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How do I help him ???

25 replies

IsadoraX · 30/07/2019 18:33

This is long so please try to stick with it- I don’t want to drip feed .

I originally met DP when he was 19, I was 17. I had been kicked out of my parents at 15 and had been living with an older bf. The relationship with older bf was abusive and by 17 when I met “DP” I was living in a 24/7 staffed group home for under 25s considered vulnerable. I was drinking heavily , drugs , and unable to fully escape the clutches of the “ex” and the violence/stalking that was ongoing .

I knew how DP felt about me back then , however he never pushed for more than the very close intimate friendship we shared, I don’t know what I would have done back then without his support as he was getting hassle from my ex and his friends.

Fast forward to 19 and the situation with the abuse was escalating. I finally found the power to break free after a particular incident snapped something inside of me. It lead to a complete mental breakdown, I was at rock bottom. DPs cousin who was also a friend came to me and said you need to let him go, give him a chance to find someone else less complicated , and basically
“don’t screw him up too”
I believed he was right , that DP did deserve better than me and so I disappeared ... Not just from him but with help from the support workers I left all that life behind , and moved to a new city and into a proper place to get real help.

Fast forward to 2015 and after five years spent on inpatient and out patient treatment for ptsd, depression, substance abuse issues I was sober (still am), living independently, working, and trying to get the qualifications I missed when young when DP literally bumped into me whilst I was shopping in the biggest shopping area nearest to both my old town and new city... He was with a new gf , absolutely lovely girl who he introduced me too , and at her prompting we all went for lunch. We swapped numbers , but a month or so later the renewed friendship ended with him letting out all his anger at how I disappeared. I let him - I figured I deserved it , but I also decided that I wouldn’t be in contact with him again . He was settled , had a life - his cousins words played in my head and I knew I had done the right thing by ghosting him because he had found better and decided to leave him to it .

Now fast forward to August last year I have been reconnecting with my family again so making very brief visits back to my home town . Off the train and in a taxi to my mums front door kind of thing - so I’m waiting for a taxi and my DP walks past me, doubles back in shock , and well we have been together ever since ...

Ok that was long so I gave you that back story because I need help to understand this behaviour of his . This is the only relationship I’ve been in since the abusive ex . I’ve stayed completely single, my focus was on me, and me alone so I still feel like I’ve no more idea about men at nearly 30 than I did back then...

He loves me , I feel it , and he shows it , and for the first time since the incident when I was 19 I’ve felt like I can trust someone again to have sex. I’ve even had flashbacks during sex and he’s been nothing, but amazing .

However , my only problem is he has to be in control, he’s explicitly told me this. He needs to be in control.
I don’t mean in control of me , but in control of the relationship. So he controls when we see each other , when we talk , he’s even said if this ever ends it will be his decision not mine (I don’t think he means this as badly as it sounds) ...
We have talked extensively about the past , and I’ve told him what his cousin told me, and he says he’s proud of me for how I’ve turned my life around , but admitted sometimes he’s still angry about the past , about my ex and what happened to me , and how I left both times even though he understands why....
He says things like
“you might meet someone else” or
“he’s nothing special and I will just forget about him again”
It’s like there are all these tests he sets , and I won’t know about them till he will say I just wanted to see how you would react .
Or he said up until recently he didn’t believe I loved him, that I was just saying it to make him feel better.

Past two weekends I was away with work, and had some free time so he drove 2 hours there to spend the afternoon both Saturdays with me . I didn’t ask him to , and he said the last time
“Izzy clicks her fingers and I jump just to get close to her” and then for the past week he’s been distant, and today said again when I asked why I have to control this , it has to be when I say, you just don’t understand what you do to me, I have to have some control .....
Now I feel like I have damaged him, made him feel like he can’t trust people not to leave ... given him the issues , like I passed on all the abuse I suffered to him when we were young and I hate myself for doing that to him.

I love him , and I’m very open with how much I love and adore him which while it is hard for me to be so openly vulnerable I do it because I know he needs words and physical affection because it is how he feels loved. I don’t need that, I don’t need repeated declarations like he does , I don’t question his feelings as he does mine , I accept what he says he feels until I’m shown otherwise.
So please someone tell me how do I fix this or make him more secure so he can just let us be , let us develop naturally rather than try to control everything about us ?
I don’t think I can damage him again by leaving him.

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Aquamarine1029 · 30/07/2019 18:44

Oh, op. This relationship has disaster written all over it. You are yet again in another abusive relationship. His obsession with control is so alarming and dangerous I don't have the words to describe it. You ARE NOT responsible to "fix" anything about him. For the sake of your recovery, sobriety, mental health, and safety, I implore you to leave him and never look back.

Michellebops · 30/07/2019 18:58

Op this is your boyfriend and you are a grown up. Sadly this man is treating you like a little girl and behaving like her your parent telling you what you do and when to do it etc.

You may think and he may lead you believe that it's because of your past behaviour but it's not.

You were in a bad place and he's taking advantage of your vulnerability at that time to his advantage.

By telling you he's wanting to control that part of your relationship he's totally testing you.

This narcissistic behaviour will never stop. Imagine 10 years down the line and he's controlling yours and if any kids every move.

As much as you say you love him you don't NEED him.

You managed to turn your life around before and you can do it again.

IsadoraX · 30/07/2019 19:05

Thank you for the quick response , and I don’t know what to say ...
I have honestly not thought of it as abusive before, for me it has just felt like I did this to him , now I’m fixed I should fix him. He has said no other relationship has lasted because of me, and I feel like where my ex was the bogey man so say in my life stopping any relationship, then I was his . I don’t know if that makes sense .

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Aquamarine1029 · 30/07/2019 19:13

He has said no other relationship has lasted because of me

Massive, massive red flag. He is blaming YOU for his behaviour and problems. That is coersive control and gaslighting. You are in NO way responsible for anything in his life. Don't you believe you deserve so much more than a man who only wants to control and blame you? Do you even realise how much worse his abuse is going to get if you stay? It won't be long until your life is shattered because of his control.

You have come so far over the last several years. Why are you so willing to undo it all and stay in yet another abusive relationship?

Pinkbonbon · 30/07/2019 19:16

You don't help him, you help you - leave.

Anyone who utters the words 'I need to be in control' is not good news. The fact that he has you feeling 'guilty' for his 'insecurities' is a red flag with bells on it too. This isn't a healthy relationship.

category12 · 30/07/2019 19:20

Love, this is abusive - it's coercive control and emotional abuse. He's no good for you.

You can't fix anyone - they have to do it themselves, like you did. Don't let him take you back there.

IsadoraX · 30/07/2019 19:36

Aquamarine1029- I feel guilty when I think of hurting him again, the 19 year old I knew was so open, sweet, funny, caring and god he genuinely did make me see the difference back then between what I had and how I should be treated . Now I see how he’s changed, closed off , he doesn’t let as many people close to him and I genuinely do feel responsible. I think because he’s never tried to control me in the past nearly year I just thought it was a relationship issue - like he has said
“I have to have the power, and you can trust me I will never hurt you , but I just need to be one in control”

Pinkbonbon and category12 - thank you both for responding I’m just genuinely in shock reading these ... I am naive about relationships I know that but I didn’t think I was blind, I thought abuse was what I had before - not this and I am struggling to think of him as abusive . I think if he hit me or went to i would know how to cope, but he is as far from my ex as could be in my head .

But, no I would never let anyone drag me back, tbh I was content to stay single before I met him again, and I sometimes think because I trusted him so much from before it was why I was able to sleep with him. I still struggle with any male physically touching me unless I am aware and ready .

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Pinkbonbon · 30/07/2019 19:52

Normal people won't 'test' you, normal people won't demand to be in control of the relationship, normal people won't make you feel responsible for their own issues and insecurities, normal people don't tell others that their gf has all this power over them when infact THEY control the relationship. (That is all abuser territory). And, last point-is what abusers do when they are setting up your friends and family to think YOU are the difficult one. So when they ramp up the abuse, everyone will believe them if they call YOU controlling/crazy/insecure.

The guy has serious issues and you will too if you stay with him because he is setting you up.

Get out now!

IsadoraX · 30/07/2019 20:01

I see what you are saying, I obviously need to do some reading up about some of these terms that have been used . God I feel so fkin dumb ...

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lawnmowingsucks · 30/07/2019 20:06

This man is abusing you

Get out now

Run away

Bananalanacake · 30/07/2019 20:11

Don't let him move in with you, keep your personal space.

JK1773 · 30/07/2019 20:14

Don’t feel bad or ‘dumb’. You’ve asked the question about your relationship as you know it’s not right. He can’t be helped or fixed. You know this, you know it has to come from within yourself because you’ve done it. He’s totally exploiting your vulnerability. He sounds actually quite dangerous. Please get out of this situation. He doesn’t love you. You’re a possession to him.

category12 · 30/07/2019 20:22

You're not dumb.

You're also not responsible for his emotional well-being. If he is so damaged, what is he doing to help himself? Other than making it your issue to deal with?

You didn't do this to him.

And you know yourself how bad his statement that if this ever ends it will be his decision not mine is, no matter how you try to downplay it. It's deeply fucked up. And it's not your fault. He knows exactly how manipulate you through misplaced guilt - he doesn't need to hit you to control you.

Aquamarine1029 · 30/07/2019 20:26

www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/reports/news/a31487/what-is-coercive-control/

www.womensaid.org.uk/information-support/what-is-domestic-abuse/coercive-control/

www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/friendship-20/201506/20-signs-your-partner-is-controlling

This is especially important for you, op, regarding his controlling behaviour...

"Using guilt as a tool. Many controlling people are skilled manipulators at making their partner's own emotions work in the controlling person's favor. If they can manipulate their partners into feeling a steady stream of guilt about everyday goings-on, then a lot of the controlling person's work is done for them—their partners will gradually try to do whatever they can to not have to feel guilty. Often this means relenting and giving up power and their own dissenting opinion within the relationship, which plays right into the controlling person's hands. "

IsadoraX · 30/07/2019 21:14

Wow thank you ... can I ask possibly a really stupid question ?

What is the point of him controlling our relationship? So I’ve assumed it’s because I’ve left twice from his life with no word which I know was wrong but I believed was for the best at the time , but if not that then why? What does he get out of it?
He really hasn’t tried to control me as a person , encouraging especially where work and OU degree is concerned and going out with my friends and making amends with my family ... well except my best friend they don’t get on.
Banana - no he wouldn’t have moved in anytime soon anyway, I struggle still with nightmares esp if he is in bed with me and it means no one gets any sleep. It is as with the side of the PTSD I have never really gained much control of .
God my head is still spinning - I just guess I’ve always held him in my head as the one that got away , I’m struggling to put these two people together and what this means .

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IsadoraX · 30/07/2019 21:14

I mean how could I just leave his life again for the third time ...

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Pinkbonbon · 30/07/2019 21:24

The thing is, these people aren't like you or I. We ask 'what do they get out of control?' and we try to think what WE get out of it. And we therefore theorise 'he must be insecure so needs to feel in control so he doesn't get hurt'.

The truth is they need to be in control because they like it. They like the power of it. They like that it makes you their subordinate. They like it because it makes them the strong one, the boss...and you, the person always on the back foot, wondering what's coming next or needing their say in everything to come.

He isn't like you, so stop feeling sorry for him. Stop feeling guilty for wanting freedom.

IsadoraX · 30/07/2019 22:22

Pinkbonbon - wondering what’s coming next - this bit really struck me so I can see that side in him . And yes I will agree he likes to be the strong one - but I know I am strong , I have dragged myself from hell so I know my own strength , but Yh I can see that in him and I can see where I’ve dimmed myself sometimes and let him take the control or deferred to him.
Tonight I just feel lost like that teenager again, I can’t believe It ...

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Pinkbonbon · 30/07/2019 22:48

It might be worthwhile to read up on 'covert narcissists' just incase it is relevant. Not that all abuse comes from narcissists of course.

You're going to be OK, so long as you keep the blinkers off. Having been subject to abuse once, can make us more susceptible to others. Often they seem completely different from the one before. Especially at the start. But they aren't. They're all...preditors.

Aquamarine1029 · 30/07/2019 23:00

When you leave him, which I hope you do immediately, be prepared for him to pull out all the stops. Threatening suicide, massive guilt tripping, waterworks, feigning panic attacks, the works. It is a classic part of an abuser's playbook.

Thingsdogetbetter · 01/08/2019 08:44

He was 'lovely' at 19 because you were vulnerable, 'weak' and already abused. He felt powerful, strong and the knight in shining armour. He enjoys that role, it makes him happy and secure. Later, you were not the damsel in distress for him to save, so he brought up you leaving to knock you down and put you back into 'your role'. Now you are a fixed adult, he can't cope. His role has vanished as you no longer need saving. He feels weak and insecure. He's trying to guilt and abuse you back into that role that makes him happy and comfortable. To be 'up' he needs you to be 'down'.

You need to stay up! You can't do that with him pushing you down. You know he can't be fixed by anyone but himself. And he's already decided the solution lays in de-fixing you.

Run.

ChuckleBuckles · 01/08/2019 09:43

it has just felt like I did this to him , now I’m fixed I should fix him

But what do you think you did to him OP? You were literally in fear of your life, in physical danger and you got yourself to safety and restarted your life, rebuilding your emotional and mental strength, you are now employed and studying, you are doing amazing! You are every day dealing with your past and moving forward to grown into the person your were meant to be before you were knocked off course.

I have to have the power, and you can trust me I will never hurt you , but I just need to be one in control

That is terrifying to me and I hope to you too, OP. He sees how far you have come in life and has the urge to keep you under foot, to only be allowed to prosper and grow as far as he permits, he thinks of you as less than him, just so he can feel like the big man. I would guess that rather than being proud of how much you have achieved in life, it threatens him that you did all that, you helped yourself and you achieved those things alone. He is trying to make you small so he feels big and the only way he is ever going to feel big is by putting you in your place, as he sees it, no amount of stroking his ego, building him up will ever be enough, no amount of reassuring him about how much you love him will ever be enough, you will just need to become smaller and smaller over time to satisfy him.

I am also guessing that the best friend of yours that he does not like is your most vocal supporter and knows that you deserve better, he will try to isolate you from that person over time.

AgentJohnson · 01/08/2019 12:29

You didn’t break him and even if you could fix him (you can’t), it isn’t your responsibility to fix him. You’re not going out with the 19 year old him you are going out with who he is now.

You can not relive a pat relationship relationship in the future.

Personally, I think you moving away and getting help was the right thing to do, it is very unlikely you’d be the much improved you if you had of stayed with him.

You need to the let go of the ‘one that got away’ narrative and the notion that you broke him and are therefore obliged to ‘fix’ him.

This an abusive relationship, just a different flavour. Do not jeopardise your sobriety by starting a project you don’t have the power to solve.

Footle · 01/08/2019 13:50

Could you have an honest discussion with your friend about. why they 'don't get on'?

rvby · 01/08/2019 20:53

Oh OP. Please run. This person will ruin you.

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