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Ex partner ranting about son and my supposed encouraging him to be gay/wear make-up!

15 replies

mostlyhappy4 · 18/08/2019 01:35

I have been a regular mumsnetter for many years but have name changed several times. My ex and I have two children, both have autism. We split up 7 years ago as I feel he was verbally abusive and had a very bad temper (never actually physically violent but would shout and call me horrendous names or not talk to me for days/weeks/3 months at a time as punishment for some supposed crime I’d committed). It was through reaching out on here that I was finally helped to understand what a shit relationship we had and that it was never going to improve. Ex was very angry at my ending the relationship and over the years since we split, he has been very difficult to co-parent with at times, causing rows and accusing me of all sorts/sending extremely nasty emails, etc. I have learnt to ignore and ‘grey rock’ him mostly over past few years. I’m with an absolutely lovely man now and my boys are fantastic.

Last week, I got an email from ex (children had gone to his that afternoon to stay for one week as we’re splitting the summer hols in that way). He basically accused me of encouraging our son (aged 11 and very ‘young’ emotionally as a trait of his autism/adhd) to be gay. Son has recently had year 6 sex education at school, where he learnt about gay relationships as well as heterosexual. He also watched me putting on my make-up and said he might like to wear make up when he is older. I am fairly liberal and am completely comfortable with people being gay/straight – I want my children to be happy and comfortable. However, I haven’t in any way encouraged him to think about being gay – to be honest they are so young, it hasn’t really been discussed much. However, this is the email conversation between my ex and I:

Ex: If you want to stay on the right side of me and keep things civil between us I would stop encouraging (son 1) to wear fucking makeup. He’s a boy not a girl and don’t try to turn him into a one. I don’t know what you’re playing at but don’t ever do that again
Me: I have no idea what you are talking about???!!!!
Ex: You do and I’m telling you, don’t start encouraging him to ‘explore his sexuality’ or whatever right on shit you think makes you look good. Don’t dare try to make him into your gay son because I will not stand by and let that happen. Do you want him to be bullied in secondary school or smthg? Because you’re going the right way about it. On top of his autism the last thing he needs is his mother encouraging him to be transgender or some kind of fucking nonsense like that. Don’t do it or you will see the very worst side of me.
Me: I have no idea what you're referring to about make-up and being gay. Whatever you feel concerned about., we can meet and you can explain this to me

I actually didn’t know where this had all come from at the time, but afterwards I remembered bits of conversation my son and I had had, along with the sex ed stuff from school. When they came back to me the following week, my son told me about this “two-hour discussion that we had which ended in Dad telling me that I will not be gay, I will be heterosexual and that’s an end to it!”
I am so annoyed with him for being such a complete knob – telling the kids what sex they will be attracted to when they’re older (they are bloody 11 and 9) and also the threats from him. I usually ignore his angry emails, but I feel I need to do something about this as it’s already causing arguments between the boys – my youngest teasing my older son about being ‘a girl’, etc.

I have to say, I don’t particularly want my son to wear make-up – that’s another thing that would make him stand out and potentially get bullied (he’s a bit eccentric and has had some problems with being picked on by peers at times) but I’m pretty sure this was just his joke.
My ex and I are very different and do have different parenting styles. I do not expect him to agree with me on everything. Generally, my feeling is that the parent who has them at the time is in charge. However, I really don’t want these homophobic views to prevail. If I try to talk to ex, I’m pretty sure he will just shout at me. What should I do? I’d be grateful for suggestions.

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Mileysmiley · 18/08/2019 01:40

Oh dear! He sounds very homophobic. I doubt he will listen to you because a lot of men are like him. I am ashamed to say my own husband is the same and he once picked me up from the hairdressers and I nearly died of embarrassment because he made a remark to my gay hairdresser which can't repeat on here ... but it was pretty bad....

quirkycutekitch · 18/08/2019 04:57

“Dear DH if you want to stay on the right side of me then stop encouraging our son’s to be homophobic.”

Sounds like he’s more likely to get bullied by his dad than his peers.

quirkycutekitch · 18/08/2019 04:59

Sorry Ex not DH 🙈

SimonJT · 18/08/2019 05:31

He sounds like a nasty little bully, in fact he sounds like the sort of person who would have bullied vulnerable children like your son at school.

The last bit of his email does sound quite threatening, I would avoid meeting him unless it’s something public after reading what he has said.

On a lighter note feel free to tell him that I was a semi-professional rugby player, I can down a pint in 10 seconds, I was a prolific pissed fighter (obviously not proud of that), I can deadlift 110kg, and I’ve never worn makeup, womens clothes, minced, plucked my eyebrows, acted like a bitch or suffered from limp wrists etc and I’m still gay. So he may need to rethink his gaydar, because his idea of what makes a man is what wimps generally think, bless him.

Windmillwhirl · 18/08/2019 06:42

That's very threatening. I'd actually get legal advice over that. If your son is experimenting your ex is only going to get worse when he witnesses it.

Well done on leaving him. He sounds absolutely horrendous.

category12 · 18/08/2019 06:53

I don't know what you can do about your ex, but I'd have a conversation with the boys about homophobia.

Perhaps speak to a solicitor about the threatening message.

LizzieSiddal · 18/08/2019 07:27

Does he threaten you about other things?

The homophobia is dreadful but can be counteracted by talking to your son and telling him his father has opinions which are not inkeeping with right minded people.(trying to be polite there).

The threats to you are quite different and you should speak to a solicitor.

MollyButton · 18/08/2019 09:06

I would get that recorded - maybe get legal advice? But I probably would phone Social services and ask their advice (because I would want something recorded officially).

mojitoextrarum · 18/08/2019 09:28

As someone who didn't come out as bisexual for 28 years, because they were brought up with homophobic parents, this makes me very sad and very angry.

What he's saying is completely vile and incredibly damaging. Hearing that kind of disgusting, bigoted language will no doubt be having a very negative impact on your ds. Regardless of his sexuality.

I would definitely seek legal advice for the threats.

Thank goodness you left him.

Musti · 18/08/2019 09:42

My ex isn't as extreme as your ex, but he would say offensive things about gay or transgender etc people when it came up on TV in front of the children and I would always discuss it with him and the children there and then. He never changed his views, but my children know my views.

So I would ignore your ex as it doesn't sound like you'll ever convince him, and continue teaching your children about acceptance and bigotry. Make sure they understand they can be whoever they want and that homophobia etc should never be accepted.

onemorecupofcoffeefortheroad · 18/08/2019 09:47

I agree with all of the above posters and only want to add that firstly, your ex is still bullying you and you are responding defensively giving him the upper hand.
I would not engage in any conversation with him about anything while he is acting in this way.

I would say "I am happy to discuss this matter with you in a civil way but will not discuss anything with you until you drop the threats."

I would then challenge him on his homophobia. He is putting you on the back foot and you are responding by defending yourself. Fight fire with fire - challenge him - put him in the defensive position.

I would tell him that understanding gay relationships is something the school encourages - that it's part of education policy and if he has a problem he should take it up with them not you.

I would also say you will discuss whatever you want to with your sons and will not be dictated to by him.

Finally, I would be having very stern words with your other son about teasing your DS. Teasing should never be tolerated.

Whatwouldbigfatfannydo · 18/08/2019 09:58

Honestly that screams a safeguarding issue to me. Ex is clearly a homophobic bully threatening violence. DS is a child who is rightly exploring different things which may make him happy (or not).
I wouldn't expose my child to such a dangerous bully who obviously thinks his DC are pawns on which to inflict his coercive and controlling behaviour.

Report it. Police, SS, solicitor, take your pick but don't let this just fizzle out. Don't meet him in person either.

mostlyhappy4 · 18/08/2019 10:43

Thank you so much for responses. I have always encouraged sons to be who they want to be, that me and their dad will always love them and, importantly in this case, I have always expressed the view that being gay, straight, bi, etc is equally good and acceptable and they can live their lives how they choose as long as they're kind to others. It's this kind of 'drippy crap' that ex despises in me and he can't stand that I pass these views on to the boys!!!

I have spoken to my younger son about not teasing and reiterated that out of date, homophobic views are to be ignored. I fear that he is desperate to please his father, though and is showing signs of having his shared views on being 'macho and a man's man' (I do my best to dispell this crap!)

I'm really grateful for replies, I was too bland in my reply to him and he will take this as a 'win' on his part. I need to do something more and will consider reporting (because he has sent many, many other abusive and threatening emails unfortunately). I can ignore him largely, but when it comes to him bullying or trying to fuck up my children, I need to step in and stop it.

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LizzieSiddal · 18/08/2019 11:33

At least you have his threats written down. I really would consider seeing a good solicitor, at least the threats will be logged with them and they can advise you as to what you can do to make him stop threatening and bullying you.

Emerald46 · 18/08/2019 22:48

He sounds horrible. Not a good influence on your children at all and definitely a bully.

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