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Did I ruin things? How do I move on? Am very sad.

34 replies

Cassandra2019 · 28/07/2019 10:12

I’m so confused and upset and trying to piece together what happened and what went wrong and whether this is for the best. I’m sorry in advance for the long post. So as not to drip feed I will lay it all out.

I was in a long term relationship from 2010. My partner really was very kind and loving. He really was my best friend, incredibly supportive and similar interests, good sense of humour. However a very big age gap, not that it showed. My friends and family who were sceptical at first all loved him. He really is a good guy. However, he had very elderly parents who he used to travel to visit every weekend and they didn’t approve of him being with me and after 4-5 years I got fed up of our relationship not moving forwards. I wanted to buy a place, marry and have kids and although he wanted all that too he dragged his heels and I got fed up and tired of it all, caused me many tears. During this time he was always supportive of my work, family problems that came up etc etc. I suppose we kind of called it quits from about 2016 onwards but although it was a strictly platonic relationship we may as well have still been together, emotionally we were still very involved with each other. If I’m being honest it was like being in a relationship still just without the sex.

Then last year I met a man through work, my age and we really hit it off. We started seeing each other. He’s very different from my ex boyfriend - more passionate, more firm in what he wants, quite different characters. I explained at the beginning I was coming out of a long relationship and needed to take it slow. He said he understood but he said he also wanted to crack on and marry and have kids. Anyway, I spent the whole of the last year feeling conflicted. I still saw my ex boyfriend as friends which my new boyfriend was ok with. But I always compared the two in my head.

The last year has been very volatile partly because he thinks I’ve been very slow to commit - he wanted me to move in after 6 months and I didn’t want to yet - and partly because he can be very selfish with his time and what he wants to do. In many ways we may have just been incompatible but 10 days ago he ended with me and I’ve been distraught. I wonder now if it was me that sabotaged it all and maybe if I had thrown myself into it, seen him for his own worth and not compared that maybe it would have been different. It’s that not knowing that makes me so upset. I know that the new relationship was so different - my boyfriend was nice but not as kind as my ex boyfriend and was a much more difficult character but then again my ex boyfriend is very unusually nice I think.

I suppose you only know what you want or what you have until you’ve lost it. Most of my friends don’t like the recent boyfriend and think it’s good it ended. They say we had too different interests - but I think a lot of their dislike may have also been because I was quite negative about the relationship to them. I felt like recently I had dropped all my barriers and was letting him in and then he left and this was what I had feared he might be like when we first started going out.

I am not contacting him as he’s made it very clear it’s over. He’s very headstrong and once he’s made up his mind he doesn’t tend to change it.

But I am so sad about it. I know now that I needed to fully move on from my ex. He’s still my best friend but maybe it’s just not compatible if I want a relationship with anyone else.

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Marlena1 · 28/07/2019 10:23

Did you really love the second guy? Sounds like you are not over your ex at all. Maybe deal with that before any new relashionships. It's fine to keep in contact with an ex. But it doesn't work if you are still emotionally attached as you never really break free. Especially as you didn't break up because you "drifted apart". Sounds like you just wanted more from him.

Cantdoright1 · 28/07/2019 10:30

Sounds like your older ex is having his cake and eating it. He gets all your attention and friendship without having to commit to anything. I do think you need to break your strong ties with him to move on. Maybe if you stop talking to him all the time he will realise what he is missing.

RhubarbTea · 28/07/2019 10:31

To me it sounds like you transferred your grief about the end of your long relationship to the most recent ex. This is very common, like an emotional lottery rollover with none of the fun and spending money part. Eventually your grief catches up with you and you have to face it.

I'd really encourage you to be single for a while, feel deeply the grief and loss from both relationships and then become content to be alone without needing any relationship. Only then will you have realigned your boundaries and be happy to move forward and decide who to date, if anyone.

Sometimes when you feel pulled between two people the answer in terms of who is 'right' is neither of them. And if you play them off against each other in your head you'll remain at a distance from both and maybe that feels safer. My own personal view is that second most recent ex sounds totally unsuited for you and selfish, whereas more long term ex is just unsuited to you but perhaps a nicer person.
Best of luck and don't feel embarrassed about getting some counselling to talk all this through, it might really help you see the wood for the trees.

ElspethFlashman · 28/07/2019 10:36

Clearly the 2nd guy was not Mr Right. He made you anxious.

The 1st guy is not Mr Right. He offered no future.

That's not a lot of guys for 9 years! It's not unreasonable that if you only date 2 guys neither is Mr Right.

Pineapplefish · 28/07/2019 10:44

I think that it will be very, very difficult for you to find love if you are still so close to your ex that you could describe it as "like being in a relationship but without the sex". I'm not someone who thinks you can't have platonic male friends, not at all, but you were still emotionally involved with your ex and that wasn't fair on your next boyfriend. You need to get over him fully if you want your next relationship to work out.

Aussiebean · 28/07/2019 11:29

No idea if the second guy was right, but I doubt you would have either because you spent so much time focused on the fact that he wasn’t your ex.

You didn’t judge him for him, you judged him based on someone else.

You ex isn’t all that great either. He put his parents before you, so you were never the priority that you made him in your life.

I would step away from that friendship and start afresh.

Cassandra2019 · 28/07/2019 12:32

I think that’s why I feel so sad. Because I ruined something by myself. I do need to emotionally disconnect from my ex.

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Pineapplefish · 28/07/2019 12:55

That's ok OP. You've learnt something and can now move on and start afresh.

ThatCurlyGirl · 28/07/2019 13:50

Neither of them are "the one" or you'd be with them, you need some time and space to yourself to reset instead of comparing the two of them - there's a whole world outside of them.

Most of my friends don’t like the recent boyfriend and think it’s good it ended.

IME this is one of the best indicators of someone who isn't right for you - after break ups with a few of mine who I was besotted with my friends all said they never liked them. I did think why didn't you tell me at the time!!! But I guess they knew I would have stayed with them regardless and had to work it out for myself.

Cassandra2019 · 28/07/2019 13:58

I think I just think that the second guy might have been right but I didn’t give it the chance I should have. And I can’t see how I’m going to meet someone else...it’s so hard generally. I’m just sad at myself and sad it took something like this to make me realise it.

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RhubarbTea · 28/07/2019 17:08

I don't think the second guy sounds right for you at ALL, he sounds selfish and as though he was overstepping boundaries rushing you to commit. There were loads of red flags in your posts about him. Maybe you need to reframe things so that rather than blaming yourself, you are more critical of the fact that these two people both essentially wasted your precious time. Your self esteem doesn't sound great and I think that is why you are seeing things in the light you are.

Geogaddi · 28/07/2019 17:31

If your second boyfriend was pushing to move in with you and have a family it sounds to me like you dodged a bullet. Why on earth would anyone push for that, especailly after just 6 months. If he couldn't be considerate of your decision then really he doesn't sound right for you.

Sounds like you're not over your ex yet. Take a breather and maybe lay off the relationships for a while. I dated a guy who wouldnt stop talking abou his ex, he ended it after about 2 weeks.

HollowTalk · 28/07/2019 17:40

Your second boyfriend wasn't right for you. He made you very nervous and he was pushy. That's not what you need.

Your first boyfriend sounds lovely but with the age gap you are at completely different stages in your life. He wouldn't stand up to his parents and couldn't give you what you wanted.

Time to move on from both, OP.

Cassandra2019 · 29/07/2019 14:14

I just had a message from the second guy saying he’d posted a gift I’d sent him back. I’d bought it for him before we broke up when we were meant to be going away together and I was going to surprise him with it. Last week he said he still wanted it so I posted it to him but when he received it he said it was a lovely thought but too much and was posting it back. The message just now said I should get it tomorrow.

It’s left me so very sad. I’m going to start counselling but I feel bereft that I let something go. It’s hard to find people generally to date without messing it up stupidly.

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HypatiaCade · 29/07/2019 15:35

He’s very headstrong and once he’s made up his mind he doesn’t tend to change it.

Good riddance. You NEVER want to be with someone like this. Never, ever, ever!!!!

I think he made a great rebound relationship though.

But, now you need to put yourself first. Let both this new guy go, and the old one as well. You need some distance from BOTH exes to heal and move on.

StormTreader · 29/07/2019 15:41

Sounds like you dated a plodding donkey and an aggressively rampaging bull fluttering with red flags - theres plenty of guys in between those two extremes!

ChristmasFluff · 29/07/2019 16:04

Moving in at 6 months is way too soon.

Sounds like he wanted a girlfriend, any girlfriend. You stuck to your very sensible boundaries, you did nothing wrong. I actually think this 'splitting up' is him seeing if he can force your hand and have you thinking exactly as you are - that you were the one who didn't commit.

Whereas in fact you were simply incompatible, and if he is manipulative, you are waaaaay better off out of it.

litterbird · 29/07/2019 16:44

I am so sorry OP, I can see through your words how upset you are. You really must spend some time on your own and disengaging from your first boyfriend. You will repeat what has just happened if you dont. I have experienced what you have gone through. I didn't give myself enough time to heal when my boyfriend left me 4 years ago. I jumped into a couple of relationships too soon and they ended like yours. It took me a while to realise what I was doing and take time out to heal myself. I hope you do the same. I am in an amazing place in my life now with wonderful male attention and I am free inside to pick the one who I believe is the best fit for me. I am over my past so it doesn't affect how I see each man. Best of luck.

AllFourOfThem · 29/07/2019 16:56

I’m sorry you are going through this, OP.

I agree that it doesn’t sound as if either of them are right for you.

Loopytiles · 29/07/2019 17:01

How old are you?

Had your older ex BF wanted marriage and DC with you he would have agreed to this. He wasted many years of your time, and you allowed him to do so. He is not a friend.

Keeping in touch and emotionally tangled with him was/is a terrible plan. Suggest no contact.

Your most recent ex doesn’t sound ideal, pressure to move in together v early, selfish with his time etc. it could well not have worked out for reasons other than your absorption in your ex.

Pinkout · 29/07/2019 17:07

Neither of them are right for you. The first one didn’t want long term commitment in a way you wanted it and you weren’t over him when you started dating the second one. The second one wanted all of the commitment you had been desperate for with the first one but you didn’t want it with him ultimately.

Platonic friends are not basically lovers without the sex, it’s not how friendship works. I think friendships with exes only works out if both parties are completely over the relationship. I actually think you need to cut the first ex out and just have a clean break.

Cassandra2019 · 30/07/2019 10:58

To the PP who asked I am 32. I am feeling a bit better today. I do need to cut the first one out. I rely on him emotionally for everything as he has basically become my default family. I am very LC with my mum and sibling. It’s hard to be completely on your own but I think I have to if I am going to move on.

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Waterfallgirl · 30/07/2019 11:22

You need to cut them both out and move in OP. Guy 2 sounds vile and controlling sorry.

Loopytiles · 30/07/2019 12:51

You’re not that young in fertility terms so as you want DC it’d be good to detach, move on and focus on yourself.

No more contact with him would be best. He’s not family, he’s an ex who is not good for you.

Sorry you have a tricky family.

category12 · 30/07/2019 12:58

Cut contact with both guys. The first because his "friendship" is holding you back, and the second because red flags, and I wouldn't be surprised if he comes back offering you a "second chance" which you should absolutely reject.

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