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What is wrong with my mother?

29 replies

GinbergsHowl · 25/08/2019 14:51

NCcd for this because it’s very outing but I’m a regular and just looking to canvas opinions (informed or otherwise) on my mother’s behaviour because she leaves me baffled. Is she mentally ill, a bad person, something else?

This will be long because I don’t want to drip-feed and I need to explain the range of her behaviours.

In a nutshell, she’s always lied (big lies: that she’s inherited a house, that she’s got cancer, that she’s had a heart attack) and had some form of drama version of Munchausens - she loves to put me in danger. Example 1) she told my abusive ex that I was having an affair when I actually wasn’t– she did this on multiple occasions and even phoned him after I’d left him (for hitting me, again) to tell him this. Example 2) when I was a teen, we were arguing and she suddenly shrieked and started screaming like I’d attacked her – I was a good three feet away. My stepdad ran in and grabbed me by the throat and pushed me onto the sofa to protect her. She continued to act like a victim.

She’s run up debts in my name. She lies about me to other people. She doesn’t hold onto basic info about me – what my degree is in, what my job is. I’m often amused when people tell me what she’s proudly told them that I do for a living (which is actually less impressive than what I actually do!)

So that sort of thing.

She also tells me that she loves me more than anything, she gets drunk and cries talking about how much she loved me when I was born.

My brother has gone NC to protect his family. She was constantly telling his children that she was sending nice gifts to them and nothing would arrive.

I’ve barely seen her this year but the interactions we’ve had have been so careless on her part. I finally left my abusive partner for good and moved into my own house. I didn’t ask her for any help – I never have, except for one thing. She happened to have a Currys voucher of mine at her house and she lives near to the store (I don’t) so I asked her to go in and order me a washing machine – I told her which model etc. I didn’t have one so was handwashing my clothes. She messed me around for two months not doing this and eventually, about the tenth time of me asking why she hadn’t sorted it she hissed down the phone ‘I AM DOING MY FUCKING BEST!’ Clearly not. She then ordered it but sent it to the wrong house.

It’s like she can’t be bothered to just focus for ten minutes on doing something for me. She literally cannot get it right.

This weekend, she was supposed to come to mine on Friday (haven’t seen her for months) and at 7.30 I texted her to ask where she was. She said she’d text me ‘at 6’ to let me know if she was coming. I said that it was an hour and a half past six. She replied saying that she thought she was coming Saturday night, not tonight (Friday – a day that we’d repeated multiple times in our arranging of the evening). So I said, ‘fine, come tomorrow’. Yesterday afternoon she texted me to say that wouldn’t be coming because she was ‘too hot and struggling’. She’s not overweight or disabled or anything (no offence to those two groups – I just mean she doesn’t have a justification). And anyway, she’d be driving, not running a marathon to get to my house.

So I’m just wondering, wtf is wrong with my mum? Does anybody recognise this type of behaviour? Does it have a name? Is she just a fuck-up?

I could literally continue writing this post for days but I’ll leave it there.

FUUUCCCCKKKKK that was cathartic!!!

Gold stars for everybody that made it through!

Star Star Star

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ClemDanFango · 25/08/2019 15:03

She sounds like a psychotic narc. Take a leaf out of your brothers book OP. You’ve been abused your entire life by this woman.

FogCutter · 25/08/2019 15:05

I'm not sure what is wrong with her and you will probably never know (unless she recognises she has a problem, gets a diagnosis and tells you about it -I'm sure she won't do this though as she probably thinks her behaviour is absolutely normal)

But i strongly suggest going no contact to protect yourself.

blackcat86 · 25/08/2019 15:11

Classic narcissist. She doesn't actually care about you hence the way she has treated you and not recalling the actual details of your life. All she cares about is herself and her bubble where she must be the centre of attention at all costs. It comes from a place of insecurity but is very damaging to those around her as you've seen. You would be wise to follow your brother's lead and go NC.

ShippingNews · 25/08/2019 15:15

My mother was a diagnosed narcissist and no, your mother doesn't sound like that . She sounds like she has some kind of histrionic personality disorder , thriving on drama which she creates to suit her needs.

I'd go no contact and avoid the drama.

TemporaryPermanent · 25/08/2019 15:22

It sounds incredibly hard work.

I spent about 18 months not seeing my father very much to give myself a break and decide what to do. In the end i decided i preferred to be in touch with him. We keep things very light and superficial in our short weekly call, i expect as little as possible from him (basically, that if i arrange to see him that he will be in the house) and at the moment thats ok.

It sounds as if however low the expectations you have, your mother can limbo under them. Just dont expect any better, is all i can say.

TemporaryPermanent · 25/08/2019 15:24

Oh and i dont really think my dad has a label; he's quite a damaged person from childhood. I just have to try to manage the symptoms as they affect me.

CodenameVillanelle · 25/08/2019 15:25

Sounds like a personality disorder. Go NC for your own sanity.

rainbowstardrops · 25/08/2019 15:34

I don't know what's wrong with your mum but there's clearly something wrong!
Unless she admits that she needs help then I don't imagine there's a lot you can do apart from distancing yourself even more.
What has she done to your brother to make him go NC?

BlueBirdGreenFence · 25/08/2019 15:34

My mum acts exactly like that. Down to insinuating that you've hurt her when you haven't! She is diagnosed with a histrionic personality disorder. I'm no contact as she's actually quite dangerous to be around.

GinbergsHowl · 25/08/2019 15:37

What a great way of putting it Temporary - yup, however low the expectations, she'll limbo straight under!

Thanks for all of your replies - incredibly clarifying for me. I would like to goNC but weirdly, I'd feel guilty given that her only other child is not speaking to her. She goes on about how much she loves me and how we are 'best friends' - although we never speak or see each other!

Yes, she is very much in her own bubble. It's just so selfish and lacking in empathy. I suppose my main thing is that i'd like to understand it, even if she never gets help. Which she won't.

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Apileofballyhoo · 25/08/2019 15:38

One day you'll accept that it doesn't actually matter what it is called, what matters is how her behaviour affects you and how you can control that. Hopefully you'll control it by going no contact and getting counselling to help yourself let go of past hurt. Contact with her is just giving her more opportunity to hurt you.

Apileofballyhoo · 25/08/2019 15:39

Sometimes there is no understanding, just acceptance.

GinbergsHowl · 25/08/2019 15:44

Rainbow - she left when I was about 9 and he was about 11. She made zero effort to keep in touch so they had a difficult relationship from that (typical excuse of hers: 'well he never wrote to me!')

Then, as adults, she made no effort with his children. Hardly ever visited and when she did she'd leave almost instantly. She'd ring his children and say that there was a big parcel coming in the post for them, or that she'd visit with a car load of gifts but these things never happened. She did it repeatedly - actually habitually. She does this to me but i don't listen. Unfortunately my nieces and nephew believed her time and time again. Especially because she'd go into such detail about what she'd bought them.

Also, when she'd speak to my brother, she'd talk, talk, talk about herself and ask him nothing about him.

It's like she's got no social skills, or empathy.

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GinbergsHowl · 25/08/2019 15:47

Bluebird and Shipping - i'll look that up now, thanks for the suggestion. I've never heard of it.

My brother is in therapy and it'd be useful I think, to start looking into these terms. Might help if I find some links to send him.

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QuickThinkOfAName · 25/08/2019 15:51

I don't know much about it but I'd read up on the FOG stuff. It sounds like you're very much in the obligation to stay in contact as her daughter.

However. You have to look at what she's done to you. I don't think I could get past her ringing your violent ex to fabricate lies about you having an affair. At best it's dangerously idiotic. At worst it's a deliberate attempt to put you in danger.

If this was a friend would you stay in touch? Or is it purely the fact that she's your birth mother?

I say birth mother as she's not exhibiting any maternal instincts whatsoever. She's not a mum to you.

Outsomnia · 25/08/2019 15:52

I would choose not to visit or be in her company anymore. Far too stressful and I feel so much for you.

Send a card once a month or some other form of non face to face contact. Do this for yourself, not her. At least you will know that you have tried.

Some situations are irretrievable, sadly. So look after yourself.

GinbergsHowl · 25/08/2019 15:54

Clem absolutely. And I also blame her for my relationship with an abusive man. He seemed to care about me, to 'see me' so i ran straight into it. I believe that the red flags would've been more obvious,as they appeared, if my boundaries had been taught more effectively to me.

The abuse is beyond the abuse, iyswim

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billy1966 · 25/08/2019 15:58

Whatever is wrong with her OP, she sounds like a poisonous influence in your life.

Leave her and guilt behind.

Move on.

cacklingmags · 25/08/2019 16:00

Sounds like a personality disorder - very unlikely to change and for all her professions of love she does not sound as though she cares much about you. I would stick to cards and the occasional phone call. However, if you have kids you will probably have to go NC.

Smotheroffive · 25/08/2019 16:04

Sorry for what you're goi g through with your DM, OP.

It's sounding like its impossible to relate well to her, best to step back if it brings problems for you. Step back until you reach the point you are happy with, and if that doesn't work step back further.

Ignore online diagnostics though, they wont help any and are most likely to be wrong.

Just deal with the behaviour you have in front of you. Call it out, get verbal, continually feed it back, and make clear how it affects you, and that you are now coming to an end of being able to deal with it.

She does sound extremely wrapped in her own world, coming from a place of severe insecurity, and unable to take in and retain any more. She can try to get help, or not, but you need to look out for you.

It's a hard thing to do to step away from any family or close friends, so make sure you do it in a way that is protectice of you,and knowibg that you couldnt do any more and were clear about this, then you can't be blaming yourself for any of it.

I am thinking she probably would pour blame for any backing away by you,so you need to be prepared for this and know for yourself that you did all you could. Flowers

PickAChew · 25/08/2019 16:05

Whether there is anything "wrong" with her barely matters. What does matter is that she behaves like an absolute arsehole and it is beyond time for you to protect yourself from that. Your ex hasn't been the obkybabuser in your life.

PickAChew · 25/08/2019 16:05

Only abuser

Smotheroffive · 25/08/2019 16:06

She may very well hold feelings of love for you, but she can't 'do' love because of her own limits.

GinbergsHowl · 25/08/2019 16:28

It certainly is impossible to relate to her - trying to figure out her motivations and influences occupies quite a bit of my time. I wondered if it was because she grew up in a strict religious home. But then her siblings arent like that. I wondered if it was mental illness or personality disorder and then after this weekend and the washing machine nonsense, I started wondering whether she had some sort of premature dementia (she's only in her mid fifties).

Mostly,I believe that she has a severe personality disorder. And there's nothing I can do about that so maybe I should seriously consider backing award and sending cards. Seems like a good idea.

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WhatTiggersDoBest · 25/08/2019 16:45

Histrionic Personality Disorder?? www.webmd.com/mental-health/histrionic-personality-disorder
Often confused with Borderline Personality Disorder. There's a bunch of Cluster-B disorders it could be, though.
Sounds a lot like my mother. Went no-contact and enjoyed a decade of peace before she died.