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Scared for my friend - don't know what to do next.

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numerouno · 30/07/2007 13:43

My friend has been in an on/off relationship with a guy for the past few yrs. He has no self-esteem and so has drained her of the small amount she had. He humiliates her in front of friends, promises her things (like moving in together)and then denies everything. He won't let her meet his family, treats her like a whore, has taken her self-confidence, self-respect and her dignity and is extremely manipulative.

I asked her if he'd ever hit her. She said no, but that he'd once pushed her over during an argument and "booted" her. There have been other occasions, but I won't go into too much detail. Up until a year ago it was just mental abuse, but now it's getting more physical.

She says she loves him and knows that the whole relationship is bad for her but can't let him go. When they do break up, he leaves it a week or so before contacting her and then she falls for him again hook, line and sinker.

She used to be fun-loving, not great self-esteem but pretty happy although she has issues the same as everyone. I've known her for nearly 20 years and I am so sad to see her like this. She would never have let anyone treat her like this a few years back. She used to be fairly "high maintenance" and expected a lot from her partners, but now she's like a puppy dog.

I told her to ignore every single text and phone call. She said he'd hound her, but I said "just be strong and don't let him have any inkling of how you are feeling". This may have worked because he doesn't know exactly where she lives, but he can contact her at work and whilst she's on call. As soon as he sees her weaken he won't let go until she's his again. She told me she feels that he doesn't want her, but doesn't want anyone else to have her either.

I don't know what to suggest - I am nearly giving up because I don't see anywhere I can take it. I've showed pity, i've showed anger, disbelief - i've tried everything to make her see sense. I know she needs to get out of this one herself. She has suffered terribly with depression and i'm scared she'll do something stupid one day. She has been close many times.

If she ever came out of this situation alive and got her life back together I know she would be amazed at how she got so low and dependent on such scum. What do I say next? What can I do to convince her she must leave him completely?

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NAB3 · 30/07/2007 13:44

You can't tell anyone to leave their partner. Just be there for her until she sees sense.

numerouno · 30/07/2007 14:00

But (I know it sounds shocking) she might have commited suicide before that - i'm so scared for her.

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VeronicaMars · 30/07/2007 14:02

Ask her what she wants to be doing in five years time. Married? Family? Travel? Whatever she wants can she see it with him? It's really hard to watch someone in this situation and understand how they can keep it going.
I watched a friend going through it and no matter what she couldn't see sense. Her boyfriend was unemployed and just sponged off her, she has a very well paying job and is quite high up in the company she works for but at home she was a different person. It was like she depended on him, for what? I don't know. He was abusive and lied about everything.
I never fell out with her or lost patience with her for being with him. I did not go to their house or see him and he knew and she knew how I felt about him.
She said he was never physically abusive toward her but she admitted afterwards that he was.
He had a one night stand with somenoe and my friend found out and left him, he begged her for 2 months to take him back and at one stage it looked like she might give in but she didn't. She got her self confidence back and she's single now but very happy.

numerouno · 30/07/2007 14:06

What she wants more than anything is a good relationship and children. She knows she won't have this until she breaks this cycle, but she is just so drawn to him. I hate him and have told her so. I have never met him and don't ever want to. She knows this. I would be scared for my children's safety - he is a nasty piece of work.

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numerouno · 30/07/2007 14:08

She admitted she's been trying to get pregnant by him so she could have a piece of him - thank god it hasn't worked, but the fact that she has unprotected sex with him worries me like crazy. He lives his own life until he wants to see her and now I worry that she may have caught HIV or similar.

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VeronicaMars · 30/07/2007 14:14

Is there a chance he is HIV?

numerouno · 30/07/2007 14:18

I don't know, but i believe having unprotected sex with anyone you don't know well is a bad move, let alone if they keep you separate from the rest of their life.

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VeronicaMars · 30/07/2007 14:20

She really needs to get out but she needs to see it herself. Could you suggest a holiday with her maybe?

numerouno · 30/07/2007 14:28

I don't think that would help. She talks non-stop about him everytime I see her. She just goes round and round in circles - tells me everything he's done and said, and then (depending wether or not they have broken up at that point) that she
a) can't live without him, but knows he's no good for her,
b) says she has made the break and hasn't spoken to him in the last few days or
c) says she is back with him

I feel awful saying this but I find her so draining. She can talk non-stop for hours about him. I just nod my head, look shocked, try to make her see sense and then she goes home. It's just impossible.

If I thought a holiday would help, I would mention it, but I'm sure it wouldn't change a thing.

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fruitymum · 30/07/2007 15:07

I think you need a holiday from her!
If you avoid contact for a time she may realise that she could lose you as a friend and this may waken her up to reality.
Has she seen her GP ? She sounds depressed and manipulative. Whats in this ' friendship' for you , apart from a bucketload of grief and worry?

dissle · 30/07/2007 15:23

i was in a similar situation with a friend.

was vvv stressed with it all. (phone calls at 11 at night crying cos he has started with her, can i come round etc etc etc...)

it was way beyond my remit of support, had to hold my hands up and throw in the towel with her.

stopped contact, felt AWFUL and GUILTY but just couldnt do it any more.

still think now 12 months on "what if some thing happens to her" or "what if she hurts/kills herself?" the guilt is horrible.

this is not my responsibility. i gave it back to her to take ownership and to deal with it in the way that she chooses to.

i offered her several avenues of practical help. (womens refuge, ss help, legal help via a solicitor) she chose not to take it up.

these are professional organisations trained to help and deal, she chose not to take any......thus beyond my capability as a friend to do ANYTHING at all.

it was making me ill with worry, i have my own family to think of.

an exceptionally hard decision, best for every one all round though.
good luck.

newlifenewname · 30/07/2007 15:29

She needs to build up her self esteem and look at what she feels she gains from this relationship dynamic. Does it mirror her relationship with her father at all?

You could do some work together on Rational Emotive Behavioural Therapy - that would help break the behvaiour pattern. Just some reading on this might help you channel your conersation effectively if she cannot/will not see a therapist.

mamawhyte · 30/07/2007 21:12

Thanks for that. I think i'll look it up.

To be honest I feel terrible but am reluctant to ring her to "catch up" unless I feel I can give her a whole evening. She also cancels or forgets EVERY time we agree to meet up and rearranges the date. She's filled her life with seeing too many people and taking on too much work, I think to try and stay sane. I feel a responsibility as her friend but I don't think I can give her any more of my time. Like you said dissle, I have my own family to think of.

mamawhyte · 30/07/2007 21:15

Sorry, wrong login - this is numerouno...so tired!!! Kids!

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