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NC with narc DF, now back in touch 🤨

16 replies

Rangerange · 28/07/2019 13:06

Hey, long time lurker here. This is so long, I apologise. Just really need to hear other peoples perspectives about this.
I have 2 DC (10&9).
Split from their DF 7 years ago due to horrendous domestic abuse. Mental, emotional, financial, never physical but would smash the house up when he didn't get his own way.
Since then he has just dipped in and out of their lives as and when he pleases. Consistent to him, is once every 3 months. Never, ever paid maintenance, not even once. He's one of those types that drop his DC when hes in a new relationship or will cancel arrangements when hes had a better offer (usually going on the piss). Managed to turn his family against me with his utter lies about me stopping contact which just for the record, has never happened. He didn't have contact with them because of the above. His family dont see them anymore because I'm the evil cow in all of this. They just send birthday and Christmas cards. He entered into a serious relationship about 3 years ago, so of course, DC were dropped. She must of been asking him awkward questions about why he doesn't see his DC. So as with every girlfriend, he spun her the old "she doesn't let me see my kids" line. Used to annoy me greatly but over the years I've learnt not to give a damn about what bullshit these people are fed. Hes a narc so I learnt to accept that this is just the way it will be now. Turned up with her at my house once screaming "let me see my kids" just so his lie was believable to her. I was granted a non molestation order after this as only a few days before he had been outside my DC school at drop off calling me a slag and such and I'd had enough of the harassment. A few weeks prior to this he was following me from work doing the same. This was all due to me doing the grey rock method, it really pissed him off. He would get in touch under the pretence of wanting to make visiting arrangements but then would quickly turn the conversation into a me me me session about how great his life was , how hes doing so much better than me, what amazing plans he had for the next month etc etc. Despite me politely reminding him his life is not my concern now, my only concern is contact. It was never about seeing the DC, it was about his ego and his desperate need to ram his perfectness down my throat. Always asking me personal questions about my life which is none of his business. Hence the grey rock method.
The non-mol was granted 3 years ago, valid for 1 year. Did not hear from him. No birthday/Christmas cards for DC sent. Just to be clear the non mol ordered he make no contact me. Not the DC. Judge arranged a date for him to go in to family court to arrange contact. He didn't turn up. Have heard nothing from him. Had a call from SS last sept asking if he was having contact with DC as they'd received a call from mental health team. I said no. They said if he does get in touch you need to direct him to us so we can have a chat and assess him.
He turned up at my door unannounced a few days ago asking for contact with DC. Told him to speak to SS. He did. They told him no case open. I rang them, thought he may be lying. Nope. Case closed.
My concern now is that my DC haven't coped with this very well over the last few years. Upset at home and school. My DC are actually booked in September to start counselling about the NC with father.
I have found out he is in a new long term relationship and I feel this is just an attempt for him to act the doting dad in front of her and then drop them like a hot potato again claiming "she doesn't let me see my kids, look i tried, oh shes really mean to me". I dont trust him as far as I can throw him.
Told him i will speak with DC about it. I haven't said anything to them yet as it's such a horrendously touchy subject, I dont want to upset them. I certainly dont want them to be picked up and dropped again otherwise it's going to cause yet more emotional damage to them.
Hes messaged asking if I've asked them. Reluctantly, I expressed my concerns about him coming back into their life with his track record. Said about the counselling and how upset they have been. Of course, being a narc the responses are "I dont care, just ask the DC, I want no contact with you, i don't care about the past, stop bringing the past up"
I've had a baby in this time and am in a long term relationship. Hes always said if I ever had a baby with anyone he'd never see DC again. Controlling narc bastard.
He fails to recognise the implications of his behaviour on the children, which concerns me with regard to him wanting contact now.
I really just dont have a fucking clue what to do, where to start. I suggested mediation to him as I am not just handing over my DC to this horrendous twat and just hoping for the best. Their heads are gonna be all over the place. But on the other hand I dont want my children to hate me when their older if I block contact. Hes told me many times over the years how hes going to make sure the DC know what an evil bitch I am and make sure they hate me and so far hes done a good job of making his family and friends hate me so who's to say he wont be successful. I'd like to think my children wouldn't think this as we have a great relationship. I have done everything for them on my own with no help from him. But narcs have a way with this type of thing. Turning people against you.
Hes still sending messages now, I'm not even reading them. Hes relentless until he gets what he wants. But I'm not giving him what he wants on a platter anymore.
Wtf do I do ??

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Rangerange · 28/07/2019 13:10

I've just read the messages. They're detailing how wonderful his life is.

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MzHz · 28/07/2019 13:18

Ignore ignore ignore

I’d get a new number tbh, keep that one on a payg phone in a drawer and check it every so often. Or get someone unrelated to him to have a look to advise you of anything of importance
If he really wanted contact he can apply to court and do it all the right way.

You know this is for show, it’ll blow over

Main thing is to stop negotiating with him - he’s getting a feed from that alone

averythinline · 28/07/2019 13:26

block him, ignore ignore, ignore - if he turns up on your doorstep call the police

he doesnt give a shit so why shoudl you... if he wants to see dc he can take you to court.... and maybe they will talk about supervised contact following the abuse - you had a non mol that is not an easy thing to get....hes talking rubbish though as teh chances f him actually doing anything are slim..

you need to stand up to him for your DC sake.... who is important to you is going to beleive a word he says.... go to CMS, get maintenance stick it in an account for your DC

you need to talk in a age appropriate way to your DC that he is not allowed to come near you because he behaved so badly..

keep records

Rangerange · 28/07/2019 13:27

@mzhz you're so right.

I feel so sorry for innocent children with a narc parent. I just feel I have let them down by having such an idiot as their father.

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Bookworm4 · 28/07/2019 13:32

I think you like many others need to take the fact he’s their father and put it to the side. Nobody has the right to ruin people’s life’s, he has nothing to bring to your DC life’s, he sounds dangerous and has already damaged them. Too many people try to force relationships with parents, sadly they are not always the best person to have in your life. Your DC would do better without him, do not allow contact, let him take you to court: which he won’t do. Let your DC know they are good people who sadly have a waste of space father.

Rangerange · 28/07/2019 13:35

@averythinline thanks for your reply.
I found it so uncomfortable and awkward explaining to the DC because they're so innocent they love him regardless. They saw the police at the house and I explained that the police told DF to stay away until he was better. Always told them it is not their fault. They have done nothing wrong. It still hurts them to this day. It breaks my heart. I find it hard to talk to them about it all hence the counselling.
I do have a cms account open , it went to DEO but hes friendly with his manager so each month they put him down as not working there and then add him back on the following month. This prevents the DEO from taking money. Cms have done nothing to stop this. Suppose they cant really.

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Rangerange · 28/07/2019 13:41

@bookworm4 you're right.
The "I will make sure they know you're an evil so and so" really sticks in my mind when making decisions.
I've learnt to not care anymore but the thought of him brainwashing DC frightens me.
And yes you're right, he wouldn't take me to court because he doesn't want long term access. He wants to use them to prove something. I just know it.

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boredboredboredboredbored · 28/07/2019 13:48

Gosh op you poor poor thing. It sounds to be like you're an amazing mum with her dc best interests at heart. Having this utter twat in their lives will not enhance it but cause more pain. If it were me I'd not say a word to my dc, let him go through the legal route. If he is serious he will do everything in his power to make it happen. I think you know though he won't so fuck him, your dc will know in a very short time (my 15yo Dd knows exactly what her father is like).

Your ex dodges maintenance, that's the lowest of the low.

Rangerange · 28/07/2019 13:59

@boredboredboredboredbored I'm so glad your DD sees through the bullshit, that's made me more optimistic.
I'm really strong in my feelings about my DC feelings. He on the other hand could not give a fuck. He lacks the skills and empathy to be a father. He is just not fatherly.
I also would not put it past him to come flying around here displaying his aggressive behaviour but it's a different ball game entirely now I have a baby. If he ever abused me in front of my baby or my DC again I honestly dont think I could restrain myself. Why put myself through that ? Its inevitable that this will happen when he has to create a commotion to make it look like it's impossible to have a relationship with his DC in front of his girlfriend. You're right. Fuck him.

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MzHz · 29/07/2019 07:02

I hear you. It’s awful to blame yourself as much as we do.

However.... WE trusted them to be decent people for our children, THEY are the ones who -through weakness and inferiority- chose to be wankers and piss poor fathers

Your job is to protect your kids- and you’re doing a brilliant job of that.

They ALL say they will “tell the kids how awful you are” my reply to that is “well for you to make me look bad, you need to lie - all I have to do to make you look bad is to tell the truth.”

You’ll explain this to the kids using age appropriate truth and tell them to ask you any questions they need to and you’ll answer them, or answer them when you can if it’s a question they’re not quite ready to process the answer to.

MzHz · 29/07/2019 07:05

You sound an AWFUL lot stronger now! :) Well done! ((((Hug)))

He can’t win. He’s weak and inferior- he can only win by destroying- and to destroy people he has to get close. He knows he’s outside of that space now and this is his weak attempt at getting a victim back on the hook to make him feel powerful.

Remember grey rock and keep at it. Double down and ignore the prick

Happynow001 · 29/07/2019 07:28

OP do you have CCTV outside your house? If not you might wish to consider it so you can have a record of his behaviour if you ever need it.

Also reduce his communications to you to email only if possible - have an email address specifically available for this. Keep a log of his actions in case you need to take him to court for harassment.

Rangerange · 29/07/2019 08:38

@mzhz thank you. This is what I need to hear to stay strong.
You're right about the "he has to lie and I just tell the truth". They do worry me though with just how vicious and poisonous they can be to fit their own agenda.
Received an influx of messages last night detailing how awful I have treated his family because I dont contact them when they send cards for the DC. He is sick in the head. He did his upmost to turn the family against me as soon as he lost me. The abuse I got from them was actually quite upsetting because we had always got on. But like I said, I've learnt to accept this now. But he twists it as if I have cut them out. Which I did. After he had successfully poisoned them and ruined their relationship with his DC. He is a prick. I wish his family could be in their life because they used to treat them well and loved spend time with them. He has ruined this. He knew full well what he was doing aswell which makes it all the more sick.
Anyway, I ignored those ones and skipped to the contact.
He has absolutely nothing new to bring to the table. His messages are identical to his messages before the NC. He still wants minimal contact which just screams "Using bastard".
I can guarantee the new girlfriend is asking awkward questions. He can fuck off if he thinks hes doing this to my DC all over again.

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Rangerange · 29/07/2019 08:40

@happynow001 I dont have CCTV but I am moving house in a couple of weeks. Me and DP have been looking into this in general anyway. He wont know my new address but CCTV is something I would definitely be looking into for the new house.

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MzHz · 29/07/2019 17:21

Stay strong love! No replies. Not even Read notifications... nothing here to see ex, keep moving... don’t let the door hit you on the arse (repeatedly) on your way back to the far side of fuck...

((Hug)))

MitziK · 29/07/2019 19:05

Does he know you've had a baby?

If not, it's very possible that he could turn up to see the DC, then, on realising there was a baby, immediately walk away from them. That would be awful for them.

I think moving without mentioning it, changing your phone number, etc, would be a plan. If he's serious about seeing them, he'll appoint a solicitor to make contact - and then he can be told by yours about it (without disclosing your address, obviously), go ballistic away from the DC and follow through with his promise to leave you alone threat.

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