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Is my marriage over?

19 replies

LemonFritz · 25/07/2019 07:10

DH and I have been together for 12 years, we are now 30. He has a habit of lying to me and gaslighting me over things he finds embarrassing. He is not emotionally available and stonewalls me. We have not dtd much over the last couple of years and when we have it feels “off”. We have 2 DC and he is a wonderful DH in the sense that he contributes to the home and children in a way most would dream of.

He came home on Friday night after a work night out and was in the bathroom for 30 minutes. Finally, the rage hit me. We discussed porn, I told him some of the research. We discussed our marriage and how lonely I was. He maintained that he was absolutely not watching porn that evening but does sometimes.

We dtd and connected a LOT over the intervening days and he continued to insist he wasn’t doing anything that night. We discussed his behaviours that are damaging. He was open with feelings and was “totally honest”. I begged him to tell the truth explaining that the porn was neither here no there but the gaslighting was so damaging.

Last night he came home and finally decided to tell me the truth. On top of his porn habit he has been getting busy over the social media of his coworkers and our friends. He has always displayed himself as a “feminist man” and I am mortified that he would degrade our friends and his coworkers and then look them in the eyes.

The worst part is the 5 days of gaslighting. I cannot trust a word he says. He will always lie to suit himself - what else is he hiding? We passionately dtd, connected and I was so vulnerable with him for 5 days. I feel like he’s taken my last bit of dignity.

OP posts:
barryfromclareisfit · 25/07/2019 07:14

You know what to do. It will be challenging but you will regain your dignity.

You reminded me of som

barryfromclareisfit · 25/07/2019 07:16

Som? Something. As I going married, I had to work Saturday mornings, leaving husband home alone. One morning I found the photo album on the bed, open at a pic of sister in law, long legs in a short skirt. He hadn’t even the shame to put the photos away afterwards.

barryfromclareisfit · 25/07/2019 07:17

As a young married.
Autocorrect can go to hell.

LemonFritz · 25/07/2019 07:34

I feel wretched about staying or leaving. He’s all I know. I can’t afford to live.

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Shoxfordian · 25/07/2019 07:37

Is he your ex husband now barry?
Sounds like you should talk to a solicitor and start separating op

ChallensGreen · 25/07/2019 08:02

I’d try counselling. Doesn’t sound like it’s over - you just need to reignite the spark. Get a sitter, go out. Get drunk, go to a hotel. Act interested in his day - even if you’re not lol. Good luck xxx

LemonFritz · 25/07/2019 10:37

We’ve done this dance for years. He’ll never respect me.

Can I just accept that and get on with it?

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Yeahnahmum · 25/07/2019 11:18

God op
Read your story back
And then realise you should get the f away from this man
This is not a marriage. Nor is he a husband

hellsbellsmelons · 25/07/2019 13:07

Act interested in his day - even if you’re not lol
WTAF? Is this suddenly the 1950's?
So he's a liar and porn addict.
He gets himself off over friends and co-workers and OP should just make him feel good about himself? WOW!

OP what do you mean, you can't afford to live?
How old are the DC?
What is the housing situation?

I couldn't continue with someone who had no respect for me.
Why would you?
What an awful half life to live.
It's short you know.

If you are considering leaving then I suggest you have a chat with CAB regarding benefits, housing allowance, tax credits etc....
Have you worked out how much your DH would have to pay you in maintenance if you were to split up?

LemonFritz · 25/07/2019 16:02

DC are 5&6. I’m currently doing a full time masters and some teaching on the side. I tend to pay kids clubs, childcare, my expenses and some extras. DH is not a high earner but manages to cover all bills with little to spare. We own our home but not much equity.

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LemonFritz · 25/07/2019 16:03

I’m not employed, my income is variable and more like a zero hour contract.

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Babdoc · 25/07/2019 16:13

OP, I think the likeliest outcome is that you will end up divorced. It may even be the best outcome.
But.... if he was willing to go completely cold turkey on the porn habit, and give you complete access to his phone/laptop/whatever to check up on him, it might be possible to salvage the marriage.
As with any addiction - heroin, cigarettes, gambling etc- only a minority will be able to ditch the habit and stay clean. Is it worth a try with this man? Do you still love him? Was the “connection” you felt with him genuine and reciprocated by him?
I think you should have a serious conversation with him and lay down your conditions for staying in the marriage. It should be made very clear to him that if he fails, and relapses, the next stop is the divorce court. Does he care enough about you and the DC to give this his best effort?

MMmomDD · 25/07/2019 16:29

OP - it’s not that clear from your post how the relationships has been...
You say there hasn’t been much sex over the last couple of years. Do you mean it’s because of porn - or the relationship stagnated somehow?
If sex just dwindled in the last years - say because if little children - it’s usually on both partners. It takes two to get to that point.
And if his ‘porn habit’ is a result of the lack of sex - then it’s a different story.
Or - are you sayjng - you think sex dwindled because he is a porn addict?

Regardless of which way it all is - I don’t think your marriage is dead. I do think you need to openly talk about your issues. And you - specifically - need to try not to be only blaming him. Relationship is a team effort. When it goes stale - it’s rarely only one person’s fault.

LemonFritz · 25/07/2019 17:01

Small children play a part, but I have tried and been rejected. Porn seems more a habit than an addition but only he would know.

This sort of thing is a recurring theme. He sets a boundary, I respect it. I set out boundaries and he shits all over them at his will. Honesty and stopping silent treatment are the main things I have requested.

He has only ever set one for me - he said he was uncomfortable with one of my male friendships who he didn’t trust. I was super respectful. He then started playing football with my ex-male friend a year later that he’d been uncomfortable with. I pointed this out as bizarre and he stopped soon after. It feels like everything is on his terms.

We have had the gaslighting discussion many times. He always blames his immaturity and insists it is the last time. It never is.

He is an amazing father. Cooks the dinner and cleans the kitchen every night. Very very functionally supportive and equal with money. A dream DH in many ways.

OP posts:
LemonFritz · 25/07/2019 17:09

Yes the connection is real. He is my first and only love. I’m not sure o can trust him with my heart though.

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LemonFritz · 25/07/2019 18:57

Also - there’s no point having access to devices. I don’t want to live like that and he is incredibly tech savvy so there’s no point.

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Mermaidsinthesand · 26/07/2019 09:05

MN is too quick to tell everyone to LTB

If you left him sounds like money would be tight and it's the children who will suffer

Is there someway you can sit and discuss these issues with him?

Sometimes these threads destroy children's lives by saying LTB, if this is in the best interests of them for you to stay you'll have to suck it up.

It's no joke being a single parent and whatever happened to working on a marriage?

candycane222 · 26/07/2019 09:18

It doesn't sound as though OPs husband respects her though, or really cares about her. How many more times does she have to set out her perfectly reasonable boundaries for him to shit all over? She's tries and tried again. He does not seem to see the need to make any effort beyond what's needed short-term to end a conversation he finds uncomfortable, and maybe have sex into the bargain and feel good about himself - then its back to selfish disrespect all over again. If the dh doesn't see theres a problem. It ain't going to get solved is it. And some people are simply incapable ever of believing in their hearts that they can possibly do anything wrong, unfortunately.

candycane222 · 26/07/2019 09:19

So yes, the marriage obviously needs work if it to succeed. But mainly work by dh

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