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Can my ex insist that I work full time?

34 replies

CobraGoose · 31/07/2019 19:56

Hi.

Feeling overwhelmed after a conversation with my ex, part way through a divorce.

So I’m not drip feeding, I’ll start with saying I was advised by a solicitor that I could apply for legal aid as his controlling behaviour amounts to domestic abuse. I didn’t want to do that - as he will find out I’ve got legal aid, work out why, and he will be furious. He is not violent but I am only just admitting to myself, and realising, how psychologically abusive he was and still is.

I have an apt with a womens charity soon, as they are going to provide me - and the children if necessary - with emotional support from this point. He tells them untrue things, and undermines my parenting.

The woman I spoke to on the way phone said that all of his behaviours are typical and are ways of trying to keep power and control.

I have paid our mortgage myself every month since we separated three years ago, and all the bills. He is absolutely furious that I am still in “his” house (his parents put in the deposit but I’ve been told by a solicitor that isn’t relevant)

I was a stay at home mum to 4 DC for 5 years before we split. He was financially abusive but I didn’t know that.

I got a part time admin job as soon as we split up. He does not cover sick days, inset days, attend school events or have the children in the school holidays (he sometimes has a few days or a week but would not let me know in advance so I could arrange things, and he sometimes cancels without much notice).

He has the 3 youngest children every other weekend and on a wed evening, the eldest is with me full time as he refused to stay at his dad’s. He pays me £3 a week more than the CSA rate for the children (but tells other people that he pays a “ridiculous” amount). He has never paid money to me for anything.

Even working three days was tough as my twins were only 3 and were ill a lot from being at nursery, so I had so much sick leave I was put on a trigger at work.

I then did a PGCE full time in this last year , partly so I can be with them in the holidays, and have just finished and got a part time teaching job.

He has stalled on the divorce (telling our young children that I hadn’t signed the divorce papers when, in fact, he had them for four months and hadn’t signed!).

To cut a long story short, he announced to me at handover earlier (I have them until 5pm on ‘his’ day in the holidays) that we are going to mediation to make things fair and that I should be working full time as other women he knows do, and there is no reason I can’t.

He wants me to buy him out of the house and I think it is connected to that, I can’t afford to. It is the only asset we have, with a fair bit of equity in it. He is renting, with his girlfriend.

I cannot see for a moment how I could cope full time - When I say he won’t cover sickness, accidents at school etc, I mean that he won’t even answer the phone.

When the kids get ill, usually the three youngest get it one after the other - and then I get ill too! It will be hard enough part time, plus there are all the early morning drop offs, pick ups and the cost or childcare too. Plus the impact on the children, I am pretty tired and stressed as it is and they don’t want to be at after school club until 5.30 every day.

I am hoping to work full time when they are at secondary and don’t need breakfast club etc.

He says his solicitor says there is no reason why I shouldn’t work part time. He is a liar and I shouldn’t have engaged in the conversation or let him get to me, I know, but I am going to be awake worrying about this now.

I want what is best for children and always has. The best bit is, he comes across as “such a nice guy” to everyone else, and convinces everyone I am the unreasonable one. And after a conversation with him, I start to think that maybe I am too; he always seems so sure of himself.

He used to threaten to go for custody of the children. Eventually I called his bluff, and I haven’t heard that one for a while. Now it’s all about the house or how much I work.

OP posts:
WhoKnewBeefStew · 31/07/2019 21:44

What you do is if no concern to him whatsoever. I'd try my absolute best to financially become independent of him. I know it's difficult but you really need to start to stop telling him what's going on. Mediation isn't recommended if you're in an abusive relationship. See what the women's charity say and take it from there

waterSpider · 31/07/2019 21:45

I think you might want to have the outlines of a plan for your working aspirations as your children get older. Certainly most mothers do take some PT work for primary school ages, and more hours when all are settled into secondary school -- but gradually, with arrangements for childcare, etc., and thinking about any necessary qualifications to gain.

With your PGCE maybe this is already on your horizon, or closer.

Crystal1975 · 31/07/2019 21:51

I know this is slightly off topic but if he had hit one of my children that hard to leave marks/welts on her, he’d never see any of them again! Fucking arse hole

endofthelinefinally · 31/07/2019 22:52

Crystal1975

Violent parents are awarded unsupervised access to their children all the time by the courts. The non-violent parent usually has no say in the matter.

rightteous · 31/07/2019 23:02

Don’t engage with him. Speak to a solicitor about your rights with the house and put any concerns to them. Get proper legal advice so that you can defend yourself with proper legal info. There’s also a website called rights for women who offer free legal advice

ponyprincess · 01/08/2019 04:54

As a pp said you may be able to get a Mesher order which allows you to stay in the house until the youngest is out of full time education. The down side though is that this is not a clean breal financially, and you would then still have to sell once the youngest finished school unless you could buy him out at that point

If he owns a company, has that been valued and considered on the assets?

lifebegins50 · 01/08/2019 05:13

Violent parents are awarded unsupervised access to their children all the time by the courts. The non-violent parent usually has no say in the matter

Yes, completely agree. Courts are so intent on children seeing both parents that the abuse level has to be extremely high. If a child is primary aged they are not deemed old enough to make a decision and often the mother is blamed for parental alienation. It is shocking and hard to believe but happens all the time. A bad dad some of the time seems to be viewed as much better than no dad. Op does have to tread carefully with this and just wait until the children are seemed old enough.

Can you give an idea if finances, does he have a pension to offset equity? I doubt that if it went to court you would be forced to work full time but it may be that holdjjf into the house is not realistic. He will need to be housed and provide space for the DC.

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SaintEyning · 03/08/2019 23:15

Given that you have just done a PGCE full time (I did one last year as a single parent and have just finished my FT NQT year - both utterly brutal in very different ways), he might have some leverage in saying you have managed (what I felt was the single most challenging year of my life) to cope full time.

However, i don’t think anyone can force you to work FT especially as you have shown you want to contribute financially by getting an NQT role and working previously. A court won’t award you any more maintenance as that’s sorted out via the CMS and your settlement will be based on need - you have the kids for what average % a year - 85%? So you will need to provide a house and lifestyle that is adequate for that need, plus a reasonable percentage of any other assets once your ex’s housing and financial needs are allocated.

So i’d say rest easy about the FT nonsense but be aware that you may need to think realistically about what might happen in a financial hearing.

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