time, with what the tix were worth!

Good luck. I can confirm it’s worth it down the track. I find I only need to reconfirm the boundaries every 2 years or so these days, and it doesn’t lead to drama any more. A bit like the way a mum can give her misbehaving child ‘the look’ in the supermarket, because they’ve done all the real work over time at home beforehand.

I won’t lie, this next phase will likely be tough for you both. It’s a process. Celebrate each mini-win, and stay ahead of her games by researching, agreeing boundaries (& consequences) and having each other’s backs. She’ll take advantage of any loophole. Good luck!

justilou1 · 28/08/2019 01:05

Fabulous!!! Now be prepared for the spite. It’s bound to be aimed at you and it will smack DH in the face. She’s going to get nasty. Use your own arsenal in return. (DH, kids, etc.)

Amcor · 28/08/2019 01:22

When MIL was given boundaries she 1. Kept ringing me, leaving messages and acting as if nothing had happened. 2. Realised that I wasn’t falling for it and tried to solicit DH onside. 3. Started a smear campaign that we can never recover from.

Beware.

I suggest you 1. Block her in all media. 2. Have an agreement with your DH that he lets you know of all correspondence. 3. Contact family members that are important to you and cover yourself.

Well done and good luck.

EverTheConundrum · 28/08/2019 02:03

I've read both threads and honestly, I can't see how she manipulated anyone? Little bit overbearing but not to the extent you seemed to be implying it was. Perhaps I read it wrong? Blocking her for more than a day or so just because of one tactless remark (which I agree was incredibly thoughtless and she deserved a good telling off for that) seems a little childish to me. I'd have just given it a day or two at the most to let her calm down and then unblocked her, given that she's your MIL.

What was clear to me is that you don't like your MIL very much and don't like your DP having much to do with her?

Andromeida59 · 28/08/2019 07:42

Thank you for the replies. I am fully expecting things, on her part, to get worse. She is still blocked so she can't contact me. I did say to DP that because of yesterday, she may increase contact with him. She also implied that she might start dropping by unannounced. Whatever happens, the important thing is that we're on the same side and we can get through whatever happens next.

@Evertheconundrum the examples I have given on here have been a small example of the manipulation and nasty remarks that I have experienced over the past 15 years. Due to numerous personal issues, I felt I had to block her for my own mental health. I felt that I had to protect myself.
On the few occasions when I saw her, I had contemplated unlocking her but then she would behave badly and I was reminded why I'd blocked her in the first place.
She isn't someone I'd associate with if it wasn't for DP but I had done my best to build a relationship with her. I'd also helped him to build a relationship with her. In order to not upset their relationship, I didn't tell DP about the way she was treating me. I have repeatedly told him that whilst I don't want her coming to the house, I have no issue with him seeing her.

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justilou1 · 28/08/2019 08:54

Be prepared to not let her past the doormat, OP. Dropping in unannounced is a show of dominance that needs to be killed immediately.

Andromeida59 · 28/08/2019 09:07

Agreed. If she does turn up, I will ask her to leave. Both DP and I are in agreement with this. I just really hope she doesn't.

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justilou1 · 28/08/2019 10:58

So pleased DP and you are in concert, OP... she sounds vile. In my case, she was my mother. Awful, awful woman. I had a list of excuses printed next to my phone and a fake handbag with a set of keys ready to jump and run at all times.

Windydaysuponus · 28/08/2019 11:01

Keep your door locked. You don't have to answer or let her in...
We had a baby gate at the door. Kept most people out!!
Best purchase ever!!

canveyisland · 28/08/2019 11:48

Skittlesandbeer has given good advice. I would perhaps add MIL now working hard on DH's emotions, trying to use money in some way or suddenly becoming 'ill'.

Rehearse things in your mind, OP, like MIL turning up uninvited and how you will deal with the conversation so your mind doesn't fog over when faced with her presence. Although, it could be she avoids you and launches herself at everybody else in the family/friendship group to try to prevail.

Remember, she will never ever change. And in a sense that is to your advantage - once you have seen a person's baseline true character any variation on that is simply done for gain.

justilou1 · 28/08/2019 13:21

Also don’t be surprised if you get middle of the night phone calls from family members claiming she’s been sent to A&E.... it’s about this time that she will develop angina attacks and that will be your fault too.

Andromeida59 · 28/08/2019 14:18

Thank you. I have said to DP that she is likely to start acting out. I've also said that I wouldn't be surprised if she ended up being "ill".

People like this cannot cope with losing control and will try other methods in order to maintain control.

If she turns up, I will just ask her to leave. She'll be getting her kicks out of this by going on at her family.

We don't really have a relationship with DP's side of the family so it's not as destructive as it could be.

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justilou1 · 28/08/2019 14:37

The other relatives may be wheeled out as carrier pigeons if she gets “ill”....

justilou1 · 28/08/2019 14:39

Sorry - posted too soon. These people love an audience! Proof of your absolute hard-heartedness, etc...

Andromeida59 · 28/08/2019 14:49

Agreed. My DP was told that I'd also blocked his sister. I haven't but haven't had a message from her since June last year.

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justasking111 · 28/08/2019 14:51

When my DM turned up at my SIL`s after years of abuse having been blocked every which way my SIL called the police something I could not have done but admired her chutzpah.

justasking111 · 28/08/2019 14:53

We moved house, went ex directory. The phone calls started her friend in the NHS found us for her. So Sky set up a call blocking service for me. Did not stop the letters though which go in the bin unread.

Amcor · 28/08/2019 20:59

Yes we got the “ill” thing. FIL contacted us to announce that MIL (who had been extremely abusive and underhand and when caught announced she would never apologise) was ill because of us.

We ignored them both. 2 months later and Facebook is full of photographs of her smiling and drunk on a cruise. That’s how I’ll she was.

Cantcopewithheranymore · 01/09/2019 17:50

@justasking111 Omg! I hope you reported her friend in the NHS?! Shock

Threedaysaweek2019 · 01/09/2019 18:48

@justasking111, I second reporting her friend in the NHS.
That is unacceptable.

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